True or False: Smoking Does Not Cause Cancer

[Knosis]

Corruption in science is a big problem faced by ecig supporters.

In the 80's I was standing on Mt. Washington in Pittsburgh. That is where the skyline photos of the city are taken from. At that time, it was possible to look at a photo of that same skyline from the 60's. The 60's there was a black covering over the city from all the pollution but the early 80's Pittsburgh was listed as near the top of the list for air quality in a city of that size in the world.

My point - air quality since the clean air act of 1955 has actually been getting better overall.

Junk science was mentioned in this thread. One of the problems in the scientific community is allowing the degradation of what is presented as fact and the responsibility of scientists to set that straight. When scientists are questioned if they believe in man caused global climate change it is their responsibility to the purity of science to set the record straight when the layperson media weasel presents it as fact. Same goes when they present atheism as scientifically proven. Same goes when people claim ecigs are as bad or worse than traditional cigarettes.

I can back this. I live in LA and flying into LAX in the 80s and 90s we flew through a dense brown cloud of nasty. Its a lot better now.

IMO on the carcinogens, I think a big part of it is the synthetic chemicals. Not just in cigs, but everywhere. We have had a pretty long track record of co-existing and a symbiosis with the chemistry of our environment. It hasn't been really until the last hundred years or so that we've been heavily exposed to chemicals, and in quantities that our bodies were never designed to use for a biological function, or more than we can process and remove from our system.

 

[Penn]

I can back this. I live in LA and flying into LAX in the 80s and 90s we flew through a dense brown cloud of nasty. Its a lot better now.

IMO on the carcinogens, I think a big part of it is the synthetic chemicals. Not just in cigs, but everywhere. We have had a pretty long track record of co-existing and a symbiosis with the chemistry of our environment. It hasn't been really until the last hundred years or so that we've been heavily exposed to chemicals, and in quantities that our bodies were never designed to use for a biological function, or more than we can process and remove from our system.

I'm not going to look up the link but I'm pretty sure it is the EPA website has data showing certain stats for pollution since the 80's. Total levels of emissions an what is actually in the air have dropped. What people point at though is the RATE of reduction is getting lower. Well of course. When you cut things down almost as far as you can go, there is less of a rate of improvement.

 

[John Castle]

I think the whole Global Warming fiasco has shown that most scientists have gone the way of the media, siding with whomever is paying the most.

This is the problem that arises when policy makers pay scientists - by way of grants, or via any other avenue. What those policy makers are paying for are excuses to make policy. They expect results, and their money obligates scientists to provide those results. It's a total perversion of the scientific process, which is to analyze the evidence and come to an impartial conclusion. Instead, thanks to the leverage of grant money, policy makers oblige scientists to find or fabricate evidence to support a predetermined desired conclusion.

 

[FLExJuice]

True.

But, I'm done with those debates.

I don't believe everything I read on the internet nor find something true because "everyone" says it is. Pick about any subject and one can find debate, opposing views and opposing studies. Dare I mention global warmin....er......climate change?

Don't get me started about genetically modified corn seed. Lol.

 

[cmdebrecht]

Speak for yourself

I did.

But not only for yourself.

 

[TyPie]

If it weren't for the other effects of smoking, like COPD / emphysema, heart and cardio-vascular disease, the compromising of the respiratory system, etc, I also would likely be happily smoking cigarettes for the enjoyment and pleasure I got from them.

I have always had my own doubts about the causes of lung cancer. News reports of the death of certain celebrities and others in the not-too-distant past (Dana Reeves, wife of Christopher Reeves comes to mind, who reportedly never smoked, died from lung cancer not so long after her husband's death) also raises some questions.

I'm not particularly paranoid about such things, but did you ever get stuck in traffic behind a bus or 18-wheeler spewing forth black diesel exhaust? Ever wonder where all that brake dust goes after being ground off your car's brake pads? (And you drive with your car's windows open??)? Ever wonder what that residue is on your dishes that you just took out of the dishwasher, and that you are now ingesting? Ever wonder what illegally discarded, buried drum of toxic chemicals is leaching underground into your drinking water? Ever wonder why they throw that thick, heavy lead-lined blanket over you, and the tech actually leaves the room (!) before they X-ray your teeth? Ever wonder what the fertilizers and insecticides you throw all over your lawns can really do to you? (I know what they have done to the fish and marine life of Chesapeake Bay, for example. There are well-known "dead zones" in the bay due to the run-off.)

Truth is, most of us have been over-medicated, over-exposed to X-rays, over-exposed to ultra-violet rays from the sun, over-exposed to environmental contaminants of all kinds (and who really knows what else we have been over-exposed to) since birth.

Theoretically, it only takes one cell to become compromised or mutated. If it survives and is able to subdivide / multiply, a cancer can be the result. There are simply so many possibilities for cancers, it is mind-boggling.

Honestly, I believe that smoking cigarettes can certainly cause / trigger cancers, and was certainly of some concern, but not so much, and not nearly as much of a concern as the other cardio and respiratory effects. Vaping is WAY, WAY down on the list of worries.

 

[ScottP]

Just think, you don't need to get your dentist to do your X-rays any more. Just buy a plane ticket and you get a free whole body X-ray. They will also check for testicle and breast cancer as well. If you mention promo code: "Al'Queda" you can get a free colonoscopy/prostate exam too. I think this may all be part of the free medical plan that was mentioned in the Obamacare package.

NOTE: This is post is 100% in jest and is not to be taken seriously....by anyone.

 

[WarHawk-AVG]

If it weren't for the other effects of smoking, like COPD / emphysema, heart and cardio-vascular disease, the compromising of the respiratory system, etc, I also would likely be happily smoking cigarettes for the enjoyment and pleasure I got from them.

I have always had my own doubts about the causes of lung cancer. News reports of the death of certain celebrities and others in the not-too-distant past (Dana Reeves, wife of Christopher Reeves comes to mind, who reportedly never smoked, died from lung cancer not so long after her husband's death) also raises some questions.

I'm not particularly paranoid about such things, but did you ever get stuck in traffic behind a bus or 18-wheeler spewing forth black diesel exhaust? Ever wonder where all that brake dust goes after being ground off your car's brake pads? (And you drive with your car's windows open??)? Ever wonder what that residue is on your dishes that you just took out of the dishwasher, and that you are now ingesting? Ever wonder what illegally discarded, buried drum of toxic chemicals is leaching underground into your drinking water? Ever wonder why they throw that thick, heavy lead-lined blanket over you, and the tech actually leaves the room (!) before they X-ray your teeth? Ever wonder what the fertilizers and insecticides you throw all over your lawns can really do to you? (I know what they have done to the fish and marine life of Chesapeake Bay, for example. There are well-known "dead zones" in the bay due to the run-off.)

Truth is, most of us have been over-medicated, over-exposed to X-rays, over-exposed to ultra-violet rays from the sun, over-exposed to environmental contaminants of all kinds (and who really knows what else we have been over-exposed to) since birth.

Theoretically, it only takes one cell to become compromised or mutated. If it survives and is able to subdivide / multiply, a cancer can be the result. There are simply so many possibilities for cancers, it is mind-boggling.

Honestly, I believe that smoking cigarettes can certainly cause / trigger cancers, and was certainly of some concern, but not so much, and not nearly as much of a concern as the other cardio and respiratory effects. Vaping is WAY, WAY down on the list of worries.

Absolutely true...but the human body has "defenses" built in to deal with alot of that....now chemically beat those defenses with mg after mg of TAR and Carbon Monoxide...and the "defenders can no longer hold the walls" so to speak...plus the older you get the defense mechanism grows weaker and weaker...

 

[e-pipeman]

But not only for yourself.

That's the problem with partial quotes.

"The answer to the former is that we all accept climate change but there is debate about causation."

I don't think there is a debate about whether the climate is "changing". It is. It may be part of a normal natural cycle but it is changing (i.e.not staying constantly the same). What there is a MASSIVE debate about is whether this change is benign or not, whether it's caused by industrial activity or just Gaia correcting itself.

 

[RedhatPat]

I was Googling the average number of puffs/drags per cigarette to make a comparison with e-cigs and stumbled upon an article that claims "Smoking Does Not Cause Cancer." What do you guys think about this? True or False?

My father died of lung cancer a couple of years ago. He was born in 1938. He died when he did and how he did, because of the tobacco he smoked -- throughout his life. I'm vaping now because I don't want history to repeat itself if the day comes I become a father.

Smoking does cause cancer: True or False

RHP

 

[FLExJuice]

Redhatpat- I'm sorry for your lost. When I first heard of vaping as a healthier alternative, I instantly wanted to help my dad. He's still experimenting with vaping and I told him there is no rush to quit since he can do both. But at his age, time is against him and the risk of cancer increases.

 

[Orb Skewer]

Living in a civilised country is what causes cancer

Smoking Helps Protect Against Lung Cancer -- Health & Wellness -- Sott.net

 

[FLExJuice]

Is there a cliff notes version?

I'll have to finish later but I'll confess I went to the comments to read what others thought. It started with smoking kills to government control then Nazi Germany.

 

[DC2]

I'll have to finish later but I'll confess I went to the comments to read what others thought. It started with smoking kills to government control then Nazi Germany.

Yes, that's the usual progression.


The Cliff Notes version is: Maybe it does and maybe it doesn't

 

[suspectK]

Cliff notes: There's already way worse crap in the environment, and the government/world lies to you.

 

[FLExJuice]

From what I gather, the risk of cancer is from all the "junk" in the cigarettes that makes nicotine a super crack and depending on factors like age and health, smokers "could" get cancer and others don't. I do believe the root of illnesses can be traced to what we eat and drink, and even stress can play a huge part in a person's overall well being.

I believe the pleasure I get from vaping helps me de-stress.

 

[Orb Skewer]

Isn't it ironic...

A bunch of ex-smokers agreeing that while smoking may not cause cancer, it's not a healthy choice.

Add that to the fact that these ex-smokers would likely still be smoking were it not for vaping.

Are you listening, FDA, and legislators?

I think you'll find (if you dive down the rabbit hole deep enough) we have Pharmacist Dr Hon Lik, and the AnTZ to thank-thereis the irony (and there is lots to be found in Vapeworld)

"The now-booming e-cigarette industry was born out of this overwhelming hostility to tobacco, but it appears the anti-tobacco lobby also wants to stifle those entrepreneurs, who are actually helping people quit smoking. And governments would appear to fear the loss of all that cigarette tax revenue."

OPINION: The irrational rush to ban e-cigarettes | Las Vegas Review-Journal

 

[Fizzpop]

Establishing causal effect is a very high bar in Science. When it comes to things like smoking, a high correlation is enough to establish that one should not smoke. Sure, you might live to 93, but the statistics show you are more likely to die earlier, much earlier, from diseases that arise frequently in smokers; the big ones being heart disease and cancer.

The stinkies are bad, mmmkay?

 

[mare ze dotes]

I read today that we should not rinse our chicken parts. It spreads the bacteria about the kitchen . Just put it in the pan and bake.

 

[Penn]

Living in a civilised country is what causes cancer

Smoking Helps Protect Against Lung Cancer -- Health & Wellness -- Sott.net

I'll read that later but it reminds me of what I used to say to people giving me grief over smoking. "Smoking puts a coating of tar over the lungs which protects a person from pollution." I actually started to wonder if this was true about one month into vaping.

I was doing some work in a place with cockroaches. One employee sprayed a roach in a small room we were in. I started coughing a lot and it hurt to take a puff for about an hour after that. I had been in rooms with more pungent aerosols than that and no problems when I was a smoker.