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kathi17

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I loved the All Creatures Great and Small books starting in the 70's.

In 1978, they started running the TV shows, and they are still some of my favorite shows of all time.
 

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It wasn't just the soldiers who sacrificed.
Deaths caused by North Vietnam/VC forces
Viet Cong massacred hundreds of Montagnard civilians at the village of Dak Son, 1967

R. J. Rummel estimated that NVA/VC forces killed around 164,000 civilians in democide between 1954 and 1975 in South Vietnam, from a range of between 106,000 and 227,000.[14] Rummel's summary has a mid-level estimate of 17,000 South Vietnamese civil servants (ARVN's local millitia) killed by North Vietnamese forces (including the Viet Cong). In addition, at least 36,000 Southern civilians were executed for various reasons in the period 1967–1972.[15] About 130 American and 16,000 South Vietnamese POWs died in captivity.[16] During the peak war years, almost a third of civilian deaths were the result of Viet Cong atrocities.[17]
Deaths caused by South Vietnam

From 1964 to 1975, an estimated 1,500 people died during the forced relocations of 1,200,000 civilians, another 5,000 prisoners died from ill-treatment and about 30,000 suspected communists and fighters were executed. 6,000 civilians died in the more extensive shellings. In Quang Nam province 4,700 civilians were killed in 1969. This totals, from a range of between 42,000 and 118,000 deaths caused by South Vietnam, excluding North Vietnamese forces killed by the ARVN in combat.[18]
 

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The Viet Nam Wall - Thing You May Not Have Known
The Wall - A little history most people will never know.
Interesting Veterans Statistics off the Vietnam Memorial Wall
* There are 58,267 names now listed on that polished black wall, including those added in 2010.
* The names are arranged in the order in which they were taken from us by date and within each date the names are alphabetized. It is hard to believe it is 36 years since the last casualties.
* The first known casualty was Richard B. Fitzgibbon, of North Weymouth , Mass. Listed by the U.S. Department of Defense as having been killed on June 8, 1956. His name is listed on the Wall with that of his son, Marine Corps Lance Cpl. Richard B. Fitzgibbon III, who was killed on Sept. 7, 1965.
* There are three sets of fathers and sons on the Wall.
* 39,996 on the Wall were just 22 or younger.
* 8,283 were just 19 years old.
* The largest age group, 33,103 were 18 years old.
* 12 soldiers on the Wall were 17 years old.
* 5 soldiers on the Wall were 16 years old.
* One soldier, PFC Dan Bullock was 15 years old.
* 997 soldiers were killed on their first day in Vietnam.
* 1,448 soldiers were killed on their last scheduled day in Vietnam.
* 31 sets of brothers are on the Wall.
* Thirty one sets of parents lost two of their sons.
* 54 soldiers attended Thomas Edison High School in Philadelphia. I wonder why so many from one school.
* 8 Women are on the Wall. Nursing the wounded.
* 244 soldiers were awarded the Medal of Honor during the Vietnam War; 153 of them are on the Wall.
* Beallsville, Ohio with a population of 475 lost 6 of her sons.
* West Virginia had the highest casualty rate per capita in the nation. There are 711 West Virginians on the Wall.
* The Marines of Morenci - They led some of the scrappiest high school football and basketball teams that the little Arizona copper town of Morenci (pop. 5,058) had ever known and cheered. They enjoyed roaring beer busts. In quieter moments, they rode horses along the Coronado Trail, stalked deer in the Apache National Forest. And in the patriotic camaraderie typical of Morenci's mining families, the nine graduates of Morenci High enlisted as a group in the Marine Corps. Their service began on Independence Day, 1966. Only 3 returned home.
* The Buddies of Midvale - LeRoy Tafoya, Jimmy Martinez, Tom Gonzales were all boyhood friends and lived on three consecutive streets in Midvale, Utah on Fifth, Sixth and Seventh avenues. They lived only a few yards apart. They played ball at the adjacent sandlot ball field. And they all went to Vietnam. In a span of 16 dark days in late 1967, all three would be killed. LeRoy was killed on Wednesday, Nov. 22, the fourth anniversary of John F. Kennedy's assassination. Jimmy died less than 24 hours later on Thanksgiving Day. Tom was shot dead assaulting the enemy on Dec. 7, Pearl Harbor Remembrance Day.
* The most casualty deaths for a single day was on January 31, 1968 ~ 245 deaths.
* The most casualty deaths for a single month was May 1968 - 2,415 casualties were incurred.
For most Americans who read this they will only see the numbers that the Vietnam War created. To those who survived the war, and to the families of those who did not, we see the faces, we feel the pain that these numbers created. We are, until we too pass away, haunted with these numbers, because they were our friends, fathers, husbands, wives, sons and daughters.
There are no noble wars, just noble warriors.
 

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During the Vietnam War era...

I had friends who fled to Canada to avoid the Draft, I had friends who went to a Dr. to get out on a "4F", and I had friends who went to fight... Thank Goodness they all came back!!!

And I remember driving through one of the canyons out here in a friends '56 Ford... with the windows down and this song blasting out of the 8-track player... all of us singing along at the top of our lungs... :D




(a classic performance from the Hugh Hefner TV show, Playboy After Dark...)​
 

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Never knew WV had the most casualties, just know that I remember the protests and although my friends marched, I didn't. I had too many other friends in Nam. It was my choice but also one of the few times I talked this sort of thing over with my mom and she left it up to me. I visit the Wall every time I go to DC, no matter what. When I lived in AK and would go, several would ask me to make a rubbing of a name for them and I would and have my picture taken with it and then give them the paper and pic when I got back home. It is amazing how many cried when I handed these things to them.

 

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Today's will be more somber.

Vietnam War casualties, by year. Never forget those who gave all so we can enjoy our lives and freedoms.

1961 16
1962 52
1963 118
1964 206
1965 1,863
1966 6,143
1967 11,153
1968 16, 592
1969 11,616
1970 6,081
1971 2,357
1972 641
1973 168
1974 178
1975 161
1976 77
1977 96
1978 447
1979 148


Notice how the numbers dropped off in 1972??
That's because it was the year that they ended the Draft Lottery!!!

I had a friend who's Birthday was drawn as #1 right before that, and I never saw anybody so happy when the Lottery ended... :thumb:
 
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