Upgrading from Ego and battery paranoia

[Frenchfry1942]

I am grateful for the VS rubber sleeves. If not a bit of juice, my own sweat makes many mods slippery.

Yes, the VS rDNA40 does come with a good battery. With the VS VF not and requiring two batts to purchase.

Somethings are good for an internal batt, but somethings aren't.

Going back to the OP, both mods are good quality mods, it is just something of a preference. A good quality mod has multiple reasons for it, others excelled at one good feature.

 

[SleeZy]

I gotta say ever since i started with mods and gained a newfound respect for batteries, i'm more paranoid about using a simple egos than i'm with my mods.
Seeing as they're IMR cells + if they vent i could possibily get the battery out in time and just toss it, or throw it away from me and let it run its course.

I've seen some egos that went bad and that looks more dangerous to me than IMRs. I've yet to had a battery vent on me and hopefully i never will either.

Since your still a rookie i would suggest subox kit which is basicly an all in one kit. You can try out rebuilding / cloud chasing / mouth to loung.
All you need to add is a pair of good batteries such as sony vtc4/5s and a good charger like xtar or nitecore.
I personally prefer switchable batteries vs inbuilt ones. And those who got inbuilt/internal batteries is usualy LIPOs. And you don't have to toss the device when the battery dies out after xxx charge cycles.

 

[WattWick]

Knowing how volatile the LiPo batteries of the RC crowd can be, is step one in realizing why we use IMR batteries instead

 

[Rucerius]

Knowing how volatile the LiPo batteries of the RC crowd can be, is step one in realizing why we use IMR batteries instead

I'm sure you're aware that there are already a number of devices that use a LiPo battery, the difference is we don't (currently at least) abuse them quite the same way the RC crowd does.

 

[GeorgeS]

Many or most of the regulated "mini" 30-40W mods have safety features built in, some have replaceable batteries and some will go down to 5-7W for use with a Clearomizer.

Going much higher in wattage on the high end begins to limit how low the mod will go on the low end.

 

[93gc40]

MOST if not All, battery failure in e cigarettes, I have heard of .. Were OPERATOR error. There is NO battery made that will protect from HUMAN caused failures. You EGO battery is NO safer than any other battery out there. In fact it could be said is it LESS safe.

 

[jeffjr464]

Finding it tough to beat Samsung 25r in my sig150w, great batteries, so far they can handle anything I throw at them from a 0.1 rda build to a 2.8 ohm ceramic skillet and everything in between

 

[SleeZy]

MOST if not All, battery failure in e cigarettes, I have heard of .. Were OPERATOR error. There is NO battery made that will protect from HUMAN caused failures. You EGO battery is NO safer than any other battery out there. In fact it could be said is it LESS safe.

I agree although an aged EGO can failure (or even new ones, looking at EVODS)
But as far as the known/reported ego failures has all been user error OR when it was charging on a WRONG charger, again human error. Which is quite easy for a beginner to make though. (Thinking about the one who used an apple usb adapter to charge his ego, most ppl thinks "its the same thing" but it's not)

Knowing how volatile the LiPo batteries of the RC crowd can be, is step one in realizing why we use IMR batteries instead

Indeed i've had a phone (un used for a long while due it was old) catching fire, wasn't as volatile as some videos out there. But i could have been.
Since then i've had huge respect for batteries and it's also why i always advocate for battery safety when it comes to vaping.
And this is also why i don't use mods with LiPos such as mvp series, i don't trust em. Esp due how hard some are pushing these mods, daily.

 

[Baditude]

Knowing how volatile the LiPo batteries of the RC crowd can be, is step one in realizing why we use IMR batteries instead

Yeah, the internal LiPoly batteries used in the popular iStick and MVP are not safe chemistry batteries.

MOST if not All, battery failure in e cigarettes, I have heard of .. Were OPERATOR error. There is NO battery made that will protect from HUMAN caused failures. You EGO battery is NO safer than any other battery out there. In fact it could be said is it LESS safe.

It's true, the eGo batteries are Li-Poly chemistry.

Personally, I purposely only use mods which use external batteries. I want to be able to choose WHICH batteries I use. I choose to use only safe chemistry batteries, which are IMR or IMR/hybrid batteries.

I had a battery explode in a mech mod three years ago. The fire button got compressed unknowingly to me in a pants pocket that were hanging in my work locker. This over-discharged the battery and caused it to go into thermal runaway. I was using a Trustfire protected ICR battery, as that was what was recommended to be used by the manufacturer at the time. This was back when IMR batteries were first being intoduced to the industry, and knowlege about this new battery technology was misunderstood. "Use an unprotected battery? That's crazy."

So having a battery explode on me lead me to research and learn more about batteries available to us. I wrote this information out to assist other vapers to learn more about batteries so they would not have to experience what I went through.

Battery Basics for Mods: IMR or Protected ICR? <--- contains a list of recommended mod batteries

Deeper Understanding of Mod Batteries

 

[WattWick]

I'm sure you're aware that there are already a number of devices that use a LiPo battery, the difference is we don't (currently at least) abuse them quite the same way the RC crowd does.

I am aware and find it a bit concerning. It's not my intention to paint devils on every wall, tho.

I know quality control isn't 100% there with each and every of these new mods hitting the market. At least a handful have managed to self-destruct with no help from the dreaded User and their Errors. A poorly made mod with a LiPo in it - that is my concern.

 

[screwball]

Reading through this has brought up a couple thoughts.
Would a box mod with a couple Sony VTCs in it be safer than LiPo mods like MVPS and be on par with say a VS or is this hazardous since it does not have the chip in it? I'm assuming I'd also need to know Ohms law?

Oh and just to add, I am aware the issues with ego batteries and am just as paranoid abou them which is also partially why I wish to upgrade

 

[screwball]

Bump?

 

[SleeZy]

Reading through this has brought up a couple thoughts.
Would a box mod with a couple Sony VTCs in it be safer than LiPo mods like MVPS and be on par with say a VS or is this hazardous since it does not have the chip in it? I'm assuming I'd also need to know Ohms law?

Oh and just to add, I am aware the issues with ego batteries and am just as paranoid abou them which is also partially why I wish to upgrade

Depends on what box mod you decide on, there's plenty of regulated box mods out there.
You don't need to buy an unregulated box mod, which i can't suggest either. Due you would need "married" batteries and battery safety is even more important with these mods than a single battery mech.

Ohms law is most important if you're using a mechanical mod, not so much in a regulated mod. But it's still good to have knowledge about it never the less.

So just make sure you're looking at a regulated box mod and you're good to go.
(usualy holding 1 single 18650 battery and the stronger mods usualy carries 2.)

And i would say it's safer than LIPOS. Also with these mods with manual batteries or how i should call it, you can/could quickly toss em out if you notice it's starting to vent. This is also the main reason i prefer mods that requires external batteries. Due IMR Is safer, incase something goes wrong.

At best they just hiss and puff abit and they're done for. Unlike LIPO that will catch fire and at worst case explode.

 

[Baditude]

Reading through this has brought up a couple thoughts.
Would a box mod with a couple Sony VTCs in it be safer than LiPo mods like MVPS and be on par with say a VS or is this hazardous since it does not have the chip in it? I'm assuming I'd also need to know Ohms law?

Would said box mod be a regulated or unregulated mod? Obviously, a regulated mod with protection circuitry would be safer than an unregulated mod.


In order of safer to less safe (in my opinion):

Regulated mod using safe chemistry IMR batteries (safety circuitry and safe chemistry batteries)

Unregulated (mech) mod using safe chemistry IMR batteries (no safety circuitry, but using safer chemistry batteries)
Regulated mod using internal Li-Po batteries (safety circuitry but using flammable batteries)

Unregulated (mech) mod using ICR or Li-Po batteries (no safety circuitry and flammable batteries)​

I base the above opinions on a battery which could go into thermal runaway, the ultimate catastrophy. An IMR battery may vent (hot gas), but not as dramatically as a Li-Po or ICR battery (hot gas, flames, explosion).

 

[screwball]

I'm thinking a Regulated box mod with some good batteries will be the route I take.
Anyone got any recommendations for some? also is there anything I can or cant do on one? I'm not going to be doing any stupidly low ohm stuff but I'd still like to know when I am pushing my luck

Edit: are hammond style unregulated mods any differnt or are they just as bad even with safe chemistry battery?

 

[screwball]

Bump?

 

[LobsterGoD]

Don't be paranoid, just learn about battery safety and never stress your batteries beyond their amp limits and you'll be good.

 

[screwball]

yes, sure of course. but as a almost complete newb I'd still like to know what I can and cant do and what is safe.
for example alot of people swear buy unregulated or high voltage mods, I have no idea what would be unsafe on somthing like that

 

[r77r7r]

yes, sure of course. but as a almost complete newb I'd still like to know what I can and cant do and what is safe.
for example alot of people swear buy unregulated or high voltage mods, I have no idea what would be unsafe on somthing like that

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