Vaping and Dental Devices

[Art-n-Cate]

Once upon a time, it was believed that different areas of the tongue were responsible for how we 'taste' different foods like salty, sweet, sour, etc. New science is starting to prove that is no longer true; the taste buds that cover our tongue, hard palate - the roof of your mouth - and other sensitive areas inside the mouth work in unison to help us determine what is good to eat and what is not. People who wear dental devices which cover the entire roof of the mouth sense taste differently than those who don't. Even when the devices are removed temporarily, the lack of a full taste experience is lost because the brain has trained itself to ignore the foreign plastic taste coming from that area of the mouth. Basically, half of your taste buds no longer function to full capacity.

Because vaping doesn't consume the mouth in the same way food does, sensitivity is much less. I believe that this is a big factor in determining a juice choice and flavor strength. Unfortunately, when we finally decide to give up analogs, many of us have reached an age when dental devices like dentures are more common. However, there are younger people who might be using different dental devices that also cover all, or a large part, of the hard palate and who might benefit from this consideration as well.

My husband and I generally have the same tastes in food but e-juice flavors are an entirely different animal. One of us wears full dentures, the other doesn't and we have yet to find a juice we can both fully enjoy together. Because taste is so subjective, there is no way to determine an exact formula; what tastes sweeter to some may not be sweet enough for others. What might be an enjoyable flavor to a person who doesn't wear dental appliance may taste completely different to someone who does.

As this industry is in it's infancy, I would really like to hear from those of you who wear a dental device as to what flavors and strengths (not nic content) are most flavorful to you. Collecting this data will help everyone who does wear them and will also help me to formulate juice recipes for us.

Added Note: From the responses here and to the same post on the NM forum, it looks like we may be on to something! If you have a good recipe, please PM me so I can start a recipe thread. I will give you credit (blame?!? Lol) for the recipe. Please tell us how how much flavor, how much VG/PG and how much nic if you use it. Also what size batch it makes - 3ml, 10ml, etc. Try to be specific for all us newbies.
This is awesome!

 

[jude8753]

I think as long as you can smell it you can taste it regardless of any dental appliance.

 

[Art-n-Cate]

I think as long as you can smell it you can taste it regardless of any dental appliance.

That could be, too, but it was a dentist who explained this to me. Actually he was a oral surgeon, so I thought I'd just pass along the notes I took...

 

[gypsygirl]

I think as long as you can smell it you can taste it regardless of any dental appliance.

I don't know if that's entirely true.
I have a peanut butter cup ejuice that smells absolutely wonderful, but I cannot for the life of me taste even a small amount of it. My husband can. I do wear a dental appliance, he does not. Coincidence? Possibly, but this is certainly interesting to me.

I enjoy anything cinnamon, husband finds it too much for his taste buds. He enjoys coffee flavors, I find them too bitter. Minty is pretty even with us both. Chocolate is even as well. Any tobacco flavors, he tastes the tobacco, I taste anything sweet in the tobacco ejuice prior to tasting any tobacco, and I'm really not that fond of the tobacco flavors at all...at least not yet...that could change later.

Not sure if this helps, but it's a start

 

[Ragamuffin]

Well, as a denture wearer, full uppers and mostly full lowers, I can attest that taste involves more than just your tongue. The roof of your mouth, gums, etc., when covered and unexposed to flavors, temperatures, etc., leave you feeling like you are lacking something when taste testing.

If I leave them both out for over two days or so, when I'm not leaving the house for several days, things do indeed taste different. It's true, regardless of how many times we've been told that the tongue is the key to taste. I'm convinced that this is why so many people actually remove their dentures and partials to eat. Not because it's easier, because it isn't easier to eat without teeth. It's easier to taste your food. In fact, I hate to eat without my dentures inserted. But if I do eat something by chance without them, it does taste different. And then I get really sore. I can also sometimes taste the metal on the clips of my partial slightly, so maybe that too interferes with flavors.

I don't know how much the moisture factor plays on the taste as well. When you wear dentures, many suffer from constant dry mouth because their isn't enough actual mouth tissue exposed for the saliva to adhere to. The plastic doesn't hold it, so you don't retain enough to keep your mouth moist. I know I have to constantly use mints to produce more saliva. Otherwise, I would choke all the time. Maybe the dryness affects our ability to absorb flavors?

 

[willbeein2003]

What an eye opening thought. I wear full dentures. I have been vaping since July 15th and everyone told me my taste buds would come back. I have bought so many flavors which I am now selling because I cannot seem to taste hardly any of them. I can smell them now much better, but taste is a whole other thing. I do remove my dentures at night but only to go to bed, so I have not tried vaping without them. However, I got dentures in my late 20's and I am now 51, so the roof of my mouth is probably totally dead!

I can taste cinnamon flavors (but I seem to get tongue and mouth sores from them), double mint gum, teaberry, and wintergreen. I can slightly taste cherry cheesecake and lemon ice. I can taste tobacco, but they all taste the same. I have tried higher nicotine, DIY with much higher flavor than recommended, using PG without VG - nothing worked. I just ordered LR attys and a stronger battery because people were advising me that this was the problem.

I would be interested in any recipes that denture wearers have come up with, or anything else that they have done to find flavor. I would also love to hear from any dentur wearers who do not have this problem.

 

[willbeein2003]

I don't really have anything to add to my above post, but I just added a picture and signature to my profile and I want to see if it worked!

 

[Vidi]

willbeein2003,

Those sores might not be the e liquid. I got several canker sores about two weeks after switching over and believe it was some of the toxins from analogs leaving my body that caused them as I did not switch liquids.

As to the original topic, I wear a full upper plate ( bottom teeth are still mine thank god ). Ive tried Johnson creek, original, expresso and cherry, which I found to be slightly greasy and overpowering ( not in a good way ) only the cherry has been used consistantly and that was cut with Dekang Chocolate.

Dekang juice Ive tried their Camel Turkish blend, RY4 and Chocolate. All of which I find enjoyable, though I find that I get flavor on the exhale as an aftertaste as opposed to on inhale.

Yesterday I received several flavors from vaporbomb ( banana, wild cherry, caramel candy, milk chocolate and french vanilla )

the banana, cherry and caramel are all ok but not very strong ( hoping that letting them steep will change this ) All three are acceptable vapes ( the banana tastes like a banana Popsicle, which is exactly what I was expecting and hoping for ) and I would order them again even if steeping doesnt change the flavor strength.

The milk chocolate on the other hand I can tatse at all. Once again, Im going to let it sit and steep and hope as I enjoyed the dekang chocolate.

I also received juices from Ms T's Bakery yesterday and theyre not bad either. Grape, chocolate pudding ( seeing a pattern here yet? ) and horchata. The grape is exactly what I was expecting, a candy grape flavor. The horchata tastes kind of watermelony to me, but I'm letting that steep and really keeping my hopes up for that one. Its not bad its just not the flavor i was expecting.

The chocolate pudding on the other hand is strong and delicious. Much more flavor than the Dekang.

I have atomic cinnacide and mojito on its way from tasty vapor. Because of the popularity of the Atomic cinnacide, I have very high hopes for it.

The problem I have with ALL flavors other than Dekang so far is the lack on inhale taste. I dont straight inhale. I fill my mouth with vapor then inhale, so I expect some flavor at that point in the process but get none to very little.

I hadn't considered my denture to play a part in the experience but now that I know it does I think ill have to judge the flavors on a different scale.

maybe there should be a denture wearer group on the forums so we can compare notes on which flavors seem to work for us.

EDIT:

As far as recipes go, as a newbie myself Ive just started experimenting myself, but will keep track of things I mix up and if I find something truly outstanding, Ill post it.

 

[willbeein2003]

I am still hopeful that my mouth/tongue sores are from something other than my cinnamon juices. It only happens when I use that flavor though, which is disappointing because it is the one thing that was full of flavor and had great TH.

Which leads to my next question. Do any of you have trouble getting a good TH or is it just the flavor? I seem to have a problem getting a decent TH as well.

 

[t9c]

I have partials, the upper covers most of the roof of my mouth, but I don't taste any different with them in or out. I definitely prefer very strong flavors though-cinnamon, chocolate, mint, RY4. Most of the flavors & samples aren't sweet enough for me. I've tried adding a little bit of ethyl maltol, but maybe I need to add more or something else.

Another thing is that I vape so much, I guess that the flavor of the juice starts to decline after about 1ml or so. I have to keep switching flavors to keep my palate satisfied.

I really like trying a new flavor for the first time. If it's good, I'll knock out a couple mils in no time.

 

[Vidi]

Do any of you have trouble getting a good TH or is it just the flavor?

Others will be more knowledgeable than I, but from reading here, I believe that the device, voltage, juice all play a factor in TH. I think ( and someone PLEASE correct me if I am wrong ) but even the nic strength plays a part.

The general thinking on juice is PG produces more TH and VG produces more vapor. My first juices were 100% pg and I got decent TH off most of them. ( all dekang 36mg ) I just got a big shipment from a few different sources with a pg/vg mix. Im finding that though the mix is the same on several flavors, some produce good TH and other just don't.

For example, I got a Horchata flavor from Ms T's Bakery, that has a great soft flavor, decent vapor and almost 0 TH. ( I'm vaping it right now in fact ) Its delicious and a good vape, but I'm a big fan of TH.

 

[Art-n-Cate]

willbeein2003,

maybe there should be a denture wearer group on the forums so we can compare notes on which flavors seem to work

I totally agree, MrGrimme! I was pretty tickled - as a newbie - to hit on this problem but I have no idea how to start one. I got 2 reprimands for posting about this in places I shouldn't so I'm a little reluctant to do anything else! I wish we did have a group where people could post their recipes, favorite flavors, stories, etc. I had hoped to make special juice flavors for people who don't want to fool with DIY but just on a personal basis.

 

[gypsygirl]

I am in favor of a group as well. Not sure how to start one either though, but think it's def. warranted, and esp. for newbies. How difficult it is to first start vaping, understanding everything regarding ecigs, let alone the multitude of symptoms they will no doubt experience after quitting cigs, then throw in tastes of different juices from different vendors, reading how much everyone loves a particular juice, and wondering why they can't taste it. I for one, have been worried about not being able to taste juices until I came across this thread. It's been an eye opener!

On a side note: Just tried Watermelon. I can taste it just fine, however, VERY sweet to me..too sweet in fact. Good flavor though (Ms.T's if anyone is interested - she has some GOOD flavors and her Red Hot Cinnamon Candy was the first one I really tasted and went "WOW!! THIS is what it's supposed to feel like!!" )

But yes, a group for denture/partial wearers would be a great addition to this already wonderful forum!!

 

[Art-n-Cate]

I was vaping a cartomizer filled with VaporNine low nic Premium Roast Coffee and when it got low, I grabbed what I thought was a cappachino juice but turned out to be Flavour Art Cappachino flavoring. Not bad but added a drop of etho malto (sweetener) and a couple more drops of the PR Coffee. It was awesome!

I'm finding that I need a higher flavor percentage and extra sweetener for most bakery/fruit liquids. I tried Mad Vapes Key Lime Freeze but can't taste it at all! It is awesome on the nasal exhale, though. Have added it to other fruit flavors in small amounts and it seems to bring out the main flavor a little better.

 

[Vidi]

I recently got Atomic Cinnacide from Tasty Vapor and its so strong it'll make your dentures vibrate. I kid you not.

It's very very good and I am not usually a fan of the Big Red gum flavor, which is what it reminds me of.

 

[WISHIKNEWTHATYESTERDAY]

thank you for posting this. i was starting to think there was something wrong with me. i wear an upper partial and have been labeled extremely picky in my group of friends that vape. also i find that i have to continuously switch flavors so that i can taste them. i even tried ordering double flavoring from a vendor, but that just made them taste bad the only flavors i have found that work for me so far are...chocolate, but i lose the taste rather quickly. banana cream, but don't like to vape it for long periods. chocolate mint, but i after a bit it just taste like mint. cherry, this one is currently my all day vape, i lose the flavor after a few hours of use but find i can get it back by switching to anything else for 15-20 min. i doubt i was of much help, but had to post something now that i may have a reason behind my problem but don't get me wrong, i love vaping! thanks again for the post.

 

[Vidi]

Wish,

I have the same issue, except with Atomic Cinnacide ( its just so dang strong hehe )

Chocolate is good for a few hours then I need to switch to something else for awhile, then I can go back.

I often find myself mixing flavors in the cart, just to break it up so I can taste it again.

 

[Art-n-Cate]

I got Waffle and TastyFinger 4 oz doublers and added nictotine at a one part nic juice to two parts flavor. They could be stronger for me but I just got them from Mad Vapes yesterday and this was my first mix and am doing fairly well with these at that ratio but I will try them stronger.

I haven't gotten the courage up to try the Atomic! What chocolates are you using? Which cherry? Watermelon has been good for me, too, but I had to add a lemon or a lime to really bring out the melon flavor. Something tells me that the citruses are a good vape for us.

I, too, ordered the double flavors and tried to vape them just as they are; tasted like swamp juice! If you have some vg/pg try mixing them down. That's what I had to do. Most of those doublers are ordered high nic and then diluted down to save some cash.

My best results have been from ordering LorAnn flavorings and a sweetener and doing it myself. This has lead to a batch of swamp juice or two, though! VG seems to work out best as a mixer for some reason. I really want to perfect some recipes for us because I KNOW we taste differently! And I'm not satisfied with just tasting things through a nasal exhale...

 

[Art-n-Cate]

I am in favor of a group as well. Not sure how to start one either though, but think it's def. warranted, and esp. for newbies. How difficult it is to first start vaping, understanding everything regarding ecigs, let alone the multitude of symptoms they will no doubt experience after quitting cigs, then throw in tastes of different juices from different vendors, reading how much everyone loves a particular juice, and wondering why they can't taste it. I for one, have been worried about not being able to taste juices until I came across this thread. It's been an eye opener.

But yes, a group for denture/partial wearers would be a great addition to this already wonderful forum!!

I did have a post about this in the newbie section but got in trouble for posting in the wrong places. I'm pretty sure it got moved from there. But I'm hoping there are strengths in numbers. Unfortunately, some of us who have smoked for years have various dental issues and as e-cigs catch on as a way to drop the analogs, maybe there will eventually be enough of us to have our own section. This forum can be an overwhelming place for the newbies and heck, even for some of us not-so-newbies.

 

[Vidi]

ok I started a group. Should be open to anyone.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/groups/dental-devices-vaping.html


Join up and discuss. Hopefully we can find the stronger flavors we need by helping each other out. In order to create a specific forum we need a certain number of members. Not sure how many that would be or if its needed as we can maintain discussions within the group.

PS the group "icon" is bad I know. If anyone can suggest a better one i am open to it hehehe.