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Hangar....I have tried all methods using needles (from the top), dripping form the battery end and topping off (from the top). For the first time I got a good fill after reading pocket Aces post. I put about 8 drops of fluid from the battery end then I opened the top and topped off as well. I made sure there was no excess fluid by wiping any excess fluid with a napkin. I then put everything together.....and started blowing from the mouth piece while holding a napkin at the battery connector end of the cart....this got rid of all excess fluid from the cart. This time the carts didn't overheat, the vapor production increased...the taste improved...but no throat hit at all. I'll keep doing this and see if I get consistent results. Refilling these aren't as simple as I had hoped.
yes EDO, please keep us posted one way or another...I will hopefully be receiving my nebula within another day or 2 and once i vape through a stock cart ill try my hand at refilling and get back to you about my personal findings with this.
Thanks for the info!
Thanks for the info!
Hangar...There are a few problems with refilling these devices. One is the fluid that we use is just not the same fluid in the carts. These units run very hot so if the cart runs low you will get a burnt taste (I think it is the taste of the cart material starting to melt) and if you put too much fluid it will start to boil the liquid and burn your lips. I guess I was overfilling these so that is why I burning my lips. I successfully reffilled for a second time...again tons of vapor but no throat hit....I am going to use my shag cigar liquid and see if I can get some throat hit. I'll keep every one posted.
I said I would keep every one posted so here it goes. If you refill while there is some of the original liquid still left in the carts then it will produce tons of vapor but no throat hit. As the original liquid lessens and the liquid your adding gets to be a higher percentage...then these carts start falling apart....vapor production goes down, taste becomes very bland....throat hit none existent. You have to keep refilling more and more with less and less results. Also with more refills the draw becomes harder. It is less of a pain to refill 901 carts ...and you'll get better results with the 901s.
So if you want a disposable cartomizer device this is a very good one (I would definitely purchase it from Ed at Vaporello) But don't expect to use it again and again, like a 901, and get good results.....at least not with the eliquids we have.
BTW...the best way for me was to refill from the battery side.
So if you want a disposable cartomizer device this is a very good one (I would definitely purchase it from Ed at Vaporello) But don't expect to use it again and again, like a 901, and get good results.....at least not with the eliquids we have.
BTW...the best way for me was to refill from the battery side.
EDO...ok i received my KR808D-1 (aka; Nebula) and have now been using it for around 48 hours. After these 1st 2 days of use I am still using the original hardware cartomizer that came inside my kit. I am currently on my 5th refill of that cart. So in essence I have so far gotten about 6 uses out of 1 cart, but as of now i think this will be its last use because its starting to taste a little burnt at times now and throat hit seems to be getting a bit erratic, sometimes harsh and yet other times weakened. Also im noticing the cart gets hotter and hotter with every refill so thats probably why (its getting hot now but not scalding where it would burn me).
Here are my basic findings so far:
Each time i refilled the cart (with about 1 ml of liquid) I would get about 60 or so LONG drags (plus primer puffs) before having to refill. The vapor and throat hit, while definitely somewhat diminished from the original "out of the box filled state", was still quite good for me..in fact, using the refilled cart still blew away my M401's throat hit by a good margin. Now whether or not this was just lucky because i had a good cart i dont know yet because as i said this is my very first cart ive tried thus far...so i will have to see how my other carts hold up in comparison. But if I judge from this cart alone I'd say I can probably count on being able to refill a cart perhaps 3 or 4 times on average before its not worth the bother due to bad taste or poor vapor. Some carts may get me a bit more usage, some might get me even less...verdict is still out on this for me.
By the way...I filled it using both methods (cap popping from top and filling with syringe around edges of filler material AND by simply dripping 20 drops through battery end)...both ways have worked for me but im not certain yet which i think works best as far as vapor quality.
So basically i have found so far that this unit CAN be refilled and still yield good results...although those results are not quite as good as a fresh new cartomizer, natuarally.
I'm really liking it alot because it offers me great convenience as an ecig to use while away from home without needing to drip/refill. If you're a pack a day smoker (10-12 puffs every 30-45 minutes or so) id say the carts should last you at least 5 or 6 hours before having to worry about refilling or replacing, possibly even longer than that. Vapor seems greatly reduced once the battery is over 4 hours old from a fully charged state, so Id suggest recharging about every 4.5 hours.
Here are my basic findings so far:
Each time i refilled the cart (with about 1 ml of liquid) I would get about 60 or so LONG drags (plus primer puffs) before having to refill. The vapor and throat hit, while definitely somewhat diminished from the original "out of the box filled state", was still quite good for me..in fact, using the refilled cart still blew away my M401's throat hit by a good margin. Now whether or not this was just lucky because i had a good cart i dont know yet because as i said this is my very first cart ive tried thus far...so i will have to see how my other carts hold up in comparison. But if I judge from this cart alone I'd say I can probably count on being able to refill a cart perhaps 3 or 4 times on average before its not worth the bother due to bad taste or poor vapor. Some carts may get me a bit more usage, some might get me even less...verdict is still out on this for me.
By the way...I filled it using both methods (cap popping from top and filling with syringe around edges of filler material AND by simply dripping 20 drops through battery end)...both ways have worked for me but im not certain yet which i think works best as far as vapor quality.
So basically i have found so far that this unit CAN be refilled and still yield good results...although those results are not quite as good as a fresh new cartomizer, natuarally.
I'm really liking it alot because it offers me great convenience as an ecig to use while away from home without needing to drip/refill. If you're a pack a day smoker (10-12 puffs every 30-45 minutes or so) id say the carts should last you at least 5 or 6 hours before having to worry about refilling or replacing, possibly even longer than that. Vapor seems greatly reduced once the battery is over 4 hours old from a fully charged state, so Id suggest recharging about every 4.5 hours.
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Hangar thanks for the response....What brand of liquid are you using? I wonder if the fact that I like to use very thick liquids has anything to do with not being able to refill successfully. I use Pure and Bestecig liquids (cigar/french pipe). Keep us posted.
EDO - hiya...ive been refilling mostly with TW so far (which is thicker stuff than Puresmoker's)...ive also used vapornines liquid once or twice on a refill successfully...but i havent tried my puresmoker yet because TW usually has the biggest throat hits for me with my other ecigs so im trying to test with the biggest bang first, heh.
Theres 1 thing im noticing about my nebula...during the times when vapor production and throat hit is very low, unless you are really tuned into what you are doing (timewise and keeping track of drag counts, etc), it can be difficult to ascertain whether it is the battery that is getting low or if its the cart that needs refilling...this is what i suggest you do as a test:
First...make CERTAIN you are working with an fully charged battery, these batts tend to drop off in power fairly quickly and this seems to be their biggest fault IMO...after 3 hours youll start to notice a drop off in vapor and throat hit and after 4 hours youre really suckin air, lol so make sure you're freshly charged enough ( i charged my batts for 8 hours in the begining, and then about 3 hours thereafter.
Second...make sure youre not underfilling the cart...i open the top up and stick a syringe (filled with about 3/4ths ml) far down the sides of the filler material and then disperse that liquid around the outer edges...some at 12 o clock, some at 3 o clock, some at 6 o clock, etc. until you see the filling getting pretty wet, but not crazy where its getting pooled all over the place. If you get too much just absorb some of the excess with a piece of paper towel or napkin. If you get some leaking out the battery end just soak it up and then try to get it to disperse a little better by rolling the cart around on a table for a couple minutes and also leaving it sit on end (mouthside down) for a few minutes to help get the liquid further away from the battery end...again if you need to soak-up a bit off the top with a paper towel then do so...just be very gentle and dont push the wire in there too much. Once the filler is nicely wet and you are sure theres no liquid leaking out of the battery end put back both caps (inner rubber and outer plastic)...placing the inner rubber cap only far enough down so that you can fit the outer plastic cap ontop of it and still have some slight space between them.
Now...for me...once that cart is wet and the caps are back on...as long as i have strong battery power you should have good throat hit...sometimes it takes 5-10 puffs to really get going but it improves as you go along usually.
Ok NOW...all that being said there is 1 MORE THING to be aware of here that MIGHT drastically affect your results. Some carts have slightly larger air spaces (holes) than others...not by much but enough to make a difference. I have no idea what your model has in regards to this and whether you have the carts with the smaller air holes or the larger ones so lets play a game here...you know those 4 air holes that run along where the batt meets the cart?...well, before you take any puffs cover up 3 of the holes with your fingers tightly so you hear no more whistle sound when dragging...take a medium length primer puff of maybe 2-3 seconds and then quickly resume with a longer full puff and see if that helps you any. I noticed that on my unit with the larger holed carts i get much better performance by doing this BUT you have to take VERY LONG SLOW drags. I just hold the ecig sort of like youd hold a tiporello or small cigar (in between mid thumb and base of index finger) and then just wrap index finger around so its covers up some of them holes!...youll know youre doing it right when the air sound gets much quieter
Hope that helps some
PS - im using 16-18mg strength liquids only right now. Nothing higher, nothing lower. If you have some 18mg totally wicked marlboro try loading that up. If you still cant get excellent throat hit using TW high marlboro or Camel then id say just return it and get a nebula maybe...im only saying that because lots of vapor but no throat hit means either weak liquid OR bad equipment.
Theres 1 thing im noticing about my nebula...during the times when vapor production and throat hit is very low, unless you are really tuned into what you are doing (timewise and keeping track of drag counts, etc), it can be difficult to ascertain whether it is the battery that is getting low or if its the cart that needs refilling...this is what i suggest you do as a test:
First...make CERTAIN you are working with an fully charged battery, these batts tend to drop off in power fairly quickly and this seems to be their biggest fault IMO...after 3 hours youll start to notice a drop off in vapor and throat hit and after 4 hours youre really suckin air, lol so make sure you're freshly charged enough ( i charged my batts for 8 hours in the begining, and then about 3 hours thereafter.
Second...make sure youre not underfilling the cart...i open the top up and stick a syringe (filled with about 3/4ths ml) far down the sides of the filler material and then disperse that liquid around the outer edges...some at 12 o clock, some at 3 o clock, some at 6 o clock, etc. until you see the filling getting pretty wet, but not crazy where its getting pooled all over the place. If you get too much just absorb some of the excess with a piece of paper towel or napkin. If you get some leaking out the battery end just soak it up and then try to get it to disperse a little better by rolling the cart around on a table for a couple minutes and also leaving it sit on end (mouthside down) for a few minutes to help get the liquid further away from the battery end...again if you need to soak-up a bit off the top with a paper towel then do so...just be very gentle and dont push the wire in there too much. Once the filler is nicely wet and you are sure theres no liquid leaking out of the battery end put back both caps (inner rubber and outer plastic)...placing the inner rubber cap only far enough down so that you can fit the outer plastic cap ontop of it and still have some slight space between them.
Now...for me...once that cart is wet and the caps are back on...as long as i have strong battery power you should have good throat hit...sometimes it takes 5-10 puffs to really get going but it improves as you go along usually.
Ok NOW...all that being said there is 1 MORE THING to be aware of here that MIGHT drastically affect your results. Some carts have slightly larger air spaces (holes) than others...not by much but enough to make a difference. I have no idea what your model has in regards to this and whether you have the carts with the smaller air holes or the larger ones so lets play a game here...you know those 4 air holes that run along where the batt meets the cart?...well, before you take any puffs cover up 3 of the holes with your fingers tightly so you hear no more whistle sound when dragging...take a medium length primer puff of maybe 2-3 seconds and then quickly resume with a longer full puff and see if that helps you any. I noticed that on my unit with the larger holed carts i get much better performance by doing this BUT you have to take VERY LONG SLOW drags. I just hold the ecig sort of like youd hold a tiporello or small cigar (in between mid thumb and base of index finger) and then just wrap index finger around so its covers up some of them holes!...youll know youre doing it right when the air sound gets much quieter
Hope that helps some
PS - im using 16-18mg strength liquids only right now. Nothing higher, nothing lower. If you have some 18mg totally wicked marlboro try loading that up. If you still cant get excellent throat hit using TW high marlboro or Camel then id say just return it and get a nebula maybe...im only saying that because lots of vapor but no throat hit means either weak liquid OR bad equipment.
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Thanks for the detailed response. I have also noticed some of the carts have larger air holes...I file the the edge of the carts down on those a little and then they perform well. There is something about the battery comments you made...I don;t know maybe it is me and I am jinxed...but three of my batteries stopped working. I think the problem is that they lost the connection to the cart. They light up and charge...but they don;t vape. There are serious quality control issues here. I tried some new batteries and the carts are a blast now. A lot of vapor and throat hit...so I don't know. I think I have to make a mod compatible with the VK carts. I have a 401.... two batteries over three months old and they work great and one of the atomizer lasted three months of hard vaping. I hope you have better luck with the VK than I have had.
I don't have that kind of patience... my cartomizer lasted longer than the battery lol!
This is the method I used to refill (pop off cap and needle at 3, 6, 9, and 12)and I am using zero nic arctic mint from JC (which we all know is weak) and STILL getting good throat hit off it.. though I may have a little of the original fluid left in.. I did wash it a few times before refilling (allergic to PG). It had been great so far. Only refilled twice and have been using it all day! Will let ya know how many refills it takes to get to the burnt taste.
Hangar.. you missed the Vapers Club meetiing AGAIN last night! You gotta make the next one!
Hi Guys, I have an e9, which as I understand it is fairly similar to the vaporello as it also uses a cartomizer. I got a burning taste from one of my cartomizers after about 3-5 cigarettes worth of smoking. I decided to open it up to see what burned and I was not happy with what I found.
The "Cartomizer" consists of a small guage wire coil wrapped up inside of a roll of mystery fabric. The fabric that is directly touching the coil begins to burn during normal use. I've opened other cartomizers that lasted 15 to 20+ cigarettes(with refilling) and only began to give off a slight burning taste, barely noticeable. When I opened it I found that again this material was starting to burn. This is scary.
While I realize that the cartomizer is not designed to be re-filled, even through normal use, this fabric will burn and we will inhale it. Does anyone know what this fabric is made out of? I don't think it is polyester as it rips very easily, if it is then we are breathing highly toxic fumes. Whatever it is, I really don't want to roll it up and smoke it, but this seems to be the indicator that the cart is done.
Im not sure if I'll continue to use "Cartomizers".
Spikey, what have you found. When I last saw you (At Applebee's-vapors meeting) you had just gotten your cartomiser model.
-Doug
The "Cartomizer" consists of a small guage wire coil wrapped up inside of a roll of mystery fabric. The fabric that is directly touching the coil begins to burn during normal use. I've opened other cartomizers that lasted 15 to 20+ cigarettes(with refilling) and only began to give off a slight burning taste, barely noticeable. When I opened it I found that again this material was starting to burn. This is scary.
While I realize that the cartomizer is not designed to be re-filled, even through normal use, this fabric will burn and we will inhale it. Does anyone know what this fabric is made out of? I don't think it is polyester as it rips very easily, if it is then we are breathing highly toxic fumes. Whatever it is, I really don't want to roll it up and smoke it, but this seems to be the indicator that the cart is done.
Im not sure if I'll continue to use "Cartomizers".
Spikey, what have you found. When I last saw you (At Applebee's-vapors meeting) you had just gotten your cartomiser model.
-Doug
After using the carts for a over a month now....I have taken many used carts apart and every single time it is like you said....the fire ......ant material burnt through as well as the cart material. SO I am conflicted I like the product a lot but this burning through cart material is scary.
EDO, I read on a different thread that the "Red Dragon" Cartomizers do not burn, they simply stop producing vapor. I'm thinking of getting some to try. In the meantime, I think everyone should be very cautious about this burning taste and stop using a cartomizer immediately when they sense even the slightest burning taste. This will however, seriously limit the life of the cart. It makes re-filling them less effective because I've found that even if I keep the cart topped off, the material still burns just a little after it would have died without re-filling. Maybe I'm extending the life by 50% at most. Too bad because replacing cartomizers frequently is going to seriously increase the cost of E-Smoking. Also, this e-cig.com xtra high cart (26mg) makes my head feel a little funny and I usually smoke TW 36mg or e-liquidplanet 16mg.
Doug...I was researching the red dragon as well. I don't know how they compare to the KR808d1(DVP9). I heard their batteries don't last long enough and there is little to no throat hit. Let us know if you do try it out. I don't know if there is a better substitute for the DVP9s...but I definitely won't be using these carts as soon as I get any burning taste or smell. I don't think they are going to be my go to ecigs anymore. I am going to try these with Johnsons Creek juice and see if it helps...I been told they run much cooler with JC juice.
Doug... I reread your first post and I thought we were talking about Vaporellos/eastmall DVP9...which is the KR808D-1....which is the same as the VaporKing, Nebula, Zues etc. You posted in the wrong thread. What you have is the E9..which is the same as the Red Dragon, loongtotem V9...etc. The E9 isn't compatible with the DVP9. It can get confusing at times whats what with these ecigs. Anyway don't bother buying a red dragon...since it is what you have anyway.
EDO, I understanfd that the E9 is not the same as the vaporello, however the vaporello, vaporking, bloog, loontotem, dvp9...etc are all cartomizer style e-cigs and I think alot of people are seeing similar things. These are supposed to be the next generation of E-cigs. I think everyone with one of these models should be aware of one thing. The cartridge material begins to "BURN" almost immediately, even though you can't taste it yet. I have sacrificed a few cartomizers now at various points and everytime the material is clearly burnt. Even after only 2-3 cigarettes worth of vaping(smoking). So with these models, you actually are smoking, for real. Your actually smoking the cartridge material, even when you can't taste it yet. This to me seems to be the most dangerous style E-cig I have ever seen. It is similar to taking a paper towel, stuffing it in a pipe, dousing it with E-liquid, and smoking it for real. I hope everyone understands whats going on here and if you don't beleive me, open up a cartomizer after 40 puffs and tell me what you see. BE CAREFUL EVERYONE, THIS COULD BE A SERIOUS HEATH RISK. I don't know what that material is but it smells toxic to me when it burns. I can really only speak for the E9 though, but I dont think anyone can tell me anything that's gonna make me believe that it's OK to inhale the "SMOKE" these things put out. Be careful!
Sorry for posting this in the vaporello thread, I don't have a vaporello and cannot honestly speak for its behaviour relative to burnning, but I do believe all the "Cartomizer" generation of E-cigs(including the vaporello) share this problem. Alot of people seem to be noticing the "Burnt taste" (in all cartomizer models) but I don't think anyone realizes how potentially dangerous this is. I'm also not sure how safe "Burning" E-liquid is either. And yes, I've even tried to keep the material saturated to help prevent the burning and it still burnt fairly quickly.
Does anyone else agree with me???
I'm relatively new to E-cigs, but I'm very technical and I've done ALOT of homework on E-Cigs.
Does anyone think this is SAFE??????
Does anyone else agree with me???
I'm relatively new to E-cigs, but I'm very technical and I've done ALOT of homework on E-Cigs.
Does anyone think this is SAFE??????
Doug...I have taken apart the DVP9 many times and it is true that the cart material burns...but not as bad the version you have...atleast not as soon. Your safe for about 150-200 hits if you keep the cart filled right. But I agree that this is probably the most dangerous type of ecig. Too bad....I had initially not liked them too much...but now that I have mastered how and when to refill them...these are probably the best ecigs out there bar none. And I have all the major type of ecigs. The only solace I have is that the batteries are 901 compatible. I will use my remaining carts very sparingly and once they are done I won't order anymore.
Hey Doug! Glad to see ya made it on... It took me 3 or 4 refills... but I do find that burning. I also notice that when refilling (I use a syringe after opening the cartomizer) the excess spill off juice is DARK brown (burnt!!!).
I wouldn't think it would be bad to use them.. just to refill them. I am allergic to PG so unless someone starts filling them with VG they are now useless to me
Sad cause these DPV9's have such a great hit!- Status
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