Timberwear's Quitting Analogs Experiment Log

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First off, if this is in the wrong forum, please move my thread, thank you.

Objective:
I will be switching from smoking cigarettes, to using e-cig exclusively. I will be posting all of my progress on this thread. I will post the amt of cigs smoked, and the amt of ecig usage everyday, with corresponding nicotine strength in the next reply, and just keep adding to that reply for the log. All of my commentary and thoughts as this happens will be posted in new replies however, so if anyone wants to watch this happen, your going to have to read the entire thread.

Goals:
To find out if there is some alkaloid/MAOI/nicotine I want/need out of smoked tobacco, or to find out if its simply the act of a breathing ritual I can use everyday, multiple times a day. Also, this log will help enlighten people if tobacco (in various forms, but in my experience, smoked) helps in certain forms of depression/anxiety.

Background:
I have been smoking cigarettes for awhile now. Years... can't really say how long. But lets just say 5 years. So, if I was "addicted", then I was. I would generally feel I needed to smoke every hour. Sometimes half-hour. Sometimes I would smoke a couple at a time. First thing when I woke up, I -had- to. The last few months I was smoking a lot of roll-your-own organic american spirit tobacco. In general I would usually smoke either Nat Sherman, or American Spirit. Generally 10-15 a day. Thats a good estimate.

My addiction level:
First off I am not sure if I was addicted to Maoi's, alkaloids, nicotine, something in the smoke, or the simple act of breathing. That is the purpose of my Log.

When I smoked I did feel some sort of "relief"... I seemed to feel some relief of withdrawal, relief of -something-. Not sure what... but it seemed to definitely be there.

But it was like I needed to smoke, plain and simple. At work I would think about the timing of my next smoke break. I thought tobacco helped me function, helped me work better, etc etc... I was -never- out of tobacco, ever. There were no gaps in my smoking, for a very long time. Not even gaps of 4 hours.

Recent background of quitting:

About a month or more ago I tried quitting cigarettes. Here is what I remember. I didn't know what to do with myself. I craved cigarettes, sometimes very strongly. I started eating a lot more. Overtime, food started tasting better.

I seemed to not be able to deal with things as well. More anger. I would sleep a LOT. That was the first week mainly. I suppose I felt more tired. However I never really quit. I think there might have been one day I didn't smoke at all. But basically I got down to half-cigarette a day for a few days to a week. Can't really remember. But I kept up the half cigarette probably for a week and a half. Then for another few weeks was at either a half cig or 2 or 3 cigs per day.

About 3 weeks ago I started exercising, and have kept up that habit. That seemed to help me a lot.

It seems the last couple of weeks I was really struggling. I started noticing a depression that seemed to just grow and grow. (I have a history of depression, as I've written about in my other thread, and it was the same symptoms coming on). That was what led me to heavily researching this board, finally getting an ecig (got it yesterday), etc etc...

I was still bent on quitting cigs but decided to smoke a bit more. So for a week smoked 2-3 a day steady. Then started smoking 4 in a row and not smoking for 24 hours. Then recently I smoked 10 camel crushes in a row one morning (felt really kinda crappy from that). Today I smoked 6 cigarettes in a half-hour in the morning, and probably already 5 since then... So basically the jist of this, is that I didn't want the depression to get worse...so I've basically just kept smoking more and more. That seems to be what has happened the last few weeks. This is all hard to remember since I didn't log it.

Since I've upped my cigarette intake, the depression has basically vanished. It was getting bad for awhile there... thoughts of suicide, not wanting to live, everything was grey...etc etc... not all the time, but I noticed over the weeks the thoughts seemed to start increasing and my overall outlook on life was just getting greyer and greyer. Like I said I've dealt with depression for lets say, 10-15 years. I'm 29 right now. Many of those years I would feel the worst depression sometimes every second of everyday for years and years on end.

Basically I feel that 8 years ago when I started smoking tobacco I have not dealt with these symptoms. This could be explained by the MAOI's/alkaloids in tobacco smoke, or the simple act of developing a meditative smoking ritual to deal with life, or the nicotine. I don't know, and again, that is the purpose of this Log.

If depression comes back moving to vaping, I will know there is something in smoked tobacco, or tobacco alone.

I will start my log on the next reply.
 
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Usage Log:

Sunday, 8-8 (1 am):
Smoked 6 camel crushes in morning. Vaped medium strength totally wicked carts for total of 30 minutes (added up). Smoked 8 parliament's over the course of the evening. Will vape the rest of the time for this experiment because I'm throwing away all the tobacco I have, including the cooked and soaked tobacco I made.

Sunday 8-8 (8 pm):
Today I have only vaped so far. Medium strength or I think later was zero strength. I don't notice any effect from vaping at all. Tonight I smoked 3 nat sherman cigarettes. I bought a can of Camel snus and tried one. Now that I switched to direct inhale of ecig, I have smoked 3 sessions of the ecig the rest of the night. Smoking 4 or 5 direct inhale nice long hits, and then I'm done. It feels just like a cigarette to me now. No more constant vaping for 30 minutes at a time not feeling anything because I wasn't direct inhaling.

Monday 8-9:
Smoked probably 6 nat sherman cigs. Trying to finish my pack. Vaped 3-4 direct inhale pulls off ecig.
 
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So far, since I have upped my cigarette intake the last week, symptoms of depression seemed to have vanished. I don't feel depressed anymore, don't really have anxiety. Don't feel a lot of anger. So I'm at a good starting point right now. Also since I just recently started upping my cigarettes, I hope I'm not getting too in the abyss of addiction to MAOI's/alkaloids/nicotine. So hopefully I won't have days where I can't function once I move to vaping. However, if "addiction" to tobacco keeps depression at bay, I will not feel bad about smoking it, although I will try other alternative also (if vaping doesn't work).

I got my totally wicked ecig yesterday. I have not been able to feel anything when I vape it. So the 0 mg nicotine seemed the same as the HIGH strength and the MEDIUM strength.

Also I'm not really feeling much of anything when I smoke cigs either, other than the fact that I simply want to sometimes. So not sure what is going on there either anymore. I don't fear that smoking the rest of the parliament pack will put me too far behind if there is any "withdrawal" to be had. Whatever.

I'm somewhat optimistic that I simply love the breathing ritual and find it calming to myself. And optimistic that the simple breathing rituals somehow keep me more centered and calm, and overtime leads me to interact with my reality in a way that keeps depression/anxiety/anger at bay. This may be way over optimistic, as there is science about antidepressant effects of the various things in tobacco, but we'll see. I will need to be ordering more cartridges or liquids. I do not know how to add e-liquid to my cartridges. Tomorrow I'll probably have to order some vegetable glycerin online as well as some e-juice of varying strength from Totally Wicked in order to keep up with this experiment.

UPDATE: After smoking a few parliaments... nothing really even happened. I have a few theories.

1) A set point is reached in your brain when you smoke. If you normally smoke 1 cig a day and are fine with that... then smoking the second one won't do much for you... until you keep smoking 2 for awhile... then suddenly you will seem to need 2 everyday.

Because I smoked a lot of cigarettes today and just didn't really feel much from them.

2) Maybe everything we think about cigarettes does not matter. Maybe its all placebo. Maybe what we put into each cigarette we get out of it. If we believe its stimulating, its stimulating. To be determined.

Either way, I'm actually composting all of the rest of the Parliament pack, the soaked tobacco, and the cooked tobacco. I will start vaping exclusively now.

I've started reading a book called the holographic universe...and I'm going back to praying a lot more. I'm not religious, but definitely believe in something OUT THERE. or that things are not exactly what we see, or scientifically see.
 
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Sunday 8-8, 8 PM:

Last night I did not have any dreams at all. I didn't sleep as deep as the last two nights. I think because I went from having zero regular cigs the last 2 days, to 13 or something yesterday.

Today I have only been vaping. Here is what I notice. I had to take a nap earlier.. it was a nice nap. I was tired for some reason, although not overwhelmingly. In spite of drinking coffee today.

I noticed a sort of verociousness coming back to me now.. I akin it to a wild animal (tiger) I have inside of me... I noticed this before in the last month when trying to quit smoking. It really comes out when I exercise. This is only the first day and its already starting to appear.

I caught myself doing things like slamming my hand against the wall, yelling... my anger wasn't very strong, but something is starting to appear. I also notice this sensation coming back to me that life is boring... and its already starting to feel grey a bit. Especially right now from waking up from a nap.

The vaping has been cool I guess. I mean, it does seem to replace a cigarette on some levels. If I want a cigarette, I can vape...and just keep vaping until I seem to not want a cigarette anymore. But the craving to have a cigarette has happened to me at least 5 times today.

There is something to the magic of burning a leaf and ingesting that leaf into your body from fire. I get that satisfaction from "eating" tobacco through my lungs. I guess I get that somewhat with the vaping too. But in some ways vaping seems more chemical/pharmaceutical and less magic/whole-herb.

What most concerns me already is the feelings of anger starting to slowly bubble up and this general BLAH feeling I'm having right now. I know if I had a cigarette this would go away. In fact, I would probably go to the store and buy some nat shermans and smoke two. But yeah, I won't.
 
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Okay I'm redoing my post.

I bought a can of Camel Snus at the store. Along with a pack of nat shermans :( :) .

I did a snus for 20 minutes... didn't do much? So I smoked 3 nat shermans.

I'm planning on just using the camel snus tomorrow and my ecig just for smoking purposes, and see where this leads me. I also bought 2 cans of general snus on northernern.com.

I just wonder if the snus will get me what I need...maoi's/alkaloids... to stay away from cigs because I don't think the ecig works for me in that regard. We shall see. I would definitely like to get away from smoking cigs if possible.

The reason I bought the cigs and stuff was because I started just feeling off... like sorta BLAH and grey again. If the snus works (i'll probably start popping two of the camels in at once)...then awesome!
 
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Well tonight I haven't smoked more analogs or snus... but i read a tip on the forum here about direct inhaling the vapor. And I tried it, and I think I can feel the nicotine now.

When I smoke a cig, I always draw it into my mouth, let it warm/humidify, then inhale. so i was doing this with the ecig too, and never felt anything.

But I'm thinking is it possible that if you do this with vapor, the nicotine just sticks to your mouth and doesn't really absorb well... ?

this could all be placebo though. idk yet.

Edit: almost 4 AM. i think i got this direct inhale thing down. I just press the button for 1 second maybe less, and at the same time drag very nice and smooth all the way into my lungs. I keep dragging for 5 seconds even though the button has been released... after 5 seconds I let out a nice plume of smoke. I do 4 or 5 hits this way, and I'm basically done. Now its starting to feel like a normal cigarette to me. Before doing this direct inhale, i could vape non stop for 30 minutes and not feel anything.

In fact just a minute ago I went outside to have a regular cig and after a few puffs the whole thing seemed ridiculous to me. so i got my ecig and enjoyed the direct inhale very nicely, just like i was taking hits off a cig... and after 5 of those hits i was satisfied and put it down.

I think I could make this thing work like a regular cig with direct inhale, and my battery should last me all day and a cart all day, or maybe even two days.

I kinda enjoy this pure nicotine high actually... although some of me thinks I could be in placebo land, more testing to come.
 
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Monday:
I am just finishing my nat sherman pack. Already smoked 6 or 7...can't really remember. I might just vape a bit tonight but more smoking most likely.

So far, no depression (of course I'm smoking so i didn't expect that). Had some minor relationship/emotional things going on... noticed after smoking a few cigs before work I seemed to work at a more frenzied pace. Okay, but I kinda liked not being on cigs sometimes...other than depression feelings over time... because I didn't always have to feel so stimulated and seemed to be able to relax easier.

I don't want to get to the point where I never feel relaxed, either with cigs or ecig. Like I always have to push myself... but oh well... I guess I can always take breaks from vaping/smoking if I want. I am anxious to finish my pack and move over to purely vaping but not going to push it.
 

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Seems you can only edit a post 4 or 5 times ???

Its Tuesday 3 AM. I have finished my pack of nat shermans. I probably smoked 12 of those today. Gave the 3 remaining to my friend who smokes like a chimney and has a craaaazyyy couch. but he wants to buy an ecig now.

so now its just vaping for me! direct inhale... i'm hoping the best!!!! tomorrow morning should be interesting...
 

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    Hang in there and get extra supplies, if you can. What worked for me was to fight the urge to buy another pack of cigs. It was scary at first and I vaped non stop but after the first day or so, it wasn't hard at all. The good news is that after 7 months, I rarely have a craving, yippee.
     
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