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I don't even begin to believe I'm the expert you are... but... If I were to believe this statement then why are not all
vapers or at least the greater majority using cartos?

This is an interesting question. I am Pro carto-tanks and Pro clearomisers. Mostly I also believe a carto-tank can be superior.
I don't think people try them for a few reasons.
1) They seem expensive. You need to buy the tank (a good one is like multiple clearos in cost) and then replace the carto. Let us not forget many people swear by rebuilding clearomiser atomiser heads.
2) In many ways (as the famous "Trog" said in the UK) a carto-tank was a kludge. (I had to look that word up on wikipedia and immediately understood...:) )
3) Most basic e-cig users use small (mini) clearomisers... these look right on an e-Go battery. A good carto-tank is better suited to an 18xxx mod.
4) People (well over here anyway) are worried about some of the materials used in cartos.

Possible reasons? I don't know.

I use and enjoy both.
 

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Well, I have 'funds' at the ready in case I need to try the next suggestion. So I'm definitely still open to recommendations ;)

OK.

Last August I bought a clearomiser which has not missed a beat in 5-6 months. I am buying 3 of them later today (or tomorrow) to see if it was luck or they are genuinely reliable. If you ask me in a week, I'll tell you and you tell me. :)
 

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Mostly I also believe a carto-tank can be superior.
I don't think people try them for a few reasons.
1) They seem expensive. You need to buy the tank (a good one is like multiple clearos in cost) and then replace the carto. Let us not forget many people swear by rebuilding clearomiser atomiser heads.
True. I believe to have a satisfying first experience with a cartotank you need to use a quality pyrex tank. Better construction and better o-rings. However a good pyrex tank will last a long time; I have some that are over 18 months old. They are made of more durable materials (heat-treated pyrex glass tube, stainless steel or anodized aluminum end caps) while clearos are made of polycarbonate plastic (Protanks excluded). Just the materials used are more expensive than plastic, so you get what you pay for. Pyrex stands up to the tank-cracking flavors; polycarbonate clearos will crack or melt with these flavors. SOMETHING SAFE FOR CINNAMON & CITRUS FLAVORS

2) In many ways (as the famous "Trog" said in the UK) a carto-tank was a kludge. (I had to look that word up on wikipedia and immediately understood.

Not sure I understand. :blink:

"A kludge (or kluge) is a workaround, quick-and-dirty solution, clumsy, inelegant, difficult to extend, hard to maintain yet effective and quick solution to a problem, and a rough synonym to the term "jury rig". This term is used in diverse fields such as computer science, aerospace engineering, internet slang, and evolutionary neuroscience." -- Wikipedia

I don't see cartotanks as any of the above. I feel it is a superior wicking system to a clearomizer. Admittedly, a cartotank has a slight learning curve to a clearomizer. That's why clearos are usually included in starter kits; they are easy to fill and use. However, they can be rather inconsistant IMO, often developing dry hits or flooding issues. I've yet to use any clearo brand or model that can make better flavor than a quality cartotank (I've used Evods & Protanks; iClears 16 & 30; and Aspire ce5 & mini Vivi Nova).

I already stated in my previous post in this thread why I believe the wicking system of a cartotank is superior to a clearomizer. The only important aspect with a cartotank is to properly fill the cartomizer prior to putting it in the cartotank. Most novices do not put enough e-liquid in (if they put any in it at all), and then complain the vape tastes burnt. Well, yeah! :rolleyes: You only put a few drops in the carto. Try 25 - 35 drops (depending upon the length of carto being filled).

They are not dirty or messy. They are far easier to maintain than a clearo; in fact zero maintanance other than refilling the tank. The carto will need to be replaced every 1 - 3 weeks (so does the coil head in a clearo). The replacement carto ($2) is cheaper than the replacement coil heads of a clearo ($3).

3) Most basic e-cig users use small (mini) clearomisers... these look right on an e-Go battery. A good carto-tank is better suited to an 18xxx mod.

Not true. There are smaller capacity cartotanks (some made of pyrex) available that look good on an e-Go battery.

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2)4) People (well over here anyway) are worried about some of the materials used in cartos. Possible reasons? I don't know.

I don't understand this either. Unless they are worried about the polyfill that is used as the wick material? It's a wick material. So is silica, cotton, Eco wool, etc.
 
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I admittedly have never even used a Carto tank so I cannot speak to their superiority or inferiority but I can say that I simply haven't had many problems with my Clearo's...I started vaping 6 months ago on a disposable clearo that came with an ego kit and even it wasn't bad...I quickly upgraded to Vision Stardust clearos and was more than satisfied. I understand that by the time I came around they had just about gotten the kinks out and that Clearos used to be notoriously leaky and unreliable but honestly, that's not my experience at all...I just recently, a few weeks back, Got my first bottom coil (pt3) and I am absolutely thrilled with its performance as well. (it is a genuine Kanger product with the security code scratch off feature). I also have Vivi's I love along with I-clears (16 & 32's) that have served me well. As I said in my opening line I have never tried carto's but my experience with clearomisers has been an excellent one and I really give them credit for helping to get me off the stinky sticks....Who knows,,,,Maybe I try carto's and have a moment of complete clarity on the issue? Just throwing in my two cents as of today -Dave
 

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Okay, my aerotank arrived today and I've been Vaping with it for the past hour or so. Firstly: the most disappointing aspect of the vape is definitely the low throat hit compared with my old Vision clearomizers. I actually put 1.8ohm heads in my other clearomizers, which provided a lovely throat hit. The heads which come with the Aerotank are indeed 2ohms but even with the same resistance heads in my old clearomizers, I got a better throat hit.

In terms of vapour production, there's a slight improvement over the Vision V3s. The taste is definitely more defined with my Vanilla eliquid, which is 70PG, 30VG.

To be fair to the Aerotank, my eGo-C Upgrade battery (1000mAh) only punches out 3.3v at constant voltage and in the variable voltage mode, it's not much more. I've got to start saving for a more capable battery, I think.
 

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Okay, my aerotank arrived today and I've been Vaping with it for the past hour or so. Firstly: the most disappointing aspect of the vape is definitely the low throat hit compared with my old Vision clearomizers. I actually put 1.8ohm heads in my other clearomizers, which provided a lovely throat hit. The heads which come with the Aerotank are indeed 2ohms but even with the same resistance heads in my old clearomizers, I got a better throat hit.

In terms of vapour production, there's a slight improvement over the Vision V3s. The taste is definitely more defined with my Vanilla eliquid, which is 70PG, 30VG.

To be fair to the Aerotank, my eGo-C Upgrade battery (1000mAh) only punches out 3.3v at constant voltage and in the variable voltage mode, it's not much more. I've got to start saving for a more capable battery, I think.

To add to that, can't seem to be able to buy heads with a lower resistance :(
 

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I am strongly considering this Aspire Nautilus....Glowing reviews everywhere including PBusardo A PBusardo Review & Contest Winner - The Battle Of The Bottoms & The Stocking Winner - YouTubeView attachment 296590

The Nautilus is probably the best changeable coil head atomizer on the market today, which is probably why finding one in stock is so hard to do right now. The replacement coil heads are even tougher to find. It is a much larger tank then a protank though, so will look a bit strange if used on an ego, but it does come with an ego beauty cone, to smooth out where it joins the 22 mm base. But it supposed to vape fantastic. I have one on order just to compare with my high end rba's. This will probably be the best tank for someone new to vaping, and an decent option for those of us that build our own coils, but are interested in trying something different. The only thing I don't like about it is the glass tank, I much prefer my tanks to be full metal jacket stainless steel tanks.

I really enjoy all my re-buildable atomizers, but since I have a fair collection of great ones, and haven't seen any new contenders that I am interested in, decided to give this a try after an ecstatic recommendation of one of my ECF friends. Also I have so many new mods coming in that needed an extra atty so that I'd have one for each. lol.

I started with clearos, then went to a Protank, then started on rba's and rda's, now it's back to a glasso. I've come full circle, will be interesting what tomorrow will bring.
 

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I'm DEFINITELY getting less vapour from the aerotank that I was getting from my V3 clearos. Disappointment. Still, the flavour is so much more rich than it is from the V3.

Are you running the short stemmed coils or the new Long ones...My PT3 came stock with the short ones but really roared to life once I installed the longer ones...Oh, I also run the tank at 4.6-4.8 volts. Big rich plumes of tasty vape. :D
 

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Are you running the short stemmed coils or the new Long ones...My PT3 came stock with the short ones but really roared to life once I installed the longer ones...Oh, I also run the tank at 4.6-4.8 volts. Big rich plumes of tasty vape. :D

Got an MVP 2 and it solved the problem. Bit less for me (4.2V) but yeah, totally impressed by the Aerotank now
 
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