Upgrading from a Riva, does the product I want exist?

[JudgeVape]

As much as I have enjoyed my month so far with the Riva, especially since starting to use Cisco 306 2.0 atomizers and an XL drip tip, I am seeking more powerful vaping. However, I am not entirely sure what direction to go.

Here is what I think I am looking for:

1. I want a device to take with me wherever I go so it cannot be all that large. I want to be able to stuff it into a pants pocket or a small case. As cool as some of the larger "flashlight" mods appear to be, they are just too large for my needs right now. I am more concerned about length than girth but I don't want something that is huge around the middle either. I don't have an automatic preference for cylindrical versus box designs or vice versa since I have never held either so far.

2. VV seems nice but the VV devices I have seen (such as the ProVari) are just too big. I am leaning towards a 3.7 device.

3. I like dripping and plan to continue doing so as my primary means of vaping. I switch flavors often. As such, I am not interested in devices such as the Reo designed around a bottle feeder.

4. Cost is not really an issue with me. I am not opposed to something over $100.

Just from looking around, it seems like a device designed around a 14500 battery may be a direction I might want to go. The Provape-1, for example, has caught my eye. Yes, it is bigger than my Riva by a pretty good bit but it doesn't seem too big from the pictures.

Anyway, with the information above, can anyone make some recommendations?

Also, will going to a 14500 or other 3.7 battery device really big all that much of an improvement over a Riva/eGo type device in terms of overall performance?

Thanks in advance for any suggestions!

 

[WomanOfHeart]

Going to any 3.7V device will be a huge improvement over the Riva/eGo type batteries. You may not think that going from 3.2 to 3.7 would make a difference but it does, especially when using LR attys. The vapor is warmer and more dense and the flavor really comes out.

Perhaps taking a look at this will help narrow down the field for you:

The Mod Buyer's Guide

The only mods I own are the Chameleon and the Indulgence. I love them both, but the Chameleon would be the only one to pass the "pocket test." The only problem is that they're incredibly difficult to find now. The Indulgence won't pass the "pocket test" because the button does extend slightly from the body. It will, however, fit into a small case and the kit I got even comes with one, although I'm not sure if it will be what you're looking for.

You can also vape at 3.7V, 5V (with the PT), and 6V just for variety.

Both mods have extension sleeves. You can use the short one for travel/convenience and the longer one for larger, longer lasting batteries. Both also have PT options, which is really nice in the car or in front of the computer.

 

[Java_Az]

3.7 devices are not truly 3.7 volts. They are called that because of the nominal voltage rating of the battery. Protected li ion batteries go from fully charged 4.2 volts to protection kicking in @ 2.75 volts. So i reality your only going to be @ 3.7 volts for a dozen or so hits off the PV. 14500 batteries are only 700mah so your not going to gain any time between charges with one( li ions Rated @ 900mah are simply just the battery company lying to you ) . straight off the charger and under load the voltage will be around 3.8 volts. It will drop pretty quick. So thinking a 3.7 volt device is going to be @ 3.7 threw the whole range of the battery charge is false. For smallness your going to find that it is going to be hard to beat a riva or ego style battery.

 

[Liv2Ski]

I have been very happy with the proVape-1. It is well built and not all that big. Also this thing drives a Cisco 306 LR 1.5 very nicely.

 

[DC2]

I was looking for exactly what you are looking for, and found it in the Bartleby.

It uses a 3.7v 14500 battery, has an on/off switch, and a USB charger/passthru built in.
Dimensions are 2 1/2" by 1 1/4" and it is almost too small, but then I have big hands.


I use it for going out at night when I can't drag along my Chucks.

 

[chainvapor]

The Riva actually is 3.7V unlike the EGO which runs at about 3.2V fully charged. I love my Riva, but I use a prodigy V3 at 6V when I need a kick in the pants! It is entirely mechanical (no switches or wires to fail) which was why I loved it so much. It is a performer like nothing else I have purchased. I also have a Saber Touch, but it is No good for carrying with you, it is way too big. It is nice around the house though. But overall, unless you are going to make the jump to 5V or 6V then the Riva you have is the best you are going to get IMHO. If you really want to try HV vaping, just purchase a LR atty and try it out. Then decide if it is right for you. Just stay away from the Joye510 LR atties, I got 3 and they all tasted like crap. You will probably want to go with a different brand like Boge or DSE. Just a suggestion though.

CV

 

[DC2]

The Riva actually is 3.7V unlike the EGO which runs at about 3.2V fully charged.

Only if you get the new Riva SE batteries, though, right?

 

[Java_Az]

It is entirely mechanical (no switches

No Switch??? How do you turn it on to vape.

 

[beetlespin]

3.7 devices are not truly 3.7 volts. They are called that because of the nominal voltage rating of the battery. Protected li ion batteries go from fully charged 4.2 volts to protection kicking in @ 2.75 volts. So i reality your only going to be @ 3.7 volts for a dozen or so hits off the PV. 14500 batteries are only 700mah so your not going to gain any time between charges with one( li ions Rated @ 900mah are simply just the battery company lying to you ) . straight off the charger and under load the voltage will be around 3.8 volts. It will drop pretty quick. So thinking a 3.7 volt device is going to be @ 3.7 threw the whole range of the battery charge is false. For smallness your going to find that it is going to be hard to beat a riva or ego style battery.

Yup 3.7 is good when fresh of a charger but it don't last long enough because it not regulateing volts .. Infact I think the ego" I don't have the riva" give more of constant hit over and over longer peroid of time THEN MY 3.7 3 aa 14500 BOX MOD did. For me size did not matter because I stop smoking and needs something that will full my need and ego was not bad but I wanted better hard more constant hits so provari is on ordered. Being able to regulate volts Is a Big + even over size imo.

I think the riva for your needs will be hard to beat Imo.

 

[wv2win]

I think you would be surprised at how good vaping is at the 5 volt level which many consider the ideal vaping power.

I would suggest you check out the GLV2 from Electronic Cigarettes and E-Liquid - Great Lakes Vapor . He has both 3.7 and 5 volt versions. Personally, an upgrade to me would be the 5 volt version but you have both options to consider.

 

[VPC]

Only if you get the new Riva SE batteries, though, right?

DC 2 no not just on the SE I recieved my Lite Bundle (non-SE) from LF and it had the new true 3.7 batteries.

Here is a pic of it I posted in another thread.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/ego-type-models/157700-ego-riva.html

 

[Buzzy]

With great excitement, I'm waiting on a GLV2 now. But it is more like what you said that you do not want - a bigger battery mod. However, the Indulgence and the Chameleon have been mentioned, and are not overly large. Also, you might take a look at the Roughstack from MadVapes. It's not pretty (literally 'rough'), but it is very solid and small - I can easily hide it in my fist, and I don't have large hands. The 18350 batteries are 1200 mah, and last quite a long time.

 

[JudgeVape]

Thanks for all the replies all. Much appreciated.

 

[DC2]

DC 2 no not just on the SE I recieved my Lite Bundle (non-SE) from LF and it had the new true 3.7 batteries.

So until the dust settles, it is going to be hard to know what voltage under load these types of batteries run.
And what complicates it further is some folks prefer the regulated 3.2v over the new declining 3.7v batteries.

Good times!!!

 

[Nisitiiapi]

It is a tough one. You might take a look at the Precise from Super-T. They are pretty small. Also, the Saber Touch Mini and the GLV2 mini and super mini are small. I think the BB from altsmoke is pretty small, too. The hard part with 3.7V, as mentioned, is finding something that is regulated and not just a direct voltage off the battery that will slowly die down as you vape. I haven't been able to find a regulated 3.7V mod --at least none that say they are regulated. That's the upside to VV -- the PVs are regulated for consistent voltage. In terms of size, the Infinity is about the size of a 1300mah Riva, just slightly longer. Not necessarily for the pocket, but it will fit in a small eGo case and you get a good consistent voltage until the battery discharges. Good luck.

 

[VPC]

DC2

Well I ordered another Lite Bundle over the weekend from LF and I also ordered a Ego 900mah battery (didn’t want the longer T) & cone. I realize the Ego is bigger mah so battery time will be longer. But will be interesting to see if I can see a vaping experience difference between the two different battery types Ego and the new Riva battery and will be using both of them over the following weeks. I will be rotating only between the Ego and the Riva battery as soon as they come in. Scottbee if I am understanding his posts correctly seems to be saying he likes the new 3.7 Riva battery better in his opinion. So will be interesting to see for myself if I can see a difference in the vaping experience though out the charge from start to finish of these two batteries and which I prefer. As of now I am real happy with the Riva 5.10 (& new revision 3.7v batt) and Boge 2.0ohm cartos.

Sorry Jfoobar didn't mean to hijack your thread.

 

[JudgeVape]

Not at all, VPC. I am very interested in these batteries as well.

 

[VPC]

Not at all, VPC. I am very interested in these batteries as well.

Ok great I don't feel bad now.


Jfoobar I think from what I have been reading so far if I have it correctly and is true it comes down to this. Would you rather have a true 3.7v vapor experience from the start for a while and a decline down to 3.25 volts over time where the Riva battery shut off is suppose to come on. Or would prefer to have a 3.2-3.4V volt vaping experience on the Ego battery though out the charge.

Given those two choices as of now I would prefer having some true 3.7v vapor experience for part of my vaping on a charge. I can always have the option to switch to another charged battery if I want when and if I detect a low enough drop in volts (imo) while vaping for more 3.7v vaping. Or if I am fine with it dropping to 3.2-3.4 volts after awhile then no need to change. But I will know for sure once my Ego battery comes in and I experience vaping with both batteries types.

Here is a couple quotes from others on another forum from a thread on the new Riva batteries about thier experiences with the new Riva batteries. It seems I am not allowed to post a link here because I tried and it doesn't link. Of course these are just two opinions I posted I am sure others will have different opinions on what they like and prefer.

Dated 2-5-2011

Just received my Riva (non-SE) from LF on Monday and the voltage off the charger is in fact 4.2V. I do not get consistant droops (sometimes takes it a couple of hours to fall below 3.2 and sometimes an hour.) May depend on my habits

no ones trying to sway you Kase, but for those of us that like our egos and rivas, the 0.5+ voltage bump is a plus. I tried my fog avs on my egos after going 3.7v on my rivas and it leaves a lot to be desired. Even after 5-6 hours on my riva, its still much more satisfying than a fresh ego.

 

[JudgeVape]

Yeah, I am leaning towards picking up a couple of Riva SE batts for now and buying a VV mod, probably a Provari. Yes, it is too damn big but it just doesn't sound like one of the fancier 3.7 mods is enough of an upgrade to justify the extra size and expense.

 

[BiancaMontgomery]

This is 3.1 inches long and does either 3.7v or 5v depending on what batteries you put in it. Does take the 14500's. Vaprlife - Products - Barebone Units