unregulated mech mod vs vw/vv

[jmc1980]

i have used many high end mech mods and high end vw/vv devices since i started vaping 3 years ago, and never smoked again. for the last year i have vaped exclusively on my nemesis 30 26650 mod with an authentic velocity or kennedy competition tank at .15 ohms. my last vw/vv device was a vapor flask yihi sx350j 100 watts. i seem to get more vapor with the nemesis 30 with a nmke than the vapor flask at 100 watts!! i have been looking at the wismec reuleaux dna 200 as my next purchase since it goes to 200 watts. i just don't want to buy it and not notice any real benefit over the mech mod. i need some advise from those of you who own(ed) the wismec reuleaux dna 200. is it better than some of the "best" (26650) mech mods or am i just wasting my money and i should stick with the mech mods? bottom line is i want the most vapor possible.

 

[bwh79]

.15 ohms [...] i seem to get more vapor with the nemesis 30 with a nmke than the vapor flask at 100 watts!!

Well at full charge of 4.2v with .15 ohms, you're getting around 116 watts, so that's not surprising. Even allowing for voltage drop and calling it 4v even that's still 106 watts right out the gate. Of course it will taper off little by little as the battery drains with each hit you take, but that's the nature of a mech mod.

wismec reuleaux dna 200. is it better than some of the "best" (26650) mech mods or am i just wasting my money and i should stick with the mech mods?

Well it will allow you to go up to 200 watts (250 with the firmware upgrade, I believe), and it will allow you to do it with a wider variety of coils than with a mech mod. On a mech mod, the wattage you get is based on what coil you build, and what you get is what you get. On the RX, or any regulated device, you can set it to whatever wattage you want, and you can pump those watts through a big coil or a small coil or a fat coil or a skinny coil...the possibilities are endless. With the Reuleaux, you could build all the way up to .4, crank it up to 200 watts, and hit 'er with 9 volts of power. Or you could turn it down and run that .4 with only 2.8 volts at 20 watts if that's what you enjoy. On a mech mod, you don't get that choice. On a mech mod, a .4 build gets you about 40-30 watts as your battery drains from full charge, and that's all you can do with that coil.

bottom line is i want the most vapor possible.

Yeah, you're probably best off with a VW device, then. Build the biggest coil you can fit in your atomizer (that's still within range for max wattage, for example the RX200 goes up to 9 volts so .4 and under can hit 200 watts. A DNA200 mod with 2x 18650 batteries can do up to 133 watts, and with a cap of 6 volts it can hit the max wattage up to .48 ohms, etc.), and crank it up as high as it will go.

 

[NealBJr]

^^^What he said^^^

I don't own any 26650 mods, mainly 18650 mods. I will say one thing.... most of the older mods had an amp limit, and lower than what you think. I have an old sigeli 100, and a new Cuboid 150...both are two battery mods, and the cuboid can support lower ohms, providing higher amps, and still stay within battery safety limits.

Using Ohms Law Calculator, if you put a .15 ohm coil in a Releaux, it would put out 5.4 volts @200 watts...something your 26650 mech can't do.

looking at the tech specs of the SX350 chip, it looks like it was designed for around 50w operation. Usually they can get around the wattage limit, but usually the amp limit stays the same. the SX350 had a 25 amp limit. So, going back to Ohms Law calculator, I plugged in the amp limit, with the .15 ohm coil, and it will fire at about 3.7 volts, 93.75 amps... So your 26650 definately would provide a warmer vape.

I can't find the maximum amp limit of the RX200, but I am fairly confident it's over 33. (you're using 28 amps in your current setup on a fresh charge)

Overall, I think you won't be disapointed with it. It's a powerhouse of a mod, and a good bargain. The DNA version is still good, and a bit better of a chip as far as customizing goes, but for me, it's not worth the extra price.

 

[jmc1980]

thanks to bwh79 and NealBJr for the advise. it cleared up my questions about mech mod vs vw/vv. i have decided to purchase the wismec reuleaux dna 200. the biggest reason is the 3 replaceable 18650 batteries. not an internal battery that when dead needs charging and i can't use the unit for a while (i don't care if it's a couple of minutes or a couple of hours, it's a pain in the ....).

 

[jmc1980]

by the way, does anyone know what 3 18650 batteries are the best match for the wismec reuleaux dna 200. do i need a certain amp output. i have 2 types of NEW 18650 batteries. LG HG 3000mah 20A and LG HB6 1500mah 30A.

 

[KenD]

Note that you need three new batteries of the same model, and always use them together (i.e. marry them). Three 20 amp batteries (LG hg2, Samsung 30q, or Sony vtc6 for the highest mAh) are good for about 180w. For the full 200w Sony vtc4 (23 amps) would probably be the best choice. For more than that (not sure if the wiring of the rx200 can properly handle 250w) you need true 30 amp batteries, LG hb2, hb4, or hb6, but you'll be limited to 1500 mAh per battery (compared to the 2100 mAh of the vtc4 and the 3000 mAh of the mentioned 20 amp batteries).

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[Hightech Redneck]

I use LG hg2 in my rx200. And I am very happy with mine and have had 0 issues.
Only reason I'm chiming in is you said the DNA 200. The rx200 will do 250 watts but the DNA version is the standard evolv DNA 200 board so only 200 watts.
I do not own a DNA device but I do know to get the best performance and battery life you will need to adjust the device with your computer and escribe.
The standard rx200 is a bit more plug and play and the 200s has a larger screen but due to firmware the 200s stops at 200watts.
Hope this helps.

 

[Baditude]

One important point to bring up concerning regulated vs mechanical mods is that of protection circuitry. The only protection you have in a mechanical is what is between your ears.

Generally speaking, you probably don't need 30 amp batteries for a regulated mod. Good 20 amp batteries with reputable specs will suffice unless you are vaping extremely high wattage. Calculating battery current draw for a regulated mod

18650 Battery Safety Grades -- Picking a Safe Cell to Vape With​

Presently, conventional wisdom is to "marry" sets of batteries to keep each battery equal over time. Battery marriage...needed or not? Testing starts soon.

 

[Completely Average]

I use LG hg2 in my rx200. And I am very happy with mine and have had 0 issues.
Only reason I'm chiming in is you said the DNA 200. The rx200 will do 250 watts but the DNA version is the standard evolv DNA 200 board so only 200 watts.
I do not own a DNA device but I do know to get the best performance and battery life you will need to adjust the device with your computer and escribe.
The standard rx200 is a bit more plug and play and the 200s has a larger screen but due to firmware the 200s stops at 200watts.
Hope this helps.

The downside of the Releaux (Both DNA200 and RX200 versions) is that the 510 connector SUCKS, is easily damaged by atomizers with long posts, and isn't covered under warranty if you damage it with a non-Wismec atomizer. If you buy one be VERY careful with what tanks and atomizers you put on it, and never torque them down tightly.

Also the RX200 chip sort of sucks. It's not particularly accurate, doesn't drain batteries evenly, should NEVER use USB charging on it, and isn't very efficient so battery life isn't as long as it should be for a 3 battery mod.


If you've got the money to spend, a FAR better mod is the Lost Vape Triade. Similar form factor to the Releaux, but fixes everything that was wrong with the Releaux. The 510 connector is center mounted, stainless steel, and much deeper so you won't have any problems getting any atomizer to fit. It's a DNA200 chip inside so it's extremely accurate and far more customizable. It has true balanced charging so if you want or need to you can charge it via USB, although it's still going to be slow.

And it looks a heck of a lot nicer than the Releaux.

They seem to be going for around $140, but if you do a bit of searching you can always find a good deal. Ecig.com has them for just $118 if you use the coupon code ILOVEYOU.

 

[jmc1980]

i need some advise on setting up my new wismec reuleaux dna200 with escribe. i have watched videos on youtube and it looks pretty straight forward. however, i can't seem to get the device to be linked up with either my mac or pc. any advise on how to get my new unit to register with my computer would be appreciated.

 

[NealBJr]

i need some advise on setting up my new wismec reuleaux dna200 with escribe. i have watched videos on youtube and it looks pretty straight forward. however, i can't seem to get the device to be linked up with either my mac or pc. any advise on how to get my new unit to register with my computer would be appreciated.

Sorry, I don't have the DNA version, I have the RX version. However, I would make sure you first check the cable. Make sure the cable is one that transfers data, and not just power. If you have a later windows version, make sure it shows that something connected to it before launching the software. Other than that, I can't say unless I'm there.