Tried a WTA Competitor.......
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About as fair as discussing the dna 20 mod in the ProVape forum. That vendor didn't have a problem with us doing so.
If the product under discussion didn't have flaws, it would still be discussed. Instead of scolding us for ragging on a vendor that sold an unvapable product, you should be telling us your experience with said vendor's product and how it compared with Aroma's product.
I don't know why you think sharing our experience is ragging on them.
I have gone through two bottles now, one with a heavy chemical smell and nasty taste. One with much less chemical smell, but still a nasty chemical taste. I am sharing my personal experience with the product.
I am not bashing their product without actual knowledge of the product. If I was simply an aroma fan boy and blindly claimed their product was superior, then I could see your point.
I actually wish there was another good product in the market. I was hoping this would be it, especially with them offering higher MG which would allow me to add to my favorite juices without watering down the flavor as much.
I tried it long before this thread came about and didn't like the taste of it. I didn't say anything simply because I didn't want to appear biased. Even back then I thought it had an off taste. I too wish the product was better so that there would be more available for everyone.
In as much as I'm the "rabble rouser" whut started this thread.....
You have a valid point. Very much so.
The saving grace as I see it is that I'm reasonably sure that the "other vendor" is not specifically named in any post in this thread.
If I'm wrong I'll take another slice of humble pie, wouldn't be the first piece and prolly not the last (-;
Vendor is hinted at, is known based on descriptions of product.
I just did several searches on as many permutations of the vendors name as I could think of and got no hits.
These observations may be niggling at your point but...... this thread could be ended and I don't think it would be any great loss.
My apologies, I mentioned the name. This is not a crowded / competitive field with many vendors though. I can understand a few pages and I found the discussion interesting at first. But nothing new has been added for some time and comments seem to be for "sport" at someone elses expense. I didn't respond earlier because I said my piece and let it go. I'm not the OP, nor do I intend to moderate or "scold" anyone. It's JMO, an observation. You can take it or leave it as you want. No offense either way.
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LOL! I have no idea what your talking about. I've been a frequent commenter in the "Still smoking support" thread at PIF for a year now and WTA is often reccomended to those struggling. I think most people there have used it, including the mods.
Jerry, MsChris
aikanae made a very good observation regarding negative discussions of an Aroma competitor. I really do agree that this particular thread has prolly run it's course.
Would ya'll be so good as to lock it down? Thanks. Now to get back to drippin' some o' the "good" WTA (-;
aikanae made a very good observation regarding negative discussions of an Aroma competitor. I really do agree that this particular thread has prolly run it's course.
Would ya'll be so good as to lock it down? Thanks. Now to get back to drippin' some o' the "good" WTA (-;
I will have to mod the thread later on. however I'm at the lab right now and only have tap talk and my phone.
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Oh goody, I get to squeeze this in before it goes away. 
Huh. You probably never saw it because it was deleted within minutes. But any any rate my post was a direct response to two posts you made:
Now, unfortunately I can't absolutely recreate my response BECAUSE IT WAS DELETED, but to the best of my recollection it was on the order of:
The observation you made that the price was high is true, and it's "high" for good reasons. Basically I think the upshot of the thread we're in is right now is "you get what you pay for". But at least the numbers should be correct, the price wasn't $35, it was $30 with a 10% discount too. The insinuation that whatever price it is is due to some artificially created shortage is completely untrue, and strikes me as a perfect example of a comment of sport at someone else's expense. But it was my post that was deleted, which contained nothing but facts. On complaint to the moderator I was told that I was rude for butting in. Well, If people aren't interested in truthful information but rather in maintaining the good ol' boys' protocol, they can wallow in their ignorance. I won't be back.
Time and time again we experience that our preferences are our own and opinions are like...you know. The thread we're in is no exception. But when it comes to black and white and facts are purposely censored, *that* is when it really crosses the line into unacceptability for me.
Huh. You probably never saw it because it was deleted within minutes. But any any rate my post was a direct response to two posts you made:
I guess there's something to be said about creating product shortages.
Now, unfortunately I can't absolutely recreate my response BECAUSE IT WAS DELETED, but to the best of my recollection it was on the order of:
snork said:
The observation you made that the price was high is true, and it's "high" for good reasons. Basically I think the upshot of the thread we're in is right now is "you get what you pay for". But at least the numbers should be correct, the price wasn't $35, it was $30 with a 10% discount too. The insinuation that whatever price it is is due to some artificially created shortage is completely untrue, and strikes me as a perfect example of a comment of sport at someone else's expense. But it was my post that was deleted, which contained nothing but facts. On complaint to the moderator I was told that I was rude for butting in. Well, If people aren't interested in truthful information but rather in maintaining the good ol' boys' protocol, they can wallow in their ignorance. I won't be back.
Time and time again we experience that our preferences are our own and opinions are like...you know. The thread we're in is no exception. But when it comes to black and white and facts are purposely censored, *that* is when it really crosses the line into unacceptability for me.
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I do remember that! First it was not in a vendors thread, but a SUPPORT and CHAT thread.
Second it was at a time that unflavored VG WTA was very, very new and scarce offerring. Several people were waiting for it. Yea, we were expecting a price similar to the other eliquids. Yea, I think it would be hard to find another eliquid in that price range. We had minutes to buy or it was gone - we were passing pm's to each other trying to get some. Then some sales weren't even announced in here first. Frustrating and time consuming. Kinda like trying to get a iphone 4s. That's what my "marketing scarcity" comment refferred to. It was not a comment bashing the company or quality. I still buy Apple.
Third, obviously those were uneducated comments since it is a different product than the rest offered, but that's not explained on the website very clearly.
Fourth, those comments didn't go on for pages and pages and pages and pages. There was no reason to take those comments personally. Every company has critics. That's business. Some decisions are better than others. Some days are too.
Fifth - I keep forgetting the discount. Even last week. My bad.
I am a frequent customer of Aroma and have probably spent more there than at any other vendor plus they are in my backyard (sorry I haven't made it in yet). I'm excited the processing decisions have turned out so well. I'm also of the belief that continued growth will require serious competition.
As far as moderation, maybe you should direct your question towards Mr. Mann.
Second it was at a time that unflavored VG WTA was very, very new and scarce offerring. Several people were waiting for it. Yea, we were expecting a price similar to the other eliquids. Yea, I think it would be hard to find another eliquid in that price range. We had minutes to buy or it was gone - we were passing pm's to each other trying to get some. Then some sales weren't even announced in here first. Frustrating and time consuming. Kinda like trying to get a iphone 4s. That's what my "marketing scarcity" comment refferred to. It was not a comment bashing the company or quality. I still buy Apple.
Third, obviously those were uneducated comments since it is a different product than the rest offered, but that's not explained on the website very clearly.
Fourth, those comments didn't go on for pages and pages and pages and pages. There was no reason to take those comments personally. Every company has critics. That's business. Some decisions are better than others. Some days are too.
Fifth - I keep forgetting the discount. Even last week. My bad.
I am a frequent customer of Aroma and have probably spent more there than at any other vendor plus they are in my backyard (sorry I haven't made it in yet). I'm excited the processing decisions have turned out so well. I'm also of the belief that continued growth will require serious competition.
As far as moderation, maybe you should direct your question towards Mr. Mann.
Oh goody, I get to squeeze this in before it goes away.
Huh. You probably never saw it because it was deleted within minutes. But any any rate my post was a direct response to two posts you made:
Now, unfortunately I can't absolutely recreate my response BECAUSE IT WAS DELETED, but to the best of my recollection it was on the order of:
The observation you made that the price was high is true, and it's "high" for good reasons. Basically I think the upshot of the thread we're in is right now is "you get what you pay for". But at least the numbers should be correct, the price wasn't $35, it was $30 with a 10% discount too. The insinuation that whatever price it is is due to some artificially created shortage is completely untrue, and strikes me as a perfect example of a comment of sport at someone else's expense. But it was my post that was deleted, which contained nothing but facts. On complaint to the moderator I was told that I was rude for butting in. Well, If people aren't interested in truthful information but rather in maintaining the good ol' boys' protocol, they can wallow in their ignorance. I won't be back.
Time and time again we experience that our preferences are our own and opinions are like...you know. The thread we're in is no exception. But when it comes to black and white and facts are purposely censored, *that* is when it really crosses the line into unacceptability for me.
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You both did a good job of stating your cases. Let's not turn this into a fight.
Everything becomes clear now. When it comes to WTA, Mr. Mann is not an...unbiased...observer. I think in his own mind he tries to be, for what that's worth.
I understand all that. I'm just saying that Mr. Mann has a history of involvement with various WTA vendors (including Jerry) that predates his elevation in status to Moderator.
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Ok, quit poking the ferocious animals with a stick.
Mann has a lot of different interests wanting a piece of him in the PIF forum, so it's probably a tough balancing act where sometimes compromises must be made. On average, I think he does a good job of it. I'd just PM him and ask about the deletion.
Bias is something that we really can't avoid; we all have our own bias. The trick is to temper our bias with fairness. The criticism of a competing product's defect in this thread isn't unfair as long as the defect continues to present itself. Once the problem behind the defect is solved, it would become unfair to continue to hammer on it.
Bias is something that we really can't avoid; we all have our own bias. The trick is to temper our bias with fairness. The criticism of a competing product's defect in this thread isn't unfair as long as the defect continues to present itself. Once the problem behind the defect is solved, it would become unfair to continue to hammer on it.
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