VaporMoon & The Saber Touch Official Thread!

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Sir_Lawrence

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You know, the funny thing is...
All the people that put my company down because I was sick... all the people that posted on the mod Envy Facebook page, are most likely the ones that will enter the contest.
Trust me... I still have the link and names of all of those people that swore they would put me out of business. If they enter, I can disqualify them.
Even people in Maryland had some nasty comments about me.
I'm sorry I got sick... complain to GOD like I have been.
I want my ECF site to be like it use to be. Friends came to talk, ask questions, and have a good time. And after 5 years, most of them are still using their Sabers!

Keep On Vapin,... It will save your life!
 

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Sir Lawrance. I truly hope and pray that you stay healthy.
I've posted earlier in this thread that we both are mature enough to agree to disagree.
You came through like a Champion.
I personally will never bad mouth you, your company or that magical Saber Touch.
I also have had problems with health. If others can't understand that. Then let it be their problem.

BTW. My mod envy is one oh my favorite Saber's.

Be blessed and be safe.


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A single day of parking while vacationing in MD cost more than my Saber did! Even so the van was broken into and we lost about 4k worth of stuff...plus several hours of time dealing with the police/insurance reports.

I pay tens of thousands of dollars a year in property taxes but there's still giant holes in the road and the tap water still looks and tastes like rust. I'd fix it MYSELF for a tax voucher...and am about desperate enough to fix it WITHOUT a voucher, but the world says 'no go bro'.

People are just frustrated in general Sir Lawrence. It's not fair they're taking it all out on you...but try not to let it get you down. Keep making Sabers for those that want them and the rest will sort itself out.

I much appreciate that I was able to design my own Saber exactly like I wanted it. I chose to design a unit that hits my sweet spot with every puff, and is super easy to use (I chose to trade some safety features for ease of use...my choice...and I'm grateful I did). No one else on the planet that I could find was willing or able to make a unit to these specifications...for ANY price or wait-time. Supply and Demand. It's just that simple.

Get well...and rekindle the joy of making Sabers. I'm looking forward to the near future, where your health and finances allow you the time and resources to develop and innovate more products and choices.
 
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A single day of parking while vacationing in MD cost more than my Saber did! Even so the van was broken into and we lost about 4k worth of stuff...plus several hours of time dealing with the police/insurance reports.

I pay tens of thousands of dollars a year in property taxes but there's still giant holes in the road and the tap water still looks and tastes like rust. I'd fix it MYSELF for a tax voucher...and am about desperate enough to fix it WITHOUT a voucher, but the world says 'no go bro'.

People are just frustrated in general Sir Lawrence. It's not fair they're taking it all out on you...but try not to let it get you down. Keep making Sabers for those that want them and the rest will sort itself out.

I much appreciate that I was able to design my own Saber exactly like I wanted it. I chose to design a unit that hits my sweet spot with every puff, and is super easy to use (I chose to trade some safety features for ease of use...my choice...and I'm grateful I did). No one else on the planet that I could find was willing or able to make a unit to these specifications...for ANY price or wait-time. Supply and Demand. It's just that simple.

Get well...and rekindle the joy of making Sabers. I'm looking forward to the near future, where your health and finances allow you the time and resources to develop and innovate more products and choices.
That was very nice.
See, originally, I went to college to study Photography. I got my BS at Maryland.
I worked at Dominos and assisting photographers until I had enough money to open my own studio in NY and Baltimore.
Well, My dream came true... had both studios opened for graphic and advertising photograph.
Then, in my 3 story studio in Baltimore, I opened a sound studio for people auditioning for roles. Met some good people!
It got to the point where I was paying Lawyers more to collect money for me than what I charged.
And I mean some major magazines and ad agencies, both NY and Balto.
Couldn't do it any more after 17 years!
I then got into my love of work... furniture building.
I take very rich people's furniture, and make copies of their antiques in whatever design they want.
I still do this. But, unlike the ecig business, there is no time frame to get a $49K piece of furniture hand made.
To make Sabers, I did this to prevent me from smoking. Then everyone wanted one!
But see, people that lay down 30-40K for something handmade are willing to wait for the finest.
For a Saber Touch hand made made, people want it yesterday, even knowing it is all hand made.
This is my craft... and my love for making things.
Sorry to vent.
 

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That was very nice.
See, originally, I went to college to study Photography. I got my BS at Maryland.
I worked at Dominos and assisting photographers until I had enough money to open my own studio in NY and Baltimore.
Well, My dream came true... had both studios opened for graphic and advertising photograph.
Then, in my 3 story studio in Baltimore, I opened a sound studio for people auditioning for roles. Met some good people!
It got to the point where I was paying Lawyers more to collect money for me than what I charged.
And I mean some major magazines and ad agencies, both NY and Balto.
Couldn't do it any more after 17 years!
I then got into my love of work... furniture building.
I take very rich people's furniture, and make copies of their antiques in whatever design they want.
I still do this. But, unlike the ecig business, there is no time frame to get a $49K piece of furniture hand made.
To make Sabers, I did this to prevent me from smoking. Then everyone wanted one!
But see, people that lay down 30-40K for something handmade are willing to wait for the finest.
For a Saber Touch hand made made, people want it yesterday, even knowing it is all hand made.
This is my craft... and my love for making things.
Sorry to vent.

I'm glad you chose to share your talents in lieu of sometimes having to put up with disgruntled people.
 

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I hate to bring this up.... CLONES
Why in the world would someone by a Cloned mod?
It was first made here, then made in China as a clone.
Why do you all want our money to go out of the country?
Doesn't make any sense.
I try my hardest to buy parts for making the Saber Touch to be all made in the USA.
I know I mill, and do everything from scratch.
But, to save a dollar, people are giving away money to other countries.
Please start buying products made in your own country!
It may save America!
 

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I think most ppl would agree with you. My understanding is the boards used in most vv/vw devices are from China due to no manufacturing in the states. I think it was Steam Monkey that had some lengthy discussions on Reddit about this, including a challenge with cash to bring manufacturing, at least ecig parts back to the US; cartos, switches, circuit boards, etc. I don't believe anything came of it.

Currently "clones" can mean a wide variety of things. Sometimes they are unofficial overruns that can be identical to the original but don't fall under the MRP. Basically a manufacturer or factory works boths sides for sales. Apple's expected a miracle to prevent that from happening.

Many times in China a manufacturer doesn't make anything but contracts the work out. Factory's are rented by the hour. You can have several factories making a single product or versions (Vision, Kanger, Siegeli). Alibaba's a confusing mess for anyone not expecting that.

A number of OEM clones are from manufacturers who rent the factory right after a brand name run and find the same tooling / sometimes raw materials left over and attempt to duplicate the product. They may make side deals with the original factory (their brother) to leave things that way.

Then you have companies who view "clonning" as evolving. The Siegeli Zmax was obviously cloned from the Provari sold at the time, but with VV/VW and OLED screen that customers requested. Pbsurado did a rant about that, then liked the device. Is that really a "clone", or a "clone" if a manufacturer sells the same thing without their name on it?

Most Chinese manufacturer minimum runs for mods are over 2,500 too. I don't think the US has the capacity to keep up with demand when even China has a hard time.

For many people, trying a cheap clone is a way to discover they want the real thing too. It's much easier to buy a KFL $30 clone than pay $100+ to test the waters. They are fully aware they are sacrificing quality, maybe function too, but if they get a taste that they'll enjoy the original, then they will want to or will buy the original. American's tend to have a short fuse for shoddy products overall. I think it's a minority that keep buying the fussy, Chinese hobby collections.

The ones that bug me most are the "clones" that duplicate the logo and phoney serial numbers. I'd call that counterfitting.

But "clones" is a broad term anymore. I don't think many people view that as being a high priority on the danger list.

I'm more worried about legislation that makes everything post 2007 illegal unless the device gets approval, which is expensive and impossible (so far). The more smokers can get their hands on any ecig devices, the less likely that will happen.
 
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OK... I agree.

I was the Original designer and maker of a Flashlight attachment for ecigs.
I had a company write me last weeks wanting to purchase over 200 of them.
I did give a price break even though there is no real mark up.
She said that my price was too high... she could get the same thing in China for a lot less.
I asked her to show me pics of what she saw in China.
Not only did they copy my product, but they used pictures I took of My product that they downloaded off of the web.
So please, buy original products. You never know what you are getting.
 

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That stinks. I hate to say this, but maybe you should consider watermarking photos. But that's a minor portion of the real problem.

My experience in a few coops dealing with Chinese manufacturing is that the customer will probably be in for a surprise anyway. Obviously the factory she's contacted intends to reverse engineer your design and well, those results are unpredictable. She may end up with 200 units of flashlights that don't work at all. Seriously. They don't use what they make nor test them.

Ecigs are not popular in China.

And maybe this'll make your day better. They also have a hard time understanding english / have Skype problems / vacation when it seems the most convienent (for them). Some factories are better than others. I hope she pays extra for test units first and then extras to cover any warrenty she offers. This is a reason custom order coops aren't allowed. It takes experience to successfully work with a Chinese factory. Even then it's problematic. She may be bald soon.

I also expect the factory will release her product before she gets her test units. Her revision will be their version 2. That's the way it works.


OK... I agree.

I was the Original designer and maker of a Flashlight attachment for ecigs.
I had a company write me last weeks wanting to purchase over 200 of them.
I did give a price break even though there is no real mark up.
She said that my price was too high... she could get the same thing in China for a lot less.
I asked her to show me pics of what she saw in China.
Not only did they copy my product, but they used pictures I took of My product that they downloaded off of the web.
So please, buy original products. You never know what you are getting.
 
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tnt56

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Sounds a lot like slowtech to me. Buy cheap and get cheap. Pay the little extra and USA all the way for this Okie.
Yea I got china mods. Sometimes they might even get used. Their the ones I don't care anything about.
For my USA mods. Well bring it on.
And to Sir Lawrance. A person brought a really fancy mod in the shop today. Wanted to show it off. I went out to talk to him as the GM was very busy, and I'm next in line.
Much to my surprise!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's the exact same Mod Envy version that I have.
Made for a really nice conversation.
Thank you for that moment in my day. (sure made me smile).
 

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There is nothing like the original. I made the move from cig-a-likes to the mighty Saber almost three years ago and I have never looked back. These are the highest quality mods available and they are very nice looking. I agree with Credo that the Saber hits the sweet spot every time, never fails. I also like the original flashlight attachments.

Do not buy anything from China. Slave labor never made anything worthwhile. Also, every dollar going overseas is like a bleeding vein for this country. Keep your dollars at work here and buy a Saber. You will not be disappointed!

Go get 'em, S.L.!!
 
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