Vaping and gum irritation...
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Check the following thread: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/health-safety-e-smoking/4418-poll-symptom-bleeding-gums.html
I recently have been noticing irritated, swollen and bleeding gums when brushing and have never had an issue before I took up vaping. Seems a lot of people are noticing this problem and though it can be attributed to other causes it's a possible side effect for some people.
I recently have been noticing irritated, swollen and bleeding gums when brushing and have never had an issue before I took up vaping. Seems a lot of people are noticing this problem and though it can be attributed to other causes it's a possible side effect for some people.
Hmmm interesting. I have had bleeding gums for many years (99% of the time while brushing). It seems that it has gotten worse since I started vaping. But then again I also don't eat healthy either so that maybe a larger factor in my case.
I had my gums bleed about 2 months after I quit smoking and started vaping. I mean really bleed when I brushed my teeth. I had heard that others had it not just when they vaped but when they quit smoking. It did clear up on it's own after a couple of weeks. I would have gone to the dentist if it continued.
Check out the health section of this forum for related posts. It may help to know that others have had the same issues, including me.
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Well the bleeding has pretty much stopped in my case, I started flossing more often and brushing my cheeks, tongue, roof of my mouth and using Listerine versus scope (The kind of "Freshburst" Listerine that you can hardly take for more than 30 seconds). The bleeding is very minimal now but still there.
I think the best thing to do right now for me is quit vaping completely very soon because I don't need gingivitis, periodontal disease or dentures, lol.
At first the sheer amount of blood was almost frightening. I've never even had a cavity... So it was a very new experience and unexpected completely.
EDIT: As I have stated before on previous posts; The bases for ejuice are a sugar-alcohol (PG) or a natural sweetener (VG). When I read an MSDS for VG it stated it was safe for consumption and out of sheer curiosity I tried a drop. Sure as s#!&, that stuff is pretty sweet.
Although it is not sugar per se... It is still a type of sweetener and may cause plaque buildup (In the case of VG anyway) and PG being a sugar-alcohol may thin the blood, cause dry mouth and thus irritate the gums.
I'm no dentist, chemist or doctor but this is information I have come across in my studies and I kinda put 2 and 2 together.
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I had the same experience as KamsCats, I have had gum disease forever, and have been told to quit smoking a thousand times. Right after I quit and started vaping my gums were terrible, so bad I thought I was going to have to give up vaping, but then it just went away, now I think that I was going through all the poison being released from my gums after 35 years of chain smoking. Now my gums are sooo much better than when I smoked, I still have to take good care of them but no longer feel like vaping is hurting me, rather helping me instead.
I know it shocked me. It also didn't start right away. Hit me a few months in. Mine is completely gone now. I have heard several causes for it. Including increased blood flow when you quit smoking can cause it. I know that even though i get nicotine I am getting far less then when I smoked.
Just don't go back to smoking, k.
It's even harder on the mouth. Hubby can attest to that.(I plan on quitting vaping sooner or later but I want to make sure I never go back to the cancer sticks first! That's another post)
I know it shocked me. It also didn't start right away. Hit me a few months in. Mine is completely gone now. I have heard several causes for it. Including increased blood flow when you quit smoking can cause it. I know that even though i get nicotine I am getting far less then when I smoked.
Just don't go back to smoking, k.
(I plan on quitting vaping sooner or later but I want to make sure I never go back to the cancer sticks first! That's another post)
Haha, there is no chance for me going back to the stinkies again. I may have backslid during the Postal strike but that was bad planning on my part
. I Just found it odd because I haven't been a full time smoker in 2 years now, but it is possible my small 2 day stint of smoking again was a catalyst. That being said, I have felt the swelling get worse with vaping, so I don't think it is a black and white thing at all and depends on many factors.
Good luck on quitting it all btw!
*Rob Schneider Voice* You can do it!
I don't mean to be unkind...I'm not trying to judge the original poster. We all wanna help you hon. But the above is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever seen on here. Smoking directly causes gum disease...as in, your gums recede, grow inflamed & irritated, bleed, all of that. Smoking does that. So why are you choosing to do something - smoking - which is guaranteed to irritate & destroy your gums?
Heavy vaping can dry out your mouth, since the vapour is a humectant (i.e. it absorbs & removes moisture). The solution is obvious & simple: as a vaper, make sure to drink more water. You'd be surprised how many people are lazy about that.
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Vaping is actually beneficial in and of itself too - since PG is a powerful germicidal/bactericidal and even virucidal agent. E-cig vapour kills all kinds of bacteria, on contact. (VG also has a killing effect on germs & bacteria, though to a lesser extent than PG.) So - far from causing baddies to proliferate in your mouth & gums, vaping is actually making your mouth a far cleaner place.
If any of us former-smokers-turned-vapers have long-term gum issues, it's virtually certain that it's a result of all the years of smoking. Certainly not our current vaping. Of course, we also know that diet plays a role in gum disease. As to the short-term, as Kams Cats and gjns711 pointed out earlier...bleeding gums are a common side effect when you quit smoking...since blood flow tends to increase drastically. It doesn't last forever, and it's not a sign of something bad.
Bottom line, we should all make sure to drink more water, take better care of our mouths & diets, & relax. Stress can have a negative impact on your health in all manner of ways. Relaxing is so, so important. Most importantly, to the original poster: smoking will guaranteed poison and kill you. Vaping will not.
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I just wanna add: I find it a bit irritating when I see a few people here talk about "quitting vaping" not for innocuous reason(s), but due to the mistaken premise that it's somehow bad to vape. Case in point: one poster (who still, however sporadically, smokes you-know-what for goodness' sakes - which has tons more tar & carcinogenic hydrocarbons than even cigs do) - this poster quit vaping because he was worried about phlegm & coughing.
Now I don't know the specifics with this person, but...I've been vaping e-juice via e-cigs for over a year. I don't have any cough, or any phlegm problem. Neither do the majority of vapers. (I might also add, that a certain amount of phlegm is perfectly normal...especially if it's clear. If you didn't have any phlegm, then something would be seriously wrong with you, lol.)
So I'd say the ---- smoke was and is that person's real issue. I mean yoy, they're still smoking: is it any wonder that they're having the issues they're having? Geez. I don't mean to be unkind...but this isn't rocket science.
People can do whatever they like - and if you wanna drop vaping, that's your prerogative. All I'm saying is please don't be confused about the why behind any such decision. Some folks may have a financial issue; a few may have a medical condition that makes ordinary things like caffeine or nicotine (or sugar or salt, for that matter) unwise for them. But for most of us, there's really no reason to give up vaping...especially when one considers the alternative. Most of us who vape do so because we'd be smoking otherwise. Most of us enjoy vaping without problem & see no reason to ever leave it. And in a time where smoking still kills so many & anti-vaping opponents threaten us all, most of us feel a duty to spread the good word.
Fact: vaping is now proven to be no more harmful than common caffeine consumption. Fact: the vapour also kills germs & bacteria. Fact: the majority of us who fully make the switch from smoking to vaping e-juice via e-cigs are very pleased & have noticed vastly improved health!
Of those who do have an issue, it's usually a temporary problem & easily resolved (i.e. the body adjusting & flushing out the crap from the smoking years...or someone not drinking enough water...or someone overdoing the nic...or something like finding the right PG/VG balance for your comfort zone).
I like knowing that my means for enjoying nic is:
- recreationally satisfying
- no more harmful than the coffe I drink
- and incidentally leaving me that much less likely to catch a seasonal bug.
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In conclusion...I didn't write this post to get anyone in particular's gander up. I wrote it because 1) the original poster obviously needs guidance pronto, and 2) to clarify the validity of the concern for all of us. As a member of the community & a friend, I want to see all of us who want to stay smoke-free & happily vaping, doing just that. That's why when someone raises a concern (i.e. "will vaping cause me to develop leprosy of the hair?") or suggests something crazy (i.e. "I'm smoking instead of using an e-cig") we should address it head-on, lol.
Happy vaping friends, and vape on!
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I don't mean to be unkind...I'm not trying to judge the original poster. We all wanna help you hon. But the above is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever seen on here. Smoking directly causes gum disease...as in, your gums recede, grow inflamed & irritated, bleed, all of that. Smoking does that. So why are you choosing to do something - smoking - which is guaranteed to irritate & destroy your gums?
Heavy vaping can dry out your mouth, since the vapour is a humectant (i.e. it absorbs & removes moisture). The solution is obvious & simple: as a vaper, make sure to drink more water. You'd be surprised how many people are lazy about that.
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Vaping is actually beneficial in and of itself too - since PG is a powerful germicidal/bactericidal and even virucidal agent. E-cig vapour kills all kinds of bacteria, on contact. (VG also has a killing effect on germs & bacteria, though to a lesser extent than PG.) So - far from causing baddies to proliferate in your mouth & gums, vaping is actually making your mouth a far cleaner place.
If any of us former-smokers-turned-vapers have long-term gum issues, it's virtually certain that it's a result of all the years of smoking. Certainly not our current vaping. Of course, we also know that diet plays a role in gum disease. As to the short-term, as Kams Cats and gjns711 pointed out earlier...bleeding gums are a common side effect when you quit smoking...since blood flow tends to increase drastically. It doesn't last forever, and it's not a sign of something bad.
Bottom line, we should all make sure to drink more water, take better care of our mouths & diets, & relax. Stress can have a negative impact on your health in all manner of ways. Relaxing is so, so important. Most importantly, to the original poster: smoking will guaranteed poison and kill you. Vaping will not.
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I just wanna add: I find it a bit irritating when I see a few people here talk about "quitting vaping" not for innocuous reason(s), but due to the mistaken premise that it's somehow bad to vape. Case in point: one poster (who still, however sporadically, smokes you-know-what for goodness' sakes - which has tons more tar & carcinogenic hydrocarbons than even cigs do) - this poster quit vaping because he was worried about phlegm & coughing.
Now I don't know the specifics with this person, but...I've been vaping e-juice via e-cigs for over a year. I don't have any cough, or any phlegm problem. Neither do the majority of vapers. (I might also add, that a certain amount of phlegm is perfectly normal...especially if it's clear. If you didn't have any phlegm, then something would be seriously wrong with you, lol.)
So I'd say the ---- smoke was and is that person's real issue. I mean yoy, they're still smoking: is it any wonder that they're having the issues they're having? Geez. I don't mean to be unkind...but this isn't rocket science.
People can do whatever they like - and if you wanna drop vaping, that's your prerogative. All I'm saying is please don't be confused about the why behind any such decision. Some folks may have a financial issue; a few may have a medical condition that makes ordinary things like caffeine or nicotine (or sugar or salt, for that matter) unwise for them. But for most of us, there's really no reason to give up vaping...especially when one considers the alternative. Most of us who vape do so because we'd be smoking otherwise. Most of us enjoy vaping without problem & see no reason to ever leave it. And in a time where smoking still kills so many & anti-vaping opponents threaten us all, most of us feel a duty to spread the good word.
Fact: vaping is now proven to be no more harmful than common caffeine consumption. Fact: the vapour also kills germs & bacteria. Fact: the majority of us who fully make the switch from smoking to vaping e-juice via e-cigs are very pleased & have noticed vastly improved health!
Of those who do have an issue, it's usually a temporary problem & easily resolved (i.e. the body adjusting & flushing out the crap from the smoking years...or someone not drinking enough water...or someone overdoing the nic...or something like finding the right PG/VG balance for your comfort zone).
I like knowing that my means for enjoying nic is:
- recreationally satisfying
- no more harmful than the coffe I drink
- and incidentally leaving me that much less likely to catch a seasonal bug.
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In conclusion...I didn't write this post to get anyone in particular's gander up. I wrote it because 1) the original poster obviously needs guidance pronto, and 2) to clarify the validity of the concern for all of us. As a member of the community & a friend, I want to see all of us who want to stay smoke-free & happily vaping, doing just that. That's why when someone raises a concern (i.e. "will vaping cause me to develop leprosy of the hair?") or suggests something crazy (i.e. "I'm smoking instead of using an e-cig") we should address it head-on, lol.
Happy vaping friends, and vape on!
Wow!
The majority of vapers does not include everyone.
Not everyone is unaffected by either PG or VG these are facts, hence why PG is only categorized as GRAS.
Although many things can be attributed to smoking and a natural withdrawal, in some cases not all, there is something else.
Reported problems of sore gums and bleeding gums have been seen by many a seasoned vaper and not directly attributed to smoking cessation.
... and at the end of the day we are not here to convert the world, but offer support. Freedom of choice for the time being is still a right we all enjoy.
I find it irritating seeing vaping labelled as safe, I would rather see it portrayed as a less harmful alternative to support a nicotine addiction.
I don't find that necessary to post. Strikes me as more than out of line IMO. Does any one else notice how someone says;
"I don't want to offend you but... "
And what follows is the most offensive thing someone can state in the context?
I argue that point on the basis that while PG is this "wonderful, marvelous substance" (At least according to your post) it causes me PHYSICAL PAIN... It is a sugar alcohol and as such thins the blood, drys the mouth and less saliva is attributed to more cavities and potentially causes gingivitis.
I am virtually certain that very few of us are doctors or professional health care employees.. And those that are have just as much information to go on as the rest of us, which is purely anecdotal.
Won't debate that, but your post is the most stressed out I have read on this specific thread.
I personally just want to add that I find it irritating when I see people being completely rude, biased and spreading their opinion as fact....
I won't even go there, but this poster you speak of is a great guy and very talented.
And for the rest of us, we don't enjoy being a slave to an addictive chemical... Regardless of how "amazingly miraculous and beneficial" vaping is. I had no problems for over a year and the health issues started suddenly and I have had more develop since that time.
Fact: Coffee (I spelled it correctly) is known to possibly cause high blood pressure, gastro-intestinal distress, insomnia, type 2 diabetes, anxiety, heighten cholesterol, anemia, and coronary heart disease
Source: Health effects of coffee - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I dislike vaping with PG because:
- It causes me pain
- Drys my mouth out like the Sahara, regardless of the amount of water I drink
- Gives me a visible rash
You might not have intended to get people's gander up.... but your post did just that. The OP deserves to know real, unbiased information regarding vaping and gum irritation and not be evangelized and backed into a corner because they happen to choose to smoke versus vaping because of a very valid concern. While smoking is known to be hazardous to your health, vaping should not be considered a miracle cure all, because frankly --- it isn't ---.
While I still attest that it is much healthier than smoking, it is not by any means natural or healthy to be inhaling anything except the air that we breathe.
In lieu of being civil, I won't continue with further posts on this thread. My point has been made and my experiences shared. Hopefully I was concise enough to supply the OP with fact rather than bias.
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I don't recall the exact words, but I remember my dentist telling me that smoking analogs can actually mask gum problems for some time.
I smoked for 35 years and I suffer from periodontal disease. I've had scaling and deep root planing, a bone graft, and gum-flap surgeries. I alternate the dentist and periodontist every three months. I have deep pockets and I don't mean monetarily!
Since I have become a vaper, my dental health has improved, my gum pockets are shrinking, and my cleanings don't take forever to do. My doctors are very happy about it. I vape PG/VG mixes and yes, I keep hydrated.
Since I have become a vaper, my dental health has improved, my gum pockets are shrinking, and my cleanings don't take forever to do. My doctors are very happy about it. I vape PG/VG mixes and yes, I keep hydrated.
I haven't noticed any problems with my mouth. I got the dry mouth when I started, and every now and then my tongue gets inflamed from chain vaping... Pretty sure it's the nicotine streaming onto my tongue nonstop there...
That said, I do enjoy having a cleaner feeling mouth. It's a nice change from the ashtray mouth, especially after a night of drinking.
That said, I do enjoy having a cleaner feeling mouth. It's a nice change from the ashtray mouth, especially after a night of drinking.
I think smoking and vaping have different outcomes and complications for different people. When I first starting vaping, for some reason it irritated my eyes. I narrowed it down to one flavor. In general I'm in great health. Eye irritation (dry eye) seems to not be common at all here, yet that's for sure what it was.
My gums did bleed like mad two months into vaping when I brushed my teeth. It was the lack of smoking, for me anyway. I waited it out and it no longer happens.
My gums did bleed like mad two months into vaping when I brushed my teeth. It was the lack of smoking, for me anyway. I waited it out and it no longer happens.
I think there are even more variables than what has appeared here so far. Voltage/resistance of hardware used, chain vaping, cartomizers versus atomizers, and viscosity of juice. It's so much more complicated than smoking. Smoking had few variables; what brand, and how many per day was all that we went by to compare ourselves to other smokers.
Hello Pot? This is Kettle. You are inhaling an illegal substance and I think you are a villain for saying so.
Kettle? Don't you inhale a substance that is considered illegal as well?
Yes pot, I do but mine is only considered illegal by one gov't faction.
Yes Kettle, but you inhale about 10 times the amount if not more, and there have been no medical studies to prove either of these substances to be unsafe, so why take the high ground on morality then?
anyway... I don't agree with going back to analogs. speak to your doctor or dentist about these issues. The human body can have reactions to all kinds of substances out there, and some things only affect certain people. I had some bleeding gums for a while but subsided. sure was nasty on long motorcycle rides.
for the record Rachel, I had to quit smoking the unmentionable while vaping because the combination made me feel like I was having an asthma attack. then just vaping did that. I quit vaping for MY health, not for accolades. Truth is, it's not 100% safe for everyone. We know what pg and vg do in out systems but flavourings have never really been tested.
And phlegm was a huge issue for me, which is now gone. I couldn't see doing a full set on stage without maybe having a towel or cup to spit into. even at rehearsals I was running outside to spit in the grass every few songs... so please, don't try to trivialize my issues to push your own agenda and opinion
Kettle? Don't you inhale a substance that is considered illegal as well?
Yes pot, I do but mine is only considered illegal by one gov't faction.
Yes Kettle, but you inhale about 10 times the amount if not more, and there have been no medical studies to prove either of these substances to be unsafe, so why take the high ground on morality then?
anyway... I don't agree with going back to analogs. speak to your doctor or dentist about these issues. The human body can have reactions to all kinds of substances out there, and some things only affect certain people. I had some bleeding gums for a while but subsided. sure was nasty on long motorcycle rides.
for the record Rachel, I had to quit smoking the unmentionable while vaping because the combination made me feel like I was having an asthma attack. then just vaping did that. I quit vaping for MY health, not for accolades. Truth is, it's not 100% safe for everyone. We know what pg and vg do in out systems but flavourings have never really been tested.
And phlegm was a huge issue for me, which is now gone. I couldn't see doing a full set on stage without maybe having a towel or cup to spit into. even at rehearsals I was running outside to spit in the grass every few songs... so please, don't try to trivialize my issues to push your own agenda and opinion
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