TPA Mixing Percentage Compared to FA

[Amccone]

i can't find this so forgive me if its been discussed. Reading others recipes it seems TPA/TFA are very close to FA in percentages used. Im thinking then that similar flavors would work for either vendor, in a recipe. I have all FA but lots of recipes are usually TPA or a combo. Any thoughts on this? I know taste is subjective. Thank you for any input you might have.

 

[FACE MEAT]

Usage percentages vary from flavor to flavor, even though the manufacturer is the same. Generally speaking, FA flavorings tend to be more concentrated than TFA, but there are several exceptions.

A search of the flavor's name here or on other DIY sites will give you information on specific flavorings.

 

[Sugar_and_Spice]

FA is usually referring to FlavourArt, which is totally a different company than the flavor apprentice. TFA is usually the one in reference here and is the flavor apprentice. TPA is the perfumers apprentice which is the same company as TFA but not usually used in eliquid reference for obvious reasons. I mean who wants to use perfume in their ejuice? Or anything that even sounds like that?



eta FA flavorings are much more concentrated than TFA flavorings, hence, you would use less FA than TFA.

 

[dannyv45]

This TFA flavor percent file I've attached should help you. Sorry about the formatting. I had it in an excel which can not be uploaded so had to export it to a text file

 

[Amccone]

FA is usually referring to FlavourArt, which is totally a different company than the flavor apprentice. TFA is usually the one in reference here and is the flavor apprentice. TPA is the perfumers apprentice which is the same company as TFA but not usually used in eliquid reference for obvious reasons. I mean who wants to use perfume in their ejuice? Or anything that even sounds like that?



eta FA flavorings are much more concentrated than TFA flavorings, hence, you would use less FA than TFA.

The heavier concentration and presumably more realistic flavors are why I went with FA. What I was noticing is TFA percentages people post it their recipes are amazingly similar to what I consider a reasonable amount for FA. Conversely if one took the percentages people use with CAP (Capella) and used them for FA, the FA juice would IMO, be grossly over flavored to the point of disgusting. So my deduction was that TFA and FA must be pretty close in strength. I guess there is only one way to find out. Part of the fun is playing with the formulas right?

 

[sketchness]

The heavier concentration and presumably more realistic flavors are why I went with FA. What I was noticing is TFA percentages people post it their recipes are amazingly similar to what I consider a reasonable amount for FA. Conversely if one took the percentages people use with CAP (Capella) and used them for FA, the FA juice would IMO, be grossly over flavored to the point of disgusting. So my deduction was that TFA and FA must be pretty close in strength. I guess there is only one way to find out. Part of the fun is playing with the formulas right?

The problem I have seen is people using "FA" as an abbreviation for Flavor Apprentice. When most people refer to them as TFA. If you use FA at the same percentages that you see in TFA recipes you will likely have a juice that is basically flavorless. Over flavored. By all means you are free to try it out. That is the fun of DIY. But the percentages are very different.

3% is often enough when using FA. With total flavoring in a recipe often under 10%. Where as you often see TFA recipes in the 10-20% range and 20-30% is not uncommon. So I would strongly disagree on them being similar strength wise. FA is much more unforgiving, too much and you end up with something wretched or flavorless. TFA's strength is really its ability to play well with other and not take over a mix.

 

[Amccone]

This TFA flavor percent file I've attached should help you. Sorry about the formatting. I had it in an excel which can not be uploaded so had to export it to a text file

Thank you Dannyv45.

The problem I have seen is people using "FA" as an abbreviation for Flavor Apprentice. When most people refer to them as TFA. If you use FA at the same percentages that you see in TFA recipes you will likely have a juice that is basically flavorless. Over flavored. By all means you are free to try it out. That is the fun of DIY. But the percentages are very different.

3% is often enough when using FA. With total flavoring in a recipe often under 10%. Where as you often see TFA recipes in the 10-20% range and 20-30% is not uncommon. So I would strongly disagree on them being similar strength wise. FA is much more unforgiving, too much and you end up with something wretched or flavorless. TFA's strength is really its ability to play well with other and not take over a mix.

I guess it depends on where you look. I see lots of recipes calling for 3 - 5 % of TFA single flavor which was my reason for posing the question. But I will have to try. I'm one of "those guys". LOL

 

[Sugar_and_Spice]

Thank you Dannyv45.

I guess it depends on where you look. I see lots of recipes calling for 3 - 5 % of TFA single flavor which was my reason for posing the question. But I will have to try. I'm one of "those guys". LOL

You may also want to consult the flavor manufacture's websites directly(not the ejuice vendor in which you bought from) Most usually list along with their flavors description an amount appropriate for use. That is where I usually look as a starting point if I am unsure or have never tried that particular flavoring before. Who would know better than the people that make the flavorings? At the very least it is a good starting point.

 

[ShamrockPat]

Flavor profiles and intensity can vary wildly between vendors. Do both (insert your favorite fruit name here) taste like the real fruit, or candy style, and is that the same answer for both?

 

[Amccone]

You may also want to consult the flavor manufacture's websites directly(not the ejuice vendor in which you bought from) Most usually list along with their flavors description an amount appropriate for use. That is where I usually look as a starting point if I am unsure or have never tried that particular flavoring before. Who would know better than the people that make the flavorings? At the very least it is a good starting point.

Thanks Sugar. (I don't think I've ever said that before to anyone LOL).

 

[satchvai]

Different flavors have different strengths. TFA Honeydew I'd never use over 1-2%, TFA Blueberry Wild I have to use 10-15%. I usually look up flavor notes from other users to use as a starting point.

 

[Kodak]

I used to use all TFA in my recipes and started experimenting with FA over the last 3 months. IMO, there is no way that you can use the same percentage of FA that you do for TFA. I have one recipe that I am converting over from TFA to FA flavors, and I've found that I've had to drastically reduce the percentages to make it taste the same. My beginning TFA recipe was 20% total flavoring with just 3 flavors (blueberry, pomegranate, and a cream). My new FA recipe uses bilberry, pomegranate, and a cream and tops out at around 7% I think. Any higher than that 7% and it doesn't taste remotely the same. I had a lot of failures with the FA until I went to the website to see what the recommended usage was--and that's how I started using them. As a general rule of thumb nowadays, if I'm going to try to sub an FA flavor for a TFA flavor, I'll cut the recipe flavor % down by 2/3 (if it calls for 10% Strawberry TFA, I'll use around 3% Strawberry FA to start). I may have to wind up adding a little more later, but at least it gives me a starting point.

And I love the "realness" of the FA flavors which is why I'm converting my favorite recipes now!

 

[Amccone]

I used to use all TFA in my recipes and started experimenting with FA over the last 3 months. IMO, there is no way that you can use the same percentage of FA that you do for TFA. I have one recipe that I am converting over from TFA to FA flavors, and I've found that I've had to drastically reduce the percentages to make it taste the same. My beginning TFA recipe was 20% total flavoring with just 3 flavors (blueberry, pomegranate, and a cream). My new FA recipe uses bilberry, pomegranate, and a cream and tops out at around 7% I think. Any higher than that 7% and it doesn't taste remotely the same. I had a lot of failures with the FA until I went to the website to see what the recommended usage was--and that's how I started using them. As a general rule of thumb nowadays, if I'm going to try to sub an FA flavor for a TFA flavor, I'll cut the recipe flavor % down by 2/3 (if it calls for 10% Strawberry TFA, I'll use around 3% Strawberry FA to start). I may have to wind up adding a little more later, but at least it gives me a starting point.

And I love the "realness" of the FA flavors which is why I'm converting my favorite recipes now!

That is great info. Thank you for that. FA flavors are amazingly good. I have some TFA but don't use it much.

 

[Kodak]

That is great info. Thank you for that. FA flavors are amazingly good. I have some TFA but don't use it much.

I have certain flavors from just about every vendor that I like. I'm always willing to experiment with new ones though because a lot of times I wind up liking something new rather than what I've been using.