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pkilbourn

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I have just browsed the new members forum and am feel totally stupid not knowing the lingo - juice, cart, etc. I'm a 73 year old female who has smoked for 59 years. I've had one lobectomy, one partial lobectomy due to lung cancer and a two by-pass surgery just last year. Last weeks CT scan shows a new mass in one lung. I've tried everything to stop smoking for years - bottom line is I didn't try hard enough. Now it's a health issue and a financial issue and am at the point where I can't afford cigarettes on my fixed income. I'm intrigued with the ecigarette concept and want to order a starter kit but have no idea which would be best for me and easiest to use (good directions) for the fading senior mind.

I'd appreciate any advice you can give.

I live in Connecticut.

It appears that there are no retail distributors in the US, if I'm understanding what I read correctly. How long does it take to ship once an order is placed?

Thanks in advance.
 

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If you're looking for lots of vapor and a good quality and consistent throat hit, like a lot of us, the e-cig models that have a manual switch are a good choice.

The importance of the manual switch is that it heats the atomizer portion of the e-cig to a higher temp which gives you warmer vapor, lots of vapor, and a good quality throat hit. Another important feature of the manual switch is that it does not have a short cut off or time out to the drag.

For someone new to e-cigs, I would recommend the 510 e-cig model. It's a manual switch e-cig that is reliable, durable, and does what an e-cig is suppose to do.

510 model e-cigs
USA Suppliers
Joye 510 ( e-Smokey Treats - Electronic Cigarette's, The healthy alternative to traditional tobacco cigarette's )
Dura-C ( Janty USA )
Yeti ( AltSmoke - Electronic Cigarettes, DSE901, The Yeti & More. )

UK Supplier
Dura-C ( iVapour | Electronic Cigarettes | Janty Stick ? Janty Kissbox ? Janty Dura-C ? Janty Mini Fogger ? Janty E-Liquid & Cartridges )

China Supplier
Eastmall 510 ( 510 Manual Switch Starter Kit - Black - e-Cigs Manual Switch 510 - Eastmall International Co.,Ltd )

You may also want to include a 510 passthrough with your order. The passthrough is identical to a standard 510 rechargeable battery except that the end portion is wired to a standard USB connector. You simply plug the USB connector into a USB port or portable power pack and can vape all day long without having to change or charge batteries.

The e-liquid you buy will also play an important part in satisfying your nicotine cravings and also in providing a good throat hit. The higher you go in nicotine strength, the better the throat hit. 36 mg nicotine (the highest strength right now) does give a nice throat hit but made me sick and gave me headaches. I smoked 2-3 packs of ciggies per day for several years - so just because you smoked a lot doesn't mean that the higher nicotine is right for you.

For the first 2 months of vaping I used 18 mg (high) nicotine strength and was quite happy with that. I am currently now using 12 mg (medium) nicotine strength and still feel satisfied.

For a first purchase of e-liquid, I would recommend you buy the flavor or flavors you think will best suit your needs. You'll find the right strength for you. There are a lot of suppliers that have good liquid so the field is open there. Wherever you place your e-cig order you will also be able to buy e-liquid.

Finding the right e-cig model and the e-liquid flavor and nic strength that suits you is what is going to make you a successful e-smoker.

If you haven't done so already, your next step is to view these helpful videos:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...2-new-updated-comprehensive-intro-vaping.html

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/new-members-forum/2562-helpful-links-videos-new-user.html

Hope this helps - Good Luck
 

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I have just browsed the new members forum and am feel totally stupid not knowing the lingo - juice, cart, etc. I'm a 73 year old female who has smoked for 59 years. I've had one lobectomy, one partial lobectomy due to lung cancer and a two by-pass surgery just last year. Last weeks CT scan shows a new mass in one lung. I've tried everything to stop smoking for years - bottom line is I didn't try hard enough. Now it's a health issue and a financial issue and am at the point where I can't afford cigarettes on my fixed income. I'm intrigued with the ecigarette concept and want to order a starter kit but have no idea which would be best for me and easiest to use (good directions) for the fading senior mind.

I'd appreciate any advice you can give.

I live in Connecticut.

It appears that there are no retail distributors in the US, if I'm understanding what I read correctly. How long does it take to ship once an order is placed?

Thanks in advance.
I think you will find that e-cigarettes is not a cheap route, but, I feel it is much healthier than analogs.

If you place orders from China you will save money, especially if you order everything you need to keep you busy for a good deal of time.

I have tried the RN 4081 and the DSE 901. I have found that the RN 4081 is the sturdiest model between the two. The 901 has an easier draw and it is easier to reload juice, but it is very temperamental. The RN 4081 has given me very little problems and gets the job done.

I hope this helps!!
 

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Sorry about all of your troubles. PV's (personal vaporizers) do have a slight learning curve. A general rule of thumb is the more it looks like an analog (cigarette) the poorer the performance. But for some the appearance of the PV is a higher priority than performance. Here is a summary of my journey into "vaping". Some of it may be helpful. Take what is and throw out what isn't. I hope things get better for you.

I read this forum and looked at older forum threads for two weeks before I purchased my first PV (personal vaporizer).

My first PV was a blue DSE901 from Phil at e-Smokey Treats - Electronic Cigarette's, The healthy alternative to traditional tobacco cigarette's. Like all suppliers, the kit comes with two batteries and a charger. Phil does provide two atomizers instead of just one. The battery will last about 2-3 hours before needing recharged although some users reported getting 4-5 hours but that has not been my experience. His 901 starter kit is $59.95 where some other suppliers will sell them for $49.95 but without the extra atomizer. I would consider the DSE901 a good first purchase and it is about the size of a regular 100 cigarette. (If you purchase from Phil at e-smokey-treats.com, when it asks for a coupon code, use esmoking101 and you should get 10% off.) The DSE901 now comes with a manual battery option and a manual pass-through option. A pass through is a device that you can use instead of batteries, plug into your computer USB port or a USB adapter and vape without needing to change a battery. I strongly recommend getting the manual battery over the auto switch battery.

Many users like the classic penstyle 801 model which has a larger atomizer and cart and a typical battery charge life of about 4 hours. The draw is lighter, more like a straw (to me) due to having 4 holes in the atomizer and the bigger cart. The 801 is larger and looks more like a big pen instead of regular cigarette. You can also purchase a USB pass-through for both the 901 and 801, which allows you to plug into a usb port on your computer or wall socket adapter and not have to worry about changing batteries. You can then purchase a portable battery pack for the usb pass-through such as this one from Kennsington (Kensington - Portable Power Pack for Select Mobile Devices - Black - K38021) and make your usb power portable. Make sure the power pack is at least 1000mAh power output.

Most users want an PV to provide the “throat hit” that is most like a real cigarette (analog as we call them) as well as long battery life. Many members have stated that one of the best ways to get consistent throat hit is to get a manual switch PV that allows you to push a button and heat up the atomizer more before you inhale. One that does that well is the screwdriver (SD) from trog at: - The ScrewDriver - An electronic cigarette that simply works. (Totally Wicked, USA is now also selling the screwdriver: Contact Totally Wicked E Liquid USA) It is more expensive but it provides long battery life (7-8 hours) and consistent throat hit. Plus replacement batteries cost $2-$3 instead of $15-$20 on the auto switch devices like the 901 and 801 and the manual switch 510/Dura-C and can be bought anywhere unlike the auto switch batteries or 510’s. There is also now a US manufacturer of a PV with a manual switch and big battery, the Prodigy from PureSmoker.com - Your #1 Source For PV's, Parts, & Accessories!. And Steve is providing a 6 month warranty on the Prodigy and puresmoker is well supported by forum members.

Most members recommend that you use e-liquid or e-juice to refill your carts instead of use the prefilled cartridges that come with the starter kits. Plus it is more cost effective. My recommendation (others will differ on this) is to get a little higher nicotine (nic) strength because you can always dilute it with USP glycerin that you can get at a drug store for $5 or $6 if you find it is too strong. I use 24mg nic strength. The highest is 36mg and there is also 18, 11, 6 and 0. There are many different flavors to choose from. My favorite tobacco flavor is Kent from www.eastmall.net - Eastmall International Co.,Ltd or Rocky Mountain Vapor you have reached the mountain top of electronic cigarettes! : Home
It has a smooth but definite tobacco flavor to me. Others like the stronger flavors such as Camel. You can also reduce the strength over time.

Hope this helps and good luck.

PS: the smallest bottle of liquid is 10ml and usually costs $9.99. In general (everyone is different) you should get any where from 5-14 days out of that size bottle. In addition, you can wash out the fabric in the pre-filled cartridges and reuse them. The fabric is simply polyester batting which you can get enough for a year's worth for about $5 from Wal-Mart.

One supplier for liquid that has great prices is: RUYAN Brown e-cigar with 25pc Cartridges - RUYAN e-cigar kit - Heaven-gifts.com Ruyandirect.com Best E-smoking Shop

They are in China and so after ordering, it usually takes 8-9 days to reach your door.
 

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I have just browsed the new members forum and am feel totally stupid not knowing the lingo - juice, cart, etc. I'm a 73 year old female who has smoked for 59 years. I've had one lobectomy, one partial lobectomy due to lung cancer and a two by-pass surgery just last year. Last weeks CT scan shows a new mass in one lung. I've tried everything to stop smoking for years - bottom line is I didn't try hard enough. Now it's a health issue and a financial issue and am at the point where I can't afford cigarettes on my fixed income. I'm intrigued with the ecigarette concept and want to order a starter kit but have no idea which would be best for me and easiest to use (good directions) for the fading senior mind.

I'd appreciate any advice you can give.

I live in Connecticut.

It appears that there are no retail distributors in the US, if I'm understanding what I read correctly. How long does it take to ship once an order is placed?

Thanks in advance.

First off, I would speak with your doctor regarding anything you plan to introduce into your body. You have been through quite a bit and I know how much you want to kick the habit but we also don't want to exacerbate the situation either.

People here are friendly and readily available to recommend suppliers and models but these are all subjective. I think quite alot of us like the 510 model which goes under many names listed in a post above this. It's easy to use, easy to refill the cartridges as well. You may want to look at Spikey's e-cig intro video ( Viddler.com - - Uploaded by Spikey47 ) as well, this will familiarize yourself with all the terms and what you will be getting into if you decide to purchase one after speaking with your doctor.
 
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All good information from veteran users who know what they're talking about, but ...

Way too much information!

Pkilbourn, start with the Ruyan Jazz. This is a use-it-and-toss-it, disposable e-cigarette. You don't need to buy liquid or more cartridges or futz with it non-stop the way many of us here do (we are WORSE than pipe smokers in that regard).

The Ruyan Jazz will let you test whether you like e-smoking or not. It will cost you about $25 -- and I can buy it at my local tobacco store. It will last you up to a week, depending on how much you suck on it. When it's used up, throw it away and buy another.

If you find you really like e-smoking, then come back and read the excellent suggestions for refillable, rechargable e-cigarettes here. But start with them? Forget it.
 

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First , congrats on your decision to explore using e-cigarettes (or "PV"--personal vaporizers, as some of us refer to them).

I'm going to recommend the 510 model. There are several pluses to this model. First, its size is such that it feels vaguely cigarette-like in its shape. Many folks feel more comfortable, at least at first, sucking on something that kind of resembles a cigarette or a pen. Second, it provides a good, strong hit so you feel like you're inhaling something of substance into your lungs. Third, the price point is under $60 to get a starter kit (charger, two batteries, two atomizers). Fourth, the manual battery allows you to control the vaping experience a bit more, and you eliminate the need for primer puffs and such that you have with an automatic battery. Fifth, the manual batteries are sealed, which means that you eliminate problems with batteries that go wonky because you managed to get liquid into the battery.

Is the 510 the perfect e-cig? Nope. The batteries have a short life. Depending on how much you vape and how long you hold down your manual button on the battery, you'll get anywhere from 1 hour to 3.5 hours on a battery. Batteries and atomizers don't last forever, and when you do replace them, they ain't dirt cheap. For this reason, some folks buy the Dura-C from JantyUSA because it comes with a very long warranty. You will pay more upfront, but you can control your costs because if your atomizer dies, you can send it back for a replacement.

If you want the excellent warranty, Janty USA is the place to go. If you want to spend less upfront and forego the longer warranty, I recommend Widows Bead Work - Home. For $50, you get the 510 starter set with no s/h costs. She's out right now, but should be restocked the 20th or thereabouts. She also ships quickly, and I routinely get my orders from the Widow within a matter of a few days. I also think the instructions she provides with the 510 are excellent.

Whatever model you get, though, please do order some liquid. You will find that your vaping experience won't be so great without the ability to top off and refill cartridges. For most folks, once the cartridge is half done, vapor production drops to a point where it simply isn't terribly satisfying.

My personal view (and reasonable minds can differ on this) is it makes sense for newcomers to start off with an e-cig that is a bit less expensive and perhaps a bit more cigarette like at first. This gives them a chance to try out vaping without spending an arm and a leg, and psychologically, some may find it easier to start off with something that kind of sort of resembles a cigarette.

The more expensive manual battery devices generally provide the most consistent, satisfying, and long-lasting vape. The models mentioned by wv2win fall into that category. However, the price point is such that it's often hard for newcomers to justify the cost when they haven't even tried an e-cig. :) For others, they wish they had started off with the more expensive manual battery models from the get-go. ;)

Good luck!
 

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Pkilbourn, start with the Ruyan Jazz. This is a use-it-and-toss-it, disposable e-cigarette. You don't need to buy liquid or more cartridges or futz with it non-stop the way many of us here do (we are WORSE than pipe smokers in that regard).

Maybe I got a dud, but i tried the Ruyan Jazz and didn't care for it at all. I wound up tossing it after a day. But reasonable minds can differ on this, and I agree that there's a lot to be said about starting off with a model that requires no fuss and muss. :)
 

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Pkilbourne: Have you gotten an e-cig or disposable yet? I also agree with JustJulie, and I also recommend the 510, if not a disposable to try at first. I only just began the e-cigs two days ago, and it is the absolute best thing for certain smokers, including probably you. Mine has worked so nicely for me. It's true it's a lot of futzing around at first, and it's a bit of an initial investment money-wise, but it's well worth it, I'm sure you will find.

I hope you haven't run into a lot of "out of stock" messages wherever you try to order. Don't want you, or anyone, to get discouraged. Do you have someone who could do the cyber-running around for you, maybe even get you started? It's only a mild hassle when you very first get your kit and have to charge and fill and all that...but it gets easier every minute, with every enjoyable puff, and knowing you aren't killing yourself in a more unseemly manner than just regular life does.

Have you visited and joined The Women's Room? You might want to come put your feet up for a while and get some more advice. I am so enjoying these first few days and learning as I go. Vaping is enjoyable. And then there is the whole psychological and emotional thing -- it's good.

kathy
 

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Pkilbourn, start with the Ruyan Jazz. This is a use-it-and-toss-it, disposable e-cigarette. You don't need to buy liquid or more cartridges or futz with it non-stop the way many of us here do (we are WORSE than pipe smokers in that regard).

The Ruyan Jazz will let you test whether you like e-smoking or not. It will cost you about $25 -- and I can buy it at my local tobacco store. It will last you up to a week, depending on how much you suck on it. When it's used up, throw it away and buy another.

If you find you really like e-smoking, then come back and read the excellent suggestions for refillable, rechargable e-cigarettes here. But start with them? Forget it.

None of my local tobacco stores have these.

I'm not going to recommend anything I haven't personally tried, so I ordered a Ruyan Jazz Menthol and will give it a go.

BTW: just about everyone online is out of stock with these and only getruyanusa.com had the Jazz in stock - but only menthol (which is good for me since I'm a menthol vapor).
 

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MyVaporStore.com is located in NY. Ordering from one of the best right off the bat will likely improve your level of satisfaction. Since he's close, your package should arrive before you forget about it. I suggest you browse his great starter kits and choose something easy to operate like a 901 kit. MVS also sells GREAT juice and spare parts (should the need ever arise).

Drew's Nhaler.com is also in your neighborhood. He is selling the wonderful dse801 penstyle starter kits for $29 right now. 801s are about the size of a Sharpie marker and have large parts that are easy to identify. Very nice vapor output and tons of flavor using whatever juice you choose is a great bonus. Drew's e-juice is garnering quite a following.

Those are just a few suggestions. If you remember to be my friend, I can help you even more. :)

EDITED TO ADD - for me the Ruyan Jazz was a joke. My first one was defective and it was replaced under warranty (more cost to me, however, because I had to mail it back). The replacement just didn't do anything for me. Not much vaper, tasted like some weird kinda Mardi Gras drink, and had to draw on it like Picasso on a caffeine binge. If I wasn't smart enough to figure out that this couldn't possibly be what vaping is about, I would have quit PVs right then and there. Sorry, Tropical Bob - I love you man, but had my cheeks not popped back out from the fish-face drawing frenzy on the Jazz, I probably would have been facing plastic surgery. :)
 
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I suggest you browse his great starter kits and choose something easy to operate like a 901 kit. MVS also sells GREAT juice and spare parts (should the need ever arise).

Drew's Nhaler.com is also in your neighborhood. He is selling the wonderful dse801 penstyle starter kits for $29 right now. 801s are about the size of a Sharpie marker and have large parts that are easy to identify. Very nice vapor output and tons of flavor using whatever juice you choose is a great bonus. Drew's e-juice is garnering quite a following.

Those are just a few suggestions. If you remember to be my friend, I can help you even more. :)

OK - who is this imposter hahaha!!

KreeL - dude - 901??? 801??? - or are you giving a hidden code in that last sentence?
 
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