Use One Flavor To Beat Analogs?

[DocWyatt]

There is a constant chase to want the same taste of an analog. However we all know from the day we took our first analog hit that the taste was not great.

So what gives? Why do we we want that taste and will pay anything to get it?

I believe it is because your brain associates a particular taste with the nicotine high. You do not actually like the tobacco taste, even though you think you do. Your brain wants the high, not the taste. However, it knows that the taste equals the high and has been trained to know that.

Therefore, if my reasoning is correct, and I believe that it is, it seems reasonable that the best approach is to "replace" that association. Basically, if your brain knows that peach flavor equals nico high, for instance, you and your brain will crave peach flavor - not tobacco flavor.

Point being, it seems logical to me that changing flavors often and confusing the brain as to what flavor equals nico high may not be as effective as sticking to one strong flavor that your brain will "re-associate" with the high it wants - and is used to.

After all, you crave a taste you hated on day one. Replace that association with something you actually like.

Retrain your brain.

 

[Iamayesman]

Seems logical but would you give up the variety to try being a little more satisfied? I have about 30 flavors that I cycle through and sometimes I love certain ones sometimes I hate them.

 

[DocWyatt]

Agreed, my point was for those trying to beat analogs... not for many others.... Many people quit day one they vape... many others do not - like me.

I do believe that my reasoning on this is very correct. There is a reason that we crave something that tastes horrible. It is not the taste - but our brain tells us that it is...

 

[KRiPT1C]

I think that if the goal is to kick the analog do whatever works. Personally I started with tobacco flavor and after my tastes changed a bit I branched out. The retraining the brain thing seems to me to be more the adjustment to the delivery device. At first I was vaping myself sick until after awhile I got the same relief from picking up the e-cig.

my 2cents

 

[DocWyatt]

Ok, but I do not think there is any question, on any level, that your brain associates tobacco flavor with nico high. That is WHY it craves it - not the taste.

For instance, all people automatically salivate when they think of certain items. Why? Your brain associates them with certain things...

The association with taste and flavor with the brain is 100% fact. Therefore, there is no question that your brain associates tobacco flavor with the high. That is not really a debatable point.

The only question is can you beat this association with replacing smoking with vaping in general, or does it associate it more with flavors?

My personal guess is flavors are more powerful as sense is very powerful to the brain.

 

[KRiPT1C]

Oh I don't disagree if it seemed so. I tell everyone that I have started on e-cigs that tobacco flavor to start. 24mg/ml Marb to be specific. I carry several extra carts and an atty's just to share with people. It works every time. I always hear things like that's just like a cigarette!!!

For me I guess there was just a connection between the paper, filter, size that somehow was a disconnect with the e-cig.

 

[TrippH]

You were on that thread I was ranting on, lol... Retraining your brain isn't so bad as long as the buzz is thr same. But it's not with ecigs. There are about 4000 chemicals that your brain is used to and not getting unless you smoke!!

If someone could develop a flavor that was very close to an analog just to get people over the hump. Senses are so very sharp, ya know? They would be rich with noobie business!! Then let the noobies find other flavors, ya know? But, don't market a marlboro red flavor that tastes like corn fructose filtered through sugar in the meantime... That is aggravating...

 

[DocWyatt]

LOL, I know... why I started thinking about this. This thread is an obvious truth, regardless if people like it or not. Once you think of the taste of an an analog your brain wants it - and wants it badly. That is called a craving.

But if you didn't like the taste before, why is it craving it? Obviously it is an association.

 

[rook2pawn]

Ill tell you what makes analogs extra-convincing to your brain. All the extra 5000 chemicals like ammonia and other poisons become a natural craving. Us vapers just have pure nicotine. I suppose they could sell a "dirty" juice which has the chemicals found in analogs and i would wager that it would give you a very close replication to an analog.

 

[DocWyatt]

Again Tripp, you are attempting to WANT the taste to mimic... WHY? Your brain wants it....FORGET it and retrain your brain to want something else. That was my point.

 

[DocWyatt]

Ill tell you what makes analogs extra-convincing to your brain. All the extra 5000 chemicals like ammonia and other poisons become a natural craving. Us vapers just have pure nicotine. I suppose they could sell a "dirty" juice which has the chemicals found in analogs and i would wager that it would give you a very close replication to an analog.

While I agree that chemical additives are a huge part of the addiction, it is still not the total reason why people crave the taste.

Let's assume there was a crack addict that only got crack when he smelled blackberry's. I can assure you of one very simple fact - if they smelled blackberry's they would want crack. Period.

Why? Association.

 

[Rhapsodies Fire]

I woudlnt' disagree either...but it was more than just a taste association. And for me, that was easy to fix....since I hated the tobacco flavors from the start. But for me I also needed to get away from the cigarette shape and feel. I needed to change my habbit....as opposed to breaking the habbit. I just needed to change my habbit a little more than most maybe.

 

[DocWyatt]

Exactly my point... you hated the tobacco taste BUT if you smelled it ...you wanted it -badly. Why? Association.

You replaced it. Many others cannot.

 

[vivictus]

I agree 100%. I ordered the Pall Mall flavored juice and hated it. Ever since trying my Fireball and Cappuccino flavors, the taste of tobacco already bothers me, so it sucks that my biggest bottle of juice was Pall Mall flavor (which doesn't taste like them to be honest anyway) in hopes I could "replicate" my smoking. So far I'd rather my cappuccino and fireball flavors in every way. Here in a week or so I intend to try out some more flavors. This time I won't get stupid with things like Beer flavor, and order things I am already pretty sure I will like.

Anyway, at least so far it seems training my brain to ignore those other chemicals I am used to seems much easier than I thought since I got the Riva. I had one analog today, and might wind up with another one before the end of the day. But 2 smokes in a single day is still way better than a pack a day.

 

[TrippH]

I posted my flavor preference buss... You vape because you WANT to smoke a cigarette, right? But, your concious tells you that's bad for you, it's right.. Here goes vaping.. You drag, inhale, blow "smoke", and get some nicotine. You get your cake and eat it too... Right? Yes, except it doesn't taste like cake, lol... It tastes like splenda. I can't drink tea with splenda either.. You ask why? I dunno gussy.... But, I am vaping/smoking some.. I just wish people would stop using "tobacco flavor" with some of the crap they use it with. Too much to ask? Vaping could be a much easier crossover for people if that were to happen.. I was very close to giving up until I happened to find somethin.. Hopefully I can make the full switchover. I could if it tasted like a cigarette.......

 

[Vaping4Sanity]

Has anyone tried the "Coffin Nail" juice from DFWVapor? Not really sure I'd want to try it, but here is the description of the juice right from their website.

"All the great taste of burning leaf tobacco minus the cancer. This liquid tastes like burning tobacco. Not the best taste in my opnion but still it mimics the taste smokers are use to. Yes it tastes like your licking an ashtray"

 

[kemikala]

I found that mixing traditional tobacco juice with a non-traditional juice helped quite a bit with the smell/taste association. . I just slowly reduced the amount of tobacco flavor until i went strictly to the more regular juice flavors.... now whenever i smell cinnamon, brain says: hey time to vape!... Good friend of mine recommended to do that and i do have to say worked like a charm smoke free 1 month and working to get to 0mg (prodigy v3 is just too good, ill never stop vaping, damn you puresmoker)

 

[Goldenkobold]

Nah...I smoked a variety of stuff when I smoked..I had a pack of ciggs black and milds (I wouldn't mind a flavor that replicated black and milds...and the smell mmm err) cigars...

and my cigar choice varied from CAO Brazillia's to Acids so I ahve always been a wide range of flavor kind of smoker
no reason I shouldn't be a wide range of flavor kind of vaper

 

[DocWyatt]

Well, i want to make this clear. Whether you love (more likely think you love) the taste or hate the taste of tobacco is not relevant. Your brain is associating the taste/flavor with the nico high - therefore you crave it. Whether you "think" you like the taste or even do like the taste is not why you want it. That is my point.

This is why whether you love the taste - or hate the taste - you want it. And if you smell it - or taste it - you have to have it. It isn't the taste your brain wants - it is the high.

 

[DocWyatt]

Golden, you love mini's and hate the EGO. Your opinion doesn't hold much "vapor' to be completely frank, lol.