TropicalBob, I know you keep up with these things, having read your numerous posts regarding the FDA since I first joined here. I was curious to know if you plan on stockpiling snus or recommending such to others, due to the recent passage of FDA regulation of tobacco, as well as PACT, which specifically mentions and so covers smokeless tobacco?
TropicalBob: Will you stockpile snus or recommend it?
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It concerns me -- greatly. I'm in turmoil trying to figure out how I invest limited money as a hedge against an uncertain future.
I have enough e-smoking stuff stockpiled now to last about a year. I see a total ban coming from the FDA, irregardless of Senate action on tobacco. See the thread on Favor. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/law-e-cigarette/18033-remember-favor-smoke-free-worried.html
I have less than a week of snus. I have less than a month of nasal snuff. Less than a month of dissolvables. About three months' worth of pipe tobacco.
I don't think I can afford to stockpile snus, to tell you the truth. I can stockpile a massive amount of nasal snuff at its prices. I can only afford a few months of Stonewall dissolvables.
So I'm anxious. I'm watching the Senate now. I know in my heart that this bill will pass and become law. But after we have the new laws, things won't happen overnight, regarding existing harm reduction products. So we have to keep reading and watching.
I have enough e-smoking stuff stockpiled now to last about a year. I see a total ban coming from the FDA, irregardless of Senate action on tobacco. See the thread on Favor. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/law-e-cigarette/18033-remember-favor-smoke-free-worried.html
I have less than a week of snus. I have less than a month of nasal snuff. Less than a month of dissolvables. About three months' worth of pipe tobacco.
I don't think I can afford to stockpile snus, to tell you the truth. I can stockpile a massive amount of nasal snuff at its prices. I can only afford a few months of Stonewall dissolvables.
So I'm anxious. I'm watching the Senate now. I know in my heart that this bill will pass and become law. But after we have the new laws, things won't happen overnight, regarding existing harm reduction products. So we have to keep reading and watching.
I'll take that as a "yes....get it while you can" type of post. Sucks because I just discovered snus and are really liking them!
I presently have 24 tobacco plants growing, which includes 6 different species, although I have seed for 17 different species, in order to eventually make my own snus. Once I am sure I can both grow tobacco and make my own snus, any future governmental insanity will have no bearing on my tobacco usage, nor will I be paying any tobacco taxes.
I will only stockpile snus to get me to the point where I can grow my own tobacco and make my own snus.
I do not know why they want to get rid of snus and e cigs and dissolveables and anything that is LESS harmful than real cigs and keep the real cigs that are known to cause lung cancer available. I just don't get it.
The comparative risk of these newer products is irrelevant with relation to cigarettes - they are not 100% safe therefore they will not be allowed to be promoted. They might be allowed to remain legal/unclassified - that remains to be seen. The fact that cigarettes already exist and are legal is nether here nor there; they are different products.
As has often been said - if alcohol and tobacco (and possibly coffee) were discovered today, they would be made illegal immediately.
To give an analogy - if I were do invent a new product that claimed to give similar effects as alcohol but without the liver disease, would it be allowed? Even if it were proven to be "safer" than alcohol, it would, by it's nature be addictive. Why would any government want to allow yet another addictive substance into society despite the wishes of its citizens?
Plus, it's taken decades to move the public perception of smoking (an admitted public health disaster) from venerated to acceptable to tolerated to despised. All that work undone, diluted or these alternatives causing perceived confusion (in regulators' minds).
In summary, one could say that the current view is that no level of risk or addiction is acceptable (not my personal view by-the-way).
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You know what opinions are compared to
, but he's my opinion on why the government is doing this:http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/blogs/elwin/201-control.html
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Found this one on the SnusOn.com - Snus Forum :: View Forum - <br>Snus & Snus Accessories forum.
http://swedishsnus.com/US/newsevents.asp?ID=2
Could it be that swedish snus would still be available in the US even if S.982 passes. It appears that way as it is under the cut off date of Feb. 15 07. It gives me some hope that the end perhaps isn't near.
http://swedishsnus.com/US/newsevents.asp?ID=2
Could it be that swedish snus would still be available in the US even if S.982 passes. It appears that way as it is under the cut off date of Feb. 15 07. It gives me some hope that the end perhaps isn't near.
General snus might remain available, as it is being sold at many stores around the U.S., and was sold prior to the 2007 deadline. Kiss the other brands goodbye. Worse is the bill that will ban shipments of all tobacco products. That bill has passed the House and is heading to Senate committee.
That shipping ban bill, would that effect nicotine shipments entirely? Technically nicotine is available from 12 other plants in the Nightshade family/genus beside Tobacco. So would E-liquid sellers be able to skirt a BAN of shipping tobacco, by claiming it was cultivated from a different plant? TY for all the information you bring to this forum.
I though I read in the bill a 10oz loophole, and snus does not weight much. Maybe get 5 cans at a time. I could be wrong though.
You could be correct that suppliers might skirt the law with either synthetic nicotine (which we have been told Ruyan uses) or nicotine sourced from a plant other than tobacco.
It's a positive thought and a possibility. It doesn't help my snus, nasal snuff or pipe tobacco problem, however. All tobacco products. In the cross-hairs.
It's a positive thought and a possibility. It doesn't help my snus, nasal snuff or pipe tobacco problem, however. All tobacco products. In the cross-hairs.
Can you say 'tobacco tax revenue?' This is not a health issue and never was. If you can vape or order snus from Sweden, neither the Feds nor the state governments are getting the tobacco taxes we apparently 'owe' them. Don't you know the PACT act was started by the NY idiots? See, once they raised cigarette taxes so high that a pack cost $10, black markets sprang up, meaning smokers looked for every other arena to purchase cigarettes without paying such ridiculously high taxes. Classic economic theory demonstrates when you price a product out of the market, a black market will form by necessity. Having raised the taxes high enough to create those black markets, the only possible answer is MORE legislation, which insures you have no other option to purchase WITHOUT paying those taxes. In other words, PACT will solve the problem the governments themselves created by taxing cigarettes too high.
This doesn't have a damn thing to do with health, but has EVERYTHING to do with money. That's precisely why I will grow my own tobacco and make my own snus. The government WILL get and stay the fluck out of my tobacco usage. It simply will no longer be their business and their inane and assinine policies will have no more bearing on my life.
I KNOW it's all about the MONEY. I've ALWAYS said that, but the BS they spew about our health is what just makes me so mad because it makes NO sense.
My pet hypothesis on that one is it stirs up popular opinion to support the increased taxes. Can't you just see the self-righteous non-smokers and former smokers joining in the kumbaya chorus as to how 'good for us' the new taxes will be?
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