vaping 60mg help- and also 'hello' from the newbie

[tgcrna]

so i was thinking about this and basically there is no issue.

if i drink a long island through a straw, or gulp it down, i still take in the same amount of alcohol.

if i am using an underpowered e-cig, then it is the same idea. i am still taking in the same amount of nic as someone else's high-powered mod, i am just drinking it through a straw. so although it seems like i am ironman or suicidal using 54mg straight, in reality i am using less than all of you. i am sipping my drink through a straw.

i did mix the juice and am currently vaping a 54mg mix. and i dont think my 54 mix through a straw is any more risky than someone else's 24mg mix being gulped down. especially when i am taking in a total of 1ml per day, compared to others at 2-3ml per day. i am obviously still alive because i am here typing. 24mg/ml at 3 ml per day= 72mg per day. more than i am taking in.

i still want to switch to a mod, but will wait until this eGo-T burns out. at that point i will switch to a lighter mix. at this point i am only wasting juice by using a weak e-cig.

i dont mean any offense by this post, i just want you all to know my reasoning. I STILL WOULD LIKE INFO ON MODS THAT I SHOULD TRY. it will waste less juice, so should technically save me money (unless i am using 3ml per day, then that would be counter-productive)

thanks everyone who has already linked me to vendors.

NOOOO!! This is not sound reasoning! I could drink 5 Long Island Iced Teas over a day, and other than being a little sleepy I'd be OK. If I drank 5 LIITs in 30 minutes, I'd be sloppy drunk, hospitalized, or dead! Because, drinking it slowly, my liver would be detoxifying my blood. Dumping in too much alcohol at once would not give my liver time to do its job.
I agree you may need a better set-up. I personally prefer Variable Voltage. But I think one thing that may really help you is to get more "fixes" of lower nicotine during the day. You don't want to vape in public, and I totally understand. But you could take your PV with you on bathroom breaks, in your car on the way to lunch, and to and from work, etc. Find times to get a quick vaping session in of 36 mg juice. Or even stay at 48mg but do it more often. PLEASE don't go over 48mg!

 

[joemazda585]

well i guess i should be typing as a ghost right now,...

after the info i received from this forum, and much consideration, i have been vaping the 54mg mix all evening. regular heartbeat, no headache, no cold sweats, no nausea, and no 911 calls.

i am aware of the 60mg dosage death, but i am also aware that it means 60mg at one time in your body. i go through 1ml per day, much less than other people here. i take about 80 puffs per day, approx 10 puffs per hour, and with a 54ml mix that is about 7mg per hour. nowhere near a deadly dosage. how much nic is in nic gum? 4mg per hour? yes i have tried it. it did absolutely nothing. and yes i held it in my cheek and moved it every few mins.

i saw the episode of 1000 ways to die, but it might have been a different episode. this one said the girl put 100 patches on after intercourse and died. the weakest patch is 2mg, and this was still about 199.5mg at once stronger than what i am doing.

saying i will die from this is illogical. enough with the death comments. i am living proof that you are wrong. i came here for help, so thank you to those who have contributed their links and knowledge of stronger batteries and vapor delivery.

SOOOO... any more links to recommended batts and attys? i have looked at all the links that have been posted so far, and i think i will stick with a fixed voltage. only because i have a decent knowledge of electronics and variable voltage regulators are somewhat unreliable cmpared to a fixed voltage item. i may be wrong regarding the e-cig variable voltage. i wont decide which setup to get until i am actually ready to purchase. i just want to lay all my options out on the table.

 

[tgcrna]

well i guess i should be typing as a ghost right now,...

after the info i received from this forum, and much consideration, i have been vaping the 54mg mix all evening. regular heartbeat, no headache, no cold sweats, no nausea, and no 911 calls.

saying i will die from this is illogical. enough with the death comments. i am living proof that you are wrong. i came here for help, so thank you to those who have contributed their links and knowledge of stronger batteries and vapor delivery.

I think people were just concerned about you . I'm glad you didn't die and wish you the best of luck!

 

[joemazda585]

IDK if this is common knowledge around here, but the reason i am against the variable voltage is because normally it is ambient temperature sensitive and tends to burn out the contacts faster due to dust and overheating. i would hate to see what happens with a leaky atomizer.

has anyone experienced this? or is it not an issue so far?

 

[tricci]

60 mg...dude...not cool bro.

 

[Outre]

well i guess i should be typing as a ghost right now,

...

saying i will die from this is illogical. enough with the death comments. i am living proof that you are wrong. ...

No. You are misunderstanding their concerns.

1) They don't know you, your age, body physiology, medical history (besides asthma), etc. They are concerned, and want you to do well and have success with this.


2) Other people read the forums, not just you. Other people who may have health risks that would make this a very bad idea. They are also concerned about other readers who may decide to "jump on the bandwagon" and "take the risk", and in the end erroneously blame e-cigs and e-liquid while being taken to the hospital.


3) Seeing that many people have successfully ended analog cigarette, pipe and cigar habits using e-cigs they are also concerned that someone may do something that was not promoted, guaranteed, suggested or advised by anyone here in the forums.

A misunderstanding about this can be used by various governments to make e-cigs unattainable except through highly expensive, highly taxed, and restrictively regulated outlets.


It is very responsible of the forum members to warn you off using high nic levels, which they have done.

They are not wrong.

You are ONLY (perhaps) proof of your own unique situation, not each and every other situation regarding usage of higher than 48 mg nic.

It would be nice if you would understand that your actions and your words do not only effect/affect YOU and post a message stating that you made the choice entirely on your own despite being warned not to do it.

 

[NicLiq]

I don't have any advice on hardware because I use a REO, and although you can use it for 3.7, 5 and 6v, you probably don't need to have 6 ml of juice with you.. BUT if you would consider trying to vape at different times throughout the day, it would last you 3 days with one battery change and a bottle fill.

I went from the voltage you're at to a REO at true 3.7v and the nic really hit me hard. I got used to it by vaping less, but then I dropped my juice by 6 mg so I could use it more, and next week I'm going to drop another 4 mg. Once you find what works for you, you'll come back and re-read this thread and wish you'd gone to higher voltage sooner.

I know you're not dead, but you can't see the chain reaction of what's going on inside. I am just hoping you are in your twenties or thirties.

 

[Diablo]

correction, vaping strengthened 48mg juice (approx 54mg, right?). not vaping straight 60mg

also, i only use about 1 ml per day, sometimes a bit more on weekends.

Your heart and veins may be made of steel so I am not gonna say you cant handle that amount of Nic, but it is a stimulant and you may want to just monitor your blood pressure since it is a very high dosage. Cheap home use models can be bought at a drug store. High blood pressure can lead to a stroke or heart attack depending on your overall health. I would recommend you at least keep an eye on it even if you are only doing 1 ml a day. Blood pressure of 140/90 or above (resting) is considered high but that is the start of it, if it is much higher that could be dangerous and you should tell your doctor.

 

[Thulium]

I don't think 6% nicotine is nearly as dangerous as some here have made it sound. I wouldn't recommend it to anyone and I'm not sure I understand why the OP thinks he needs it that strong, but he is right that vaping 1ml of 5.4% is like vaping 2ml of 2.7%. He'll need to be more careful with the liquid to prevent accidental overdose, but the truth is that it is nearly impossible to get a lethal overdose of nicotine because you will vomit and convulse to rid yourself of excess nicotine well before you can absorb a lethal dose. I suspect that 6% *might* be strong enough to be a serious poisoning risk to small children, but we really don't know and nobody wants to test it on real children.

JoeMazda, if you are already using 4.8-5.4% nicotine and it still is not enough to satisfy you, it does seem possible that you might be seeking something other than nicotine. I suspect that a product like Stonewalls Dissolvable Tobacco might prove helpful to you, but if you want to stick with vaping, I'll echo other people's recommendation that you try a Variable Voltage mod so that you can turn up the power if you feel you need more, and may not need quite so much nic.

 

[ksmith]

will a 5v fixed or a variable voltage burnup my regular 510 atty? the tank system uses the same 510 atty voltage so hopefully i can use those, since i also bought 2 new tank attys with this order of 60mg mixer.

I can only speak for the Provari, but no, it will not burn up your atties. You will need an adaptor to use the ego-t atty with most all mods. I got mine from avidvapors.com and have ran the ego-t atties at as high as 5 volts.

 

[B4DJ1N64N]

Wow, 48mg! I think you should try using Boge LR carto with your ego-T batts. Tank atty mute the flavor and the throat hit IMHO. If that combo still not satisfying for you, then you can try higher voltage. You don't have to invest much with boge LR cartos, while trying higher voltage means you need to buy a whole new set up. (battery, charger)

 

[Shadow_Rhelm]

I think at this point the thought process involved here is just ridiculous. You either have a strong craving for attention or certainly not concerned about your health. I mean seriously? I vape a lot and still go no where near such a dangerous level. You aren't seeking a TH or even satisfaction from vaping I don't think at this point, it would seem your body is seeking a different kind of high and maybe this is something you should explore. If you do not stop you may want to contact the FDA with your side of the story so they know how to tell it when they have a stronger fight against vaping. You started vaping for a safer alternative... yet you are taking it to potentially lethal levels. If you cam here for advice, then why are you ignoring every bit you are being given telling you to NOT vape these levels? Are you looking for good advice? Attention? Some one to agree with you? Bottom line, this is not safe. If you do not want to be concerned about your safety then fine, that is entirely up to you, but perhaps you can consider your loved ones and the reputation and overall effects this kind of thing has on vaping period.

Like the other said, get you some good 24mg 80/20 pg/vg and either 5v, 6v, or a vv mod.

Above all, use your brain and common sense and listen to the many VERY experienced vapers sitting in this very forum telling you that your thought process and logic in this needs a little guidance and nurturing. I know I will be pretty ticked if ecigs go under fire over this kind of stupidity. Because doing this... is NOT using vaping as a safer alternative. You are playing with fire and kerosine in a small barrel on this one.

 

[Bdbodger]

For a variable voltage mod I would say with normal resistance attys or cartomizers don't go above 5 volts . Usually for 5 or higher you need to use high resistance gear . A mod like the provari would give you a current overflow error if the resistance is too low but not always . Some of the time it will just burn out your atty or carto .

 

[Outre]

I don't think 6% nicotine is nearly as dangerous as some here have made it sound. I wouldn't recommend it to anyone and I'm not sure I understand why the OP thinks he needs it that strong, but he is right that vaping 1ml of 5.4% is like vaping 2ml of 2.7%.

Maybe it's me, but I'm misunderstanding the number format you are using, or rather, the reason why you are using it.

OP referenced 60 mg. Where is the data that that amount is only 6%? 6% of what? It's 60 mg per ml, right? so how is that only 6%?

And how do your "percents" translate into toxicity per kg/lb of body weight allowable nicotine intake before the person experiences the adverse effects of too much nicotine?

I'm sorry, but your post is misleading, and potentially dangerous, with it's cavalier attitude and lack of information.

 

[KeysBum]

i know that 60mg mix is lethal if i drink a mL, but would vaping it straight be harmful? realistically thinking- 36mg gives me no feeling, 48 works sometimes, so 60mg should work good but still be safe right?

-Joe

OP- asked and answered. This is looking more and more like a troll. KeysBum out.

 

[NicLiq]

Maybe it's me, but I'm misunderstanding the number format you are using, or rather, the reason why you are using it.

OP referenced 60 mg. Where is the data that that amount is only 6%? 6% of what? It's 60 mg per ml, right? so how is that only 6%?

And how do your "percents" translate into toxicity per kg/lb of body weight allowable nicotine intake before the person experiences the adverse effects of too much nicotine?

I'm sorry, but your post is misleading, and potentially dangerous, with it's cavalier attitude and lack of information.

We measure nicotine in milligrams based off pure nicotine, so 1.8% is 18 mg.

I agree that it's confusing to see it written that way, especially in the new members forum. The OP is more unique than most smokers - its a job to build that high of a tolerance to nicotine and rare to hear of people being able to smoke those cigars to the end and inhale them. It would be very sad if someone thought, "hey, I'm a hardcore smoker, maybe I need to do this."

 

[VClouds]

I was looking for information about high NIC levels and such when I found this thread, very interesting.

First off I do understand the community's desire to discourage what most consider super high NIC levels. They (and I) do not want the government to stick it's nose in and regulate even more than they are already, we like what we have and want to keep it.

On the other hand, by asking questions on forums like this and thinking out what your doing (as shown by your posts) you have shown a level of of responsibility I strongly support. If you know your system's responses and are watching for adverse side effects I personally support your decisions (for you ONLY) and say go for it. Just please do not recommend this course of action to those that have not done their own research on the subject.

One point I would like to make from personal experience (limited as it is) is that vaping NIC seems to have a time release factor that doesn't seem to be mentioned in the forums. It might just be me, but as a smoker of around 40 years of cigarettes, cigars, and pipes I am convinced that the absorption of NIC from vaping is majorly different from tobacco smoke.

When I was still smoking the real stuff I could feel the NIC hit almost as soon as I took the second drag. When vaping it takes a while to feel the NIC hit my system, even at high levels (stepped down from 48mg to 36mg now). Personally I have had much better luck taking a few vapes much more often than trying to get a majorly big hit all at once as you seem to be trying to do.

I am also using an eGo tank system with 1000mw batteries but switched to LR atties. I keep my eGo-T on a lanyard around my neck and just reach down and take 2 or 3 vaps whenever the urge strikes. The lanyard is mainly so it doesn't fall from my pocket to the ground, would hate to break it at a bad time.

While this works for me quite well it may not for you, I still support your efforts to stay away from analogs in any way that works for you, just be careful (as it seems you have been).

Good Luck and Vape On Brother

 

[kathy1969]

60 mg sounds 2 high to me....i get dizzy sometimes if i vape continuously for an hour or so...that's from 2 much nicotine !!

 

[Thulium]

Maybe it's me, but I'm misunderstanding the number format you are using, or rather, the reason why you are using it.

OP referenced 60 mg. Where is the data that that amount is only 6%? 6% of what? It's 60 mg per ml, right? so how is that only 6%?

There are 1000milligrams in one gram. One milliliter weighs one gram. Therefore, 60mg/ml=6%

And how do your "percents" translate into toxicity per kg/lb of body weight allowable nicotine intake before the person experiences the adverse effects of too much nicotine?

How does using the LD50 of nicotine translate into a lethal dose without accounting for the time it takes to ingest, the body's ability to reject an overdose, or the half-life of the toxin?

I'm sorry, but your post is misleading, and potentially dangerous, with it's cavalier attitude and lack of information.

I would counter that YOUR point is misleading and potentially dangerous for referring to e-cigarettes by the number of "milligrams"of nicotine in one cartridge that may not have exactly 1 milliliter of e-liquid. Milligrams per gram/milliliter is extremely deceptive unless it is normal to use exactly one milliliter of 1.6% e-liquid in 5-10 minutes the way you would smoke 1g of 1.63% tobacco in a single cigarette.

You seem quite convinced that 6% nicotine is deadly dangerous. Do you have evidence of this? I can't say it isn't dangerous because I haven't tried or tested it, and honestly it would make me uncomfortable...but no one has shown any evidence that 6% nicotine is deadly. People use 40% nicotine in pesticides quite frequently--THAT much certainly is poisonous, but I honestly don't know if 6% nicotine is actually deadly or not--do you??

 

[Galthrojh]

If you're not getting enough of a nicotine rush, blow it straight out your nose from your mouth without inhaling. Absorbed faster that way.