Time for me to annoy you guys in another way

[Ryle]

I've been reading the threads bout making your own juice and I was wondering if the boiling the tobacco thing works with menthols? My dad is a mad menthol addict and refuses to smoke anything else. Everything I've seen so far suggests that menthol e-cigs aren't really the same. Would using the boiling method TB talks about work with menthol? Like enough to please the rabid menthol-aholic I call dad? LOL really want to convert him to e-smoking. He's been smoking like 30 years now it's got to be doing damage by now and much as we fight I'd really hate for him to kick over (besides if he keels over from smokin then I'd have reason to feel guilty for not listening when he told me not to haha)

 

[TropicalBob]

I'm sorry to say I haven't tried menthol. But early on, in researching how to do this, I read NOT to boil the tobacco. So I never do that. I simmer it. Big difference here. Never bring your mixture to a boil. Remember we're after extracting flavor, not cooking the tobacco.

I'm pretty sure you won't get a menthol "hit" with cooked liquid from menthol-flavored tobacco. Menthol is an addictive not found in tobacco and will likely evaporate away in the cooking process. Frankly, I've never liked any menthol smoke, so I haven't tried to duplicate it with home brew. If I were going to try, I'd choose an extract to add to the final liquid.

I also should add that e-cigs aren't magic for everyone when it comes to quitting tobacco cigarettes. Many people will still need a strong desire to quit in order to stay away from real cigs. I know I still struggle with wanting a real cig after 13 months. I'm getting nicotine -- but something really important is missing. E-smoking is only a partial answer, as is everything else used as a quitting aid.

 

[Ryle]

Its worth a try.. I just know he wont even try anything unless its menthol.. he did real good on the gum thing a few years back but decided he didnt like the taste of em so opted to go back to smoking. I think if i could produce a satisfactory menthol for him then he'd probably convert for the shear fact that he doesn't like having to go outside to smoke (we cant smoke in our home) I guess I'll just have to experiment with it when my E-cig gets here.. from what I've read i know I should avoid oils because they can mess up the att though im not sure exactally how or why i dont care to test it to figure it out since people seem to agree oil = no no ... if anyone has any advise id be happy to hear it otherwise i suppose ill just play chemist once I get my ecig

 

[katink]

I think Bickford has two peppermint flavors; one with oil, and one with PG...

 

[Janet]

I tried the peppermint extract from Bickford, undiluted, and it was just OK. The only thing I've found close to that cool menthol kick is E-Puffer mint cartridges. They also sell e-liquid, but they are kind of expensive. Check them out though, it might be worth it.

 

[jigtg]

You can get pure menthol crystals quite easily and cheap. 20 grams of menthol crystals is enough for more than 4 liters of e-juice assuming recipe 2 of E-cigarette - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia . Getting that concentration with reasonable accuracy without having to make loads of liquid is the tricky part. I would probably dilute some menthol to whatever it is solulable to. Make sure it actually dilutes to whatever liquid you might be using or you will get uneven distribution of menthol in your liquid. That is likely result in a nasty surprice. Menthol isn't very toxic but I would assume that surprice to include vomiting etc. Get that mixture to about 2-5% and add small amounts to e-liquid using a "precission" pipette such as mentioned in http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-tobacco-nicotine-flavor-without-tobacco.html . Menthol isn't very soluble in water. You would probably have to use alcohol. Be sure to wear eye protection and wash gloves etc. that might of made contact with concentrated menthol(liquid or not).

I'm not very keen on menthol but might try it later.

 

[Distahs]

One of my past posts got me thinking about this. The Camel Crush cigarettes have a small capsule in them that when crushed it releases the menthol liquid into the filter. It then is vaporized buy the passing smoke through the filter. Hmmm....? I wonder if anyone can narrow down that recipe because it's that same concept but already 100% working and in the right dose.

 

[Ryle]

One of my past posts got me thinking about this. The Camel Crush cigarettes have a small capsule in them that when crushed it releases the menthol liquid into the filter. It then is vaporized buy the passing smoke through the filter. Hmmm....? I wonder if anyone can narrow down that recipe because it's that same concept but already 100% working and in the right dose.

Yea i made the mistake of taking the liquid out of that little bead and putting it in my cartridge... that got thrown away.. probably the nastiest taste if had in a very long time.

 

[Distahs]

Good to know because i would of been the next person with that bad experience.

 

[Ryle]

lol yea I'm wishing someone else would have done it before me. I think ill cringe about that experience for years. I have thought about putting some cotton in the back end of the mouthpiece where there's that empty space and crushing the little bead in that.. sort of the same effect as how it works in the camel crush itself. I'd think that would work but I only had the one bead to play with as I bummed it off someone I was showing my ecig to as a sort of spur of the moment idea

 

[jigtg]

Tried menthol crystals and found out that menthol doesn't really have a taste at all. It has odor and it stimulates cold reseptors in mouth but thats all. I really couldn't smell it when puffing. I like the odor though. Just one crystal to boiling water is enough.

 

[Denni]

Somebody has posted a review of Johnson's Creek smokejuice flavour and said that their arctic mint is a strong, fresh hit, but I haven't tried it myself yet (still waiting for sample packs in the UK).

 

[Ruby]

I know I still struggle with wanting a real cig after 13 months. I'm getting nicotine -- but something really important is missing. E-smoking is only a partial answer, as is everything else used as a quitting aid.

I don't understand it either. I'm only a foetus e-smoker (1 day) and still use ordinary cigs (just a heck of a lot less of them). The thing is I am missing something from them both. Everytime I think I'll have a real cig I get the first puff in and think why bother - it is not much different from the e-cigs. It is actually vile tasting. Both have the missing factor. Maybe for me, that is taste related. I want something inhalable that tastes 'real' not like plasticky or synthetic. I want something completely delicious.

Has anyone found or made a juice that is so delicious they can't believe their luck or doesn't it matter much to you?

 

[Kate]

I tried a diy mix recently with LorAnn candy flavouring pralines and cream. It was absolutely wonderful. I've gradually gone off tobacco flavours and like the taste of food flavours better.

 

[Ruby]

Kate I think I am going to follow in your footsteps by going more with food than tobacco flavours. It's the praline & cream description that dunnit, sounds very moreish.

 

[leaford]

I was looking at LorAnn's flavors. I like that they are concentrated, so you don't have to totally dilute the nicotine level. ANd I am tempted by the Bubblegum and Cotton Candy flavors. If I can get my sweet tooth satisfied without actual candy or snacks, well e-cigs will be helping my health in 2 ways.

 

[jigtg]

Candy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Tried homemade caramel myself and wasn't impressed. Maybe replacing water with something else would help.

 

[Kate]

I use vegetable glycerine, sometimes a little distilled water, LorAnn flavouring and some ready made eliquid for the nicotine.

There is no sugar, colouring or oils in the flavours I use, be sure to check the ingredients of the ones you want. The only disappointment so far is that the coconut flavour is a bit weak, it smells nice but doesn't have much flavour. Pralines and cream is lovely. I've only tried a few so far so I can't rate them all.

 

[jigtg]

One thing I found out about menthol is that it reduces throat hit and irritation in general. So adding it to e-liquid might increase risk of nic overdose and might hide PG allergy etc.

According to JECFA Evaluations-MENTHOL-MENTHOL Acceptable Daily Intake for menthol is 60*4 = 240mg, for a 60kg person, so maximum concentration in e-liquid would be 0.24mg/(0.1ml*20) = 0.12000 = 12%. 0.1ml per cig and 20 cigs per day. Little error here as menthol density isn't 1.0 but 0.890. I would further divide that with 8 since there might be other menthol sources in food etc. So 1.5% or less. My personal opinion is that there is no need to add more than 0.5-1.0% since higher doses feel just the same.

 

[jigtg]

I found diluting menthol to be little tricky. It just floats on top of 40% alcohol at room temperature. At first, room temperature menthol-alcohol mix looks like soda water being misty and all. I actually got little confused about this at first. What the hell is going on here, did some chemical reaction take place or what?
So what I did was heat a test tube with menthol and alcohol in hot water and it turned into clear liquid. It takes a bit of time but after repeating the heating and cooling process a few times it should look like clear liquid in room temperature. And this is when I think this dillution operation is fully completed.