I haven't seen this posted yet. I think it is a fairly new site. I've been browsing through it, although not all of the links work yet. Take a look.
TobaccoControl Tactics
TobaccoControl Tactics
Tobacco Control Tactics- fascinating reading
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Much of it seems to be about second hand smoke or ETS, a section that might be of more interest to us here is on reduced risk Reduced Risk - TobaccoControl Tactics
Very Interesting ...
I've wondered for a long time if and when there would be a serious push-back
against the Nanny State regarding smoking as well as Harm Reduction.
I hate the stigma of ...
Quit or Die ... You're nothing but a dirty smoker.
I've wondered for a long time if and when there would be a serious push-back
against the Nanny State regarding smoking as well as Harm Reduction.
I hate the stigma of ...
Quit or Die ... You're nothing but a dirty smoker.
Thank you so much for this. Just a quick scan following the money trail, it appears BP rather than BT are the ones truly after us.
I mentioned on here before about an ethics professor I had back in grad school. He used to work for Phillip Morris (or maybe RJ Reynolds). He brought something like an ecig to class one day. I don't remember the brand name of it. I remember him saying this is what he had worked on in the tobacco industry. He demonstrated it, and told us it emitted mostly vapor. He said it never went anywhere because of the enormous amounts of red tape the company would have had to go through to get it to market, prove it was reduced harm, etc... This would have been about 2001-2002.
It makes me wonder what other products tobacco companies have worked on and never been able to carry through. I know there were several cigarette type devices that heated tobacco rather than burning it, but they didn't fly with consumers. I think this product he was working on was different. Anyway, he left the company after that because his goal was to reduce harm from smoking and it was clear that there were too many barriers in the way.
I hope I am remembering that all correctly. It was quite a while ago.
It makes me wonder what other products tobacco companies have worked on and never been able to carry through. I know there were several cigarette type devices that heated tobacco rather than burning it, but they didn't fly with consumers. I think this product he was working on was different. Anyway, he left the company after that because his goal was to reduce harm from smoking and it was clear that there were too many barriers in the way.
I hope I am remembering that all correctly. It was quite a while ago.
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Except at the bottom of the webpage it states
Basically, this website was established by a right-to-smoke activist who misrepresents the scientific and empirical evidence about the hazards of inhaling tobacco smoke pollution everyday.
While many tobacco control activists and organizations have lied about many things, right-to-smoking activists have lied about the hazards of inhaling tobacco smoke everyday for decades.
and
Except at the bottom of the webpage it states
Basically, this website was established by a right-to-smoke activist who misrepresents the scientific and empirical evidence about the hazards of inhaling tobacco smoke pollution everyday.
While many tobacco control activists and organizations have lied about many things, right-to-smoking activists have lied about the hazards of inhaling tobacco smoke everyday for decades.
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Ah well. Never mind then. The reduced risk section was what I spent the most time looking at. I skimmed the quotes from other scientists and found them interesting, but I know that quotes can be taken out of context. I don't know much about the science of second hand smoke at all, so I'd have to do a lot of reading to be able to gauge where I stand on that issue.
But, from reading all the lies about ecigs and smokeless tobacco, I have to say that it makes me more skeptical of any claim anti tobacco people make any more. And I guess that's one of the dangers of going too far with ideology.
But, from reading all the lies about ecigs and smokeless tobacco, I have to say that it makes me more skeptical of any claim anti tobacco people make any more. And I guess that's one of the dangers of going too far with ideology.
I still appreciate it Spazmelda. I've wanted to know the ANTZ history ever since seeing one of its spearheads (probably the main one..the white-headed "doctor") on ... geez names escape me today... the Libertarian's show on Fox News Channel.
Edit: LOL Stossel... thought of it just as I hit "send."
Edit: LOL Stossel... thought of it just as I hit "send."
Frankly, nothing on the reduced risk page struck me as really out there (not like weird tin foil hat stuff). It seemed pretty much like stuff I've read elsewhere in bits and pieces.
I definitely did not notice that it was started in 2012 though.
I'm fairly liberal, so I don't watch fox that much, but I do like John Stossel for the most part. Sometimes I don't agree with him, but at least he digs into stuff.
I definitely did not notice that it was started in 2012 though.
I'm fairly liberal, so I don't watch fox that much, but I do like John Stossel for the most part. Sometimes I don't agree with him, but at least he digs into stuff.
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