UK community association

[Perfectionist]

I would be SO up for that. Have to say, I find the "ignore" function on here so useful when it comes to Perfectionist

My magnificent words of wit and wisdom, are for the minority of Vapers out there, who are of above average intelligence ..... naturally this does not include you does it now Skely !! ..... (Although I know you read every word and wish you had the skill and education to respond !!)

 

[Perfectionist]

Hifi,you don't know what your missing ! Roly can i have Spikeys job for that tv show ?

The gesture is appreciated ..... but I'd much prefer a highly experienced and big-breasted female like Spikey !!

 

[Toby]

Always nice to see Mr P's positive thinking, high intellect, support, and modesty...

 

[ckc]

Wow Perfy,i'm shocked that you would lower the guard down so far as to actually say what you like

This thread shouldn't go any lower

 

[Perfectionist]

Always nice to see Mr P's positive thinking, high intellect, support, and modesty...

We need Money and Lawyers ..... why are you lot so against this ??

Don't wanna open ya wallets to protect something you love and need ??

 

[ckc]

Perfy,i'm not sure that anyone is against this but until something is set up to deal with this it's on a back foot.I'd rather every vendor adds a certain percentage/amount onto everything but then that would go into ECITA coffers ???

 

[Rusty]

The barebones of an organisation needs to be set up asap, to promote vaping to smokers and other interested parties as neutral consumers with no vested interests in the e-cig business. Money is less important than the time that people need to devote to 'spreading the word'.

A co-ordinated approach is needed to enable us (the consumers) to be seen as a sizeable body of people, rather than a few scattered groups. Getting representatives from the scattered groups willing to give their time to planning the co-ordinated approach needs to be done quickly, to maximise our impact.

I have no experience of organising this type of cooperative BUT I am willing to give it a go if I get the support and help of a few key people.

Like I said earlier, money is not important at this early, vital planning stage, BUT I am again willing to put in a few quid to produce resources and move the organisation on in the medium term.


Rusty

 

[rolygate]

........ Which is why I’m shocked you’re allowing yourself to be associated with, of all people, ...[etc]...

You considering this is especially surprising as there are far better alternatives right here, at your fingertips ...... there is somebody in the UK who is the exact opposite of ...[etc]... .... a man who is down-to-earth, honest and humble ..... a man who is liked and trusted by everyone ..... this man is, the one and only, [name removed to prevent embarrassment at being approved of by P.] !!

It gets better Roly, we also have another legend among us ..... a man who has been trying to get a similar thing off the ground for ages ...[etc etc]... this man is, our shining Northern Star, [name removed to prevent embarrassment at being approved of by P.] !!

Surely you’d be better off joining forces with these two fine gents ..... rather than the ...[more etc]...

Perfy old chap, I haven't joined forces with anyone. I am simply going to present my viewpoint on the excellent VTTV show on Monday.

I tend to agree with you that the spokesperson for a consumer association should be presentable and media-savvy, like Andy/smoke2vape for example. The unfortunate truth is that Hifi and myself are not of a conventional appearance in modern media terms, although 150 years ago it may be possible that I would have better fit the requirements: I'm an old sailor and look like it.

As regards the people who may or may not become involved with any new UK consumer association that may or may not be formed in the coming weeks, so far only Hifi, Rusty and myself have thrown our hats in the ring. All are more than welcome as even an ad hoc committee of three is not really a recipe for success. I am simply hoping that by next week a few more people will have somehow, somewhere piped up and said they're in.

As I have repeated several times, I'm too old, knackered, cynical, and with the wrong media image to want to take any prominent part in this in the long term. However I've done this so many times before that there is no need for me to have to ask questions about what comes next or how to do it; so it would be churlish of me to refuse to help. If necessary I'll hang in there till somebody takes the job off my hands.

So in short: it needs to be done, it needs to be done fast, few so far have expressed any desire to help, I've done it before so I'll run with it as long as I'm needed.

The most important thing right now is that I wish to lodge a complaint about the professional conduct of the doctor involved in the Gateshead death with the GMC, and it would be far better coming from a community association than from an individual. If people want to support us then they should step forward now.

 

[hifistud]

Has he had another pop at me, then? Fine - if he's slagging me off he'll be leaving other folks alone.

For completeness, I'm pretty much not the conventional media face - of this I'm aware, and I'm way too old to change now. And in terms of Monday's show - it's a platform, which, hopefully, will attract the right people to front the whole thing. Obviously a savvy lawyer would be a great addition to the team, although I suspect that Perfectionist won't step up and do the deed instead of merely slagging of those who are, at least, trying to do something...

 

[alltah]

Well to add to the hats in the ring i throw mine in. Tim21080 on UKV and alltah here on ECF

so where do we go from here to get things moving ?

 

[rolygate]

Good job. Please email either me, Hifi or Rusty and we'll talk about what's next. My email is:
chris[AT]e-cigarette-forum[DOT]com
.....you can't PM me as I had to block that since 99.9% of the PMs I got were for Angus, the Forum Manager. You can PM Rusty or Hifi though, or contact Hifi via VTTV -
www.vapourtrails.tv/?p=868

I think soon we will be publishing a list of email contacts so that interested parties can stay in touch. The way things should work out is that we will have an open discussion on VTTV Monday night, you can get Hifi on chat during that, I think? (Maybe we can get the chat URL in this thread, and if you should arrange a login first.) Or alternatively we could use ECF live chat, so people can throw questions at Hifi.

Then with luck the next thing to do would be to schedule a skype conference one evening from Tuesday onward, so that all who want to help can take part in a general meeting. That will be advertised in this thread.

You could maybe start a thread on UKV to make sure people know what is being planned.

And -- thanks

 

[hifistud]

I'll have the chat open during the show, and we can field questions from there - possibly best to log-in to VTTV, but a facebook account gets you in, too...

 

[THV]

I'll have the chat open during the show, and we can field questions from there - possibly best to log-in to VTTV, but a facebook account gets you in, too...

Yup - just to confirm that there will be a chat facility adjacent to the video stream on the VTTV site here: Live Broadcast . You can either create an account on vapourtrails.tv | ...... putting u back into vapor ...... or use your Facebook account to participate in the chat, or simply watch without logging in.

Looking forward to it

 

[Perfectionist]

Wow Perfy,i'm shocked that you would lower the guard down so far as to actually say what you like

This thread shouldn't go any lower

Don’t blame me dude, it was Roly who was the instigator, twisted fire starter !!

(Between you and me, I’m actually getting a little worried about him ..... he’s envisaging Sado-masochistic Orgies, putting Smilies in his posts, ffs he’s even started saying Dude !! ..... What next, is he gonna start making up silly nicknames for people ?? ..... ECF is doomed I tell thee !!)

 

[Perfectionist]

Perfy,i'm not sure that anyone is against this but until something is set up to deal with this it's on a back foot.I'd rather every vendor adds a certain percentage/amount onto everything but then that would go into ECITA coffers ???

Giving “extra” money to the Vendors/ECITA would be a waste ..... we need a totally independent organisation (like this one will hopefully be) to mitigate any and all accusations of this fight being merely a bunch of greedy business’s trying to protect their investment and profits .....

 

[Perfectionist]

The jobs a good un !! Go RuStar !!

The barebones of an organisation needs to be set up asap, to promote vaping to smokers and other interested parties as neutral consumers with no vested interests in the e-cig business. Money is less important than the time that people need to devote to 'spreading the word'.

A co-ordinated approach is needed to enable us (the consumers) to be seen as a sizeable body of people, rather than a few scattered groups. Getting representatives from the scattered groups willing to give their time to planning the co-ordinated approach needs to be done quickly, to maximise our impact.

Spreading the word is great and absolutely necessary, but you have to be realistic ..... Vaping isn’t going to pick up 5 million converts over the next year, no matter how hard you try dude. Plus you already know how pathetically indifferent current Vapers are .....

I hope you do try making inroads with the big Retailers, Tobacco Companies and of course the Government Rusty ...... “lobbying” the right people/departments will reap huge rewards .....

Also, and call me crazy, but how about trying to convert some Celebrities who are known Smokers ..... foxy Katherine Heigl did more for Vaping with 5 minutes on the Letterman Show, than everything the Housewives from CASAA have achieved ..... (or will ever achieve!)

By the way, the Public and the Media love a good old fashioned, salt-of-the-earth Teacher ..... make sure you take full advantage !!

I have no experience of organising this type of cooperative BUT I am willing to give it a go if I get the support and help of a few key people.

Like I said earlier, money is not important at this early, vital planning stage, BUT I am again willing to put in a few quid to produce resources and move the organisation on in the medium term.

You’re right about not focussing on the money just yet dude, but you must make it a priority once you’re fully organised and up to speed ..... this WILL go to Law eventually and we need to be prepared ..... just the fact that funds are finally being raised and a Law Firm has been officially appointed, will make the Anti's decidedly nervous ..... not to mention having the benefit of their advice going forward ..... the muthas will only take notice of us if there are consequences !!

The petition Kate v1.0 started got about 5,000 signatures ...... no doubt there are plenty more Vapers in the UK but we can safely say that this is the number who are “dedicated” to Vaping .....

5,000 peeps donating as little as 20 squid a month would raise enough to get the ball rolling ..... I doubt it will happen of course ..... what can I say, I’m dreamer man, but I’m not the only one !!

 

[Perfectionist]

Perfy old chap, I haven't joined forces with anyone. I am simply going to present my viewpoint on the excellent VTTV show on Monday.

After a few dozen people hear you talk on Geordie-Trails (please use the opportunity to try and educate HiFi a little dude!) ..... I do hope you go kick Igetcha up the @rse and get him to do a similar interview with you and Rusty on his YouTube channel, which bajillions of Vapers will see .....

I tend to agree with you that the spokesperson for a consumer association should be presentable and media-savvy, like Andy/smoke2vape for example. The unfortunate truth is that Hifi and myself are not of a conventional appearance in modern media terms, although 150 years ago it may be possible that I would have better fit the requirements: I'm an old sailor and look like it.

Come on geez, can ya blame me for making fun of Hifi-Spud, there’s just so much material !!

Looks are incredibly important for the marketing of E-cigs ..... but for a Consumers Association it's even better if you have a degree of maturity, being a distinguished gentlemen who has served in the Navy brings a lot of kudos and credibility .....

As regards the people who may or may not become involved with any new UK consumer association that may or may not be formed in the coming weeks, so far only Hifi, Rusty and myself have thrown our hats in the ring. All are more than welcome as even an ad hoc committee of three is not really a recipe for success. I am simply hoping that by next week a few more people will have somehow, somewhere piped up and said they're in.

As I have repeated several times, I'm too old, knackered, cynical, and with the wrong media image to want to take any prominent part in this in the long term. However I've done this so many times before that there is no need for me to have to ask questions about what comes next or how to do it; so it would be churlish of me to refuse to help. If necessary I'll hang in there till somebody takes the job off my hands.

So in short: it needs to be done, it needs to be done fast, few so far have expressed any desire to help, I've done it before so I'll run with it as long as I'm needed.

What the hell, I’ve embarrassed Russ and Scott, may as well nail you too .....

Dude, you’re the intellectual backbone of ECF ..... and ECF is the backbone of Vaping worldwide ..... which makes you errrr pretty damn intellectual with a big frikkin backbone ??

Um, wait, let me start again .....

The fact you have so much experience, and are so very cynical, is why you are so damn essential ..... constantly being aware of the worst case scenario prevents carelessness and surprise attacks ..... which is what they will be counting on ..... being ex-military, you already know that right bro .....

I say this quite sincerely Roly, you have a remarkable sense of dignity, honour and integrity which is so strong that it translates even across the interwebz through these poxy little pixels, in person you must be even more impressive .....

You have the respect of a bajillion members on this forum, and without you I doubt this thing will get off the ground ..... you really do need to be a permanent fixture in this Association Roly, just like you are with ECF ..... if you don’t want to take the leading role then you must at least be a stalwart 2iC .....

Ya gotta be in it, to win it !!

The most important thing right now is that I wish to lodge a complaint about the professional conduct of the doctor involved in the Gateshead death with the GMC, and it would be far better coming from a community association than from an individual. If people want to support us then they should step forward now.

Precisely, this is where a C.A. would come in to it’s own ..... and have far more impact than a Trade Organisation .....

But .....

The Medical fraternity in the UK is quickly adopting the Yank Health Care Model ..... i.e. Doctors becoming little more than Drug Dealers for the Pharma Companies .....

The BBC is one of the best broadcasters in the World, but of course it ain't perfect ..... being funded by the Government through our beloved TV “Tax” .....

We know where their loyalties lie, so please word the complaint very carefully Roly !!


One other tiny little thing ..... surely this is a time for solidarity, Vaping needs as many people on side as possible ..... maybe, just maybe, you could look in to oooverturning some of the YankoMods decisions regarding the banishment of people ..... why not start fresh and bring everybody back so we can be one big happy family ?? It would be a beautiful thing dude !!

PS: Where the hell is Smokey, has he thrown in the towel or something ??

 

[THV]

I know I'm new here and all, but it does look as though you're a bit wrapped up in this personal agenda you've got with Hifi Perfectionist.

 

[Perfectionist]

Has he had another pop at me, then?

Not having a pop Skely, merely pointing out some home truths ..... ..... now if you care about Vaping, and I mean really care, you’d accept your limitations and understand you come with baggage which could cause damage (and I don’t mean your unconventional face!) ..... ya see, Vaping hasn’t exactly attracted the finest minds in the land, so they will dutifully follow the guidance of anyone who takes on the status of Shepherd ..... as much as you want it to be HiFi, you are not the Shepherd Vaping needs ..... Kate v1.0 led everyone down the wrong path, and most likely, so would you .....

However, you did originally want to be part of ECITA, so why not persuade Kate v2.0 to let you get involved in an official capacity, she needs all the help she can get, and seeing as you’re both best buddies, perhaps you can talk a little sense in to her ..... if you can help her understand how important details are, and how carefully she should tread, then you would be an invaluable asset ..... she desperately needs the supervision of somebody with a few years under their belt, to balance out her naivety and inexperience .....

Fine - if he's slagging me off he'll be leaving other folks alone.

Only the people doing a disservice to Vaping will suffer my linguistic comedy wrath !! The Good Guys (yes there are a few!) have my utmost admiration .....

For completeness, I'm pretty much not the conventional media face - of this I'm aware, and I'm way too old to change now.

Exactly, so give the earring a rest matey .....

And in terms of Monday's show - it's a platform, which, hopefully, will attract the right people to front the whole thing.

Excellent, hopefully you will promote the Consumers Association and not the Dave Dorn Agenda .....

Obviously a savvy lawyer would be a great addition to the team, although I suspect that Perfectionist won't step up and do the deed instead of merely slagging of those who are, at least, trying to do something...

I’m afraid I’ve moved on from evil Lawyering, to even more evil Bankering, so no longer have the support or resources of a Law Firm behind me, which is what will be required, sooner or later ..... however, in between the ample satire, you will quite clearly witness a great deal of savvy Legal insight ..... mixed with an intimate understanding of Corporate shenanigans ..... so far though, much more knowledgeable peeps, seem to think I’m simply being a negative .... ..... god bless em !!

PS: You doing "something" is all well and good, as long as that "something" is actually helping and not harming ..... perhaps (although I can't be certain just yet!) you will try and be on the right side of the fence from now on ?!

 

[Perfectionist]

I know I'm new here and all, but it does look as though you're a bit wrapped up in this personal agenda you've got with Hifi Perfectionist.

Not just Hifi, quite a few others too ..... somebody has to put them right !!

Perfectionist Out !!