Tobacco (and other) Extracts vs "Flavors"

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Nah, life is too short to get mad, haha. I'm just passionate about e-cigs, so I would imagine that my opinions about them come across as passionate as well. I'm pretty sure some of the people debating me are getting rather upset though, try as I may to keep things civil. 8) In the end, I have found a lot of great mods, great toys, and lots of usefull information from ECF. Great place to hang out and vape.

I've been avoiding posting so I don't give too nasty of a response. Passionate is fine, but just please know what you are talking about or don't comment on things like what USP means. People having opinions are fine, but when it is pointed out that their opinions have no facts to be based upon, they have no room to get mad.

I think you need to get a little perspective with regards to your rant on vendors "mixing in their garage". Do you eat at McDonalds or similar places? Their ingredients are held to certain standards but then you put yourself in the hands of their employees after that. As a whole, I trust the ejuice industry a heck of a lot more than the fast food industry in how the product is handled.
 

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Maybe this will help clarify a few things About flavours.

I love the taste of cinnamon but real cinnamon toothpicks burnt and caused swelling on the inside of my lip. That experience made me wary about inhaling cinnamon into my lungs so I was hoping cinnamon flavour was made synthetically. Having looked up the above link I'm none the wiser to be honest. I suppose it could have been something else in the wood toothpick other than the flavour that caused the swelling but if it was to do with the flavour then presumably the same synthetic chemicals could damage my lungs .

Yes, thanks. That helps. Thanks much. I feel a bit better about it.

One should read the entire article, in particular the part that says they have to use many of the same chemicals, but to quote a specific part:

So is there truly a difference between natural and synthetic flavorings? Yes. synthetic flavorings are simpler in composition and potentially safer because only safety-tested components are utilized.

That, of course, is not to say I think all these flavors/chemicals have been tested for vaping. Still, that quote is encouraging. It (synthetic flavoring) is more within my personal comfort zone than the alternative, even if the flavor isn't "spot on". That's OK with me. The thing is... people selected these chemicals with good intentions and with the understanding that they will be consumed by people (OK, it's vaped and not ingested... a big difference I assume, but still better odds).

I guess, for me, it's still a crap-shoot, but favors vaping being better than chew/snus/smoking, and synthetic tobacco flavor being likely to have fewer (if any) "nasties" than TA type extracts (if they even have them). I guess I have to trust the flavor makers mixing the stuff to use their best judgement, and hope for the best.

I'm glad I can still have a tobacco flavored vape, mix my custom RY4ish, and enjoy it, hoping that it turns out to be safe once we get some decent testing methods in place (and 20 years of data...lol).

This is my personal feeling and should not be an endorsement nor condemnation of any particular flavoring (because we don't know enough). No warranties, express or implied with this discussion. All disclaimers in full effect, and any others that I may need to invent. This discussion is for entertainment purposes only, and does not reflect the views of ECF or any of it's member companies, the management, nor the current administration :D
 
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TSNAs aren't produced by burning, but by curing primarily. They are present in smokeless tobacco products as well, often in tremendous amounts. Tobaak in SE asia is responsible for 50% of their oral cancers. TSNAs are potently carcinogenic in tiny amounts, even in micrograms.

I'd love to know about these possible nasties in my otherwise pristine e-juice.
 
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