Two things that puzzle me. Who has the answer?

[Thepinfamily]

I have two questions. During my short two month honeymoon with vaping I have noticed everyone refers to the vaper we inhale and blow out as water vaper. I hear and read people say all the time "its just water vaper", is this correct? Its a combination of PG and VG not to mention the nicotine and flavoring. I'm sure they all have a large water content but its not water. Do the other parts burn off just leaving water? Just curious and hoping someone with more knowledge on the subject in shine some light on it for me.

Next question is about hardware prices. The price difference between cartomizers and atomizers puzzles me. Atomizers are almost always twice the price of empty cartomizers. Why is that? It seems like it should be the other way around. Am I missing something? Isn't a cartomizers basically a atomizer with more parts?

I hope these are not stupid question. But I don't know the answers to them.

 

[gthompson]

You breath in PG/VG/Nic/flavorings... what you breath out is mostly just vapor.

 

[MiamiMom63]

No question is stupid. Atomizers usually last longer than cartomizers, so they cost more.

 

[gthompson]

A cartomizer has an atomizer, but it's not the same quality atomizer as a dripping atomizer.

 

[MiamiMom63]

Plus the filler in cartomizers start getting all gunked up and you start getting nasty flavor and a real tight draw and have to throw it out sooner than an atomizer.

 

[Cjax]

I can tell you this. My wife is a nurse and they started testing the employees at her hospital for nicotine, the results of which would greatly effect the type of insurance they could recieve. I chain vape and have for over a year since I started vaping, everywhere. In the house, in the car, everywhere. So, needless to say, she was very nervous (to say the least) about her test, and I was nervous about my future and where vaping fit in to it. Pleased to say her tests came back completely negative for nicotine, and I keep blowing clouds on the couch right next to her, though she maintains her right to still complain about it as well, lol.

 

[four2109]

I'm sure you've noticed that the "vapor" hangs in the air and carries a slight scent of the flavoring. Sometimes it's better to use your own judgement than believe everything on internet forums.
Actually atomizers have a ceramic cup below and a metal frame with the mesh above the coil. Cartomizers are a coil and polyfill. But yeah, the price difference bugs me too.

 

[Thepinfamily]

Great answers everyone. The quality differences make perfect sense but I suspect the life expectancy has a lot to do with the price difference. As far as the water vapor goes, that sounds like sugar coating to me. The lungs are not so efficient that they filter out everything you inhale and expel only water vaper. If I hit a burnt carto my wife can smell it the second I exhale. She can also smell when I'm vaping strawberry. Sounds good though. Thanks for the answers everyone.

 

[Tanti]

There was a small study done in I think it was Italy, they put vapers in a small room think there were 8 of them, tested the air quality and they found no nicotine in the air. The did find PG in the air. But since PG is used in medical devices all the time in lung treatments that is no big deal. Where as the room that had smokers in it they found all kinds of nasty stuff, and the filters were dark brown, but the filter from the vapers room had nothing on the filter was still white like it started.

 

[MiamiMom63]

I've heard they put PG in the a.c. Filters in hospitals to reduce the bacteria or something in the air. I don't know if that's true but I've read something to that effect. All I know is every single person in my office got sick last year EXCEPT me. Lol. I was wondering if possibly my vaping helped. Lol.

 

[MiamiMom63]

They are also supposed to be doing a study of the air quality at Vapebash in March. That should be real interesting because that room should be a big fog. Lol.

 

[Tanti]

I've heard they put PG in the a.c. Filters in hospitals to reduce the bacteria or something in the air. I don't know if that's true but I've read something to that effect. All I know is every single person in my office got sick last year EXCEPT me. Lol. I was wondering if possibly my vaping helped. Lol.

Yes that is true, PG has a natrual germacide property. They are doing studies right now in how it can be used as a prophylactic cutting down on how many people get flu and bacterias. I wouldnt be suprized that it did help you from getting sick.

 

[MiamiMom63]

Yea, it's a small law firm. There's about 8 of us and I literally was the only one that didn't get sick.

 

[borderdan]

I spoke with a chemist and a very small percentage of e-liquid and the vapor is actual H2O. On the other hand he said the ingredients are about as safe as artificial sweetener. Not much long term study done but no foreseeable problems. In regards to atomizers, they are more expensive than cartomizers but cheaper than clearomizer tanks. I think thats about right in relation to their usefulness.

 

[SissySpike]

I once read the vapor coming out was water there was some rigamarole explanation about how this took place. From experience there is a haze on my wind shield from Vaping so I dont buy it. I do believe what we exhale is harmless but I dont buy its water vapor ether.

 

[Unc1987]

I hear people say that pg, vg, and flavoring is all approved to be eaten so its not bad. This confuses me...we aren't eating it. We are inhaling it, and many if us including myself are doing so in very high concentrated amounts. I personally don't feel like it could be good for you, just not as bad as smoking. Hopefully we'll hear some really good news from some research one day.

 

[J.R. Bob Dobbs]

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that should answer every question you have.

atty's are more $$ because they will last a lot longer than a cartomizer.

 

[Thepinfamily]

I dont dispute the vapor is much better for you than smoking. I completely agree with it or I wouldnt be doing it. I only doubted it would be classified as water vapor. When I boil a pot of water I see water vapor. It acts very different than my e-cig vapor. You will never convince me there is anything in vaping as dangerous as smoking. All the proof I need is how my body feels after switching from analog to electronic. That is indisputable proof to me. The studies at vaporbash will show this I believe.
I hate to see claims like this being perpetuated. Someone said it, then someone read it and repeated it without thinking about it. When I first started vaping this is a claim i read so many times I thought it to be true. After all you can't put stuff on the internet thats not true.....Right? Once I started learning more about ingredients and vaping myself I realized its not possible. Everyone wants so bad for ecigs to be all good so they tend paint roses and rainbows around the subject. I think some fear they will find out they made a bad decision to start vaping (i dont believe this so dont start lynching) and some fear the big bad FDA will catch wind of a e-cig negative and use it against us. Everything here gets sugarcoated and god forbid you say something negative about e-cigs, you get lynched. Fear not, e-cigs are great. They are helping thousands of people and the number will change to millions of people in time. We sound ignorant when we sugar coat the facts and discount any possible negatives simply because we dont want to hear them. Fear not, e-cigs are good enough to stand on their own merit. If there are any negatives they are greatly outweighed by the positives. Let all the facts come to light so we (and noobs looking for info) are educated. Use your own brain and question everything you read. The battle with the FDA will not be won on sugarcoating and rainbows, it will be won with facts. I can see the FDA using statements like "E-cig users have clearly been led to believe they are only inhaling water vapor......more studies need to be done" (reference internet forums here). You all deserve the facts, don't cheat yourselves out of them.

 

[Trick]

PG and VG are water-based. So, yes, while there are other things in the vapor, and it is not 100% water, "water vapor" is a relatively accurate description of what it is.

It may be somewhat more accurate to call it vegetable oil vapor, though.

 

[yzer]

No doubt I'll be burnt at the ECF stake for writing this.

Most of the nicotine in your E-juice will be exhaled into the surrounding atmosphere. Vaping nicotine is much less efficient than smoking nicotine.

What you inhale by vaping is water vapor plus Glycerin and/or Propylene Glyccol depending on your e-juice.

On the plus side your exhaled vapor will contain nicotine. If you vape expensive WTA juices your exhaled gasses will contain other addictive and psychoactive compounds.

As far as flavoring ingredients go... nobody knows what the hell effect these artificial ingredients have on the lungs or nasal passages. Most of these flavorings have been tested for ingestion and not inhalation. A birthday cake is not an e-cigarette. You takes your chances when you do this.

(Myself, I do unflavored nicotine and VG only).