Vcore - vertical micro coil in oddy/kayfun/Russian/Ithaca/ect.

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dice57

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Looking pretty good Kiwi, how high are the coils above the air intake? I've removed my air adjust screw, which gives me a tad bit more air, and the bottom of my coils are even with the screw heads. Noticed on the Rose the amount of air pocket between the air intake a coils is critical for proper air flow, to small a the draw is to tight, just right and smooth and easy vape flow.

I only get flood tendincies after refilling, after vaping down the rill saturation, it's smooth vaping till dry. although if the lower edge of the wicks are covering or blocking the bottom of the coils, this could produce some gurgling.
 

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Looking pretty good Kiwi, how high are the coils above the air intake? I've removed my air adjust screw, which gives me a tad bit more air, and the bottom of my coils are even with the screw heads. Noticed on the Rose the amount of air pocket between the air intake a coils is critical for proper air flow, to small a the draw is to tight, just right and smooth and easy vape flow.

I only get flood tendincies after refilling, after vaping down the rill saturation, it's smooth vaping till dry. although if the lower edge of the wicks are covering or blocking the bottom of the coils, this could produce some gurgling.

Oh yeah! Winged that and it seems it's right. the base of my coils is flush with the top of the "post" screws.

And you're right about the flooding. It cleared up after approximately 9 pulls and it's chugging along now. Wub!


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And you're right about the flooding. It cleared up after approximately 9 pulls and it's chugging along now. Wub!

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:D that there gives me a big ole grin, when top tilling both the Russian & Rose2, fill time is sit back and power vape time. All my 0.4 ohmish builds get the Max treatment of 5.5 volts till she's cleared out the heavily primed coil, that the pressure created from screwing the top down, forcing juice into the build chamber.

Get some serious syrupy vape for the first 5 minutes, but once pressure equalizes it smooooth vaping. On jc devices, have to be careful also when first cracking open the jc. I'll usually open 1/2 turn, and vape, sometimes having to jc down, vape off, crack open, then find the balance point for the watts I'm vaping at.

One thing I like about both ramie and rayon, both have almost instantaneous results when adjusting jc. both take about a days vaping or so, to break in proper. Ramie seams to firm up, while rayon firms down. Seems crazy, but that is what I am seeing in tanked rba's. Haven't tried rayon yet in the magma, still have another month left on the ramie wicks that are in them now, and they be vaping to good to sacrifice after only 6 weeks of service :D



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I'll usually first vape with the air hole facing up, then by gently tipping the mod up while vaping, can coax all excess juice into the coil, being careful not to tip to high, unless I really do want to "taste my juice" :lol: If it's to flooded, happens ocassionly, will just blow out the excess. I have the full Russian, 3.1 kayfun style, and the collection chamber can collect quite a bit of juice.

side note: nic appears to more heavily penetrate and absorbed by the body, when you taste your juice, least that's my observation. :lol:
 
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Jeremy I just built a vertical coil in GG iAtty. It is a 2mm coil, 1 ohm, 28 gauge wire. I stuffed the ceramic with rayon. When l look through the mouthpiece i see light so it has perfect alignment. However when I vape on it on don't get much vapor and a strong throat hit. As if the airhole is not on the coil in a dripper. I couldn't go more than 13 watts because I have problems with my mods right now. Any advice? Maybe the diameter is too big? Or the wattage is the problem?
 

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Strong th sound like its super saturated . Have you closed the jc all the way and vaped it to dry it up... I usually use a coil that matches the air hole, 1/16 on gg clone

Interesting you might be right. It is an iatty so no juice control. It seems it is wicking too good lol. By the way do you have an explanation why would too much saturation give strong th while not too much vapor? I will fix up some mods to get to 16 watts. Thanks.
 

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After skimming this thread and the one on parallel coils I was inspired to build this.

.8 ohm parallel coil using 2 strands of 28g kanthal. Bent in the middle to form the inverted v. This is by far the best build on my kayfun lite to date. Great flavor, thick vapor. Heats up fast but is only a slightly warm vape even when I'm chain vaping. I don't have any pics of it after wicking but this is the best I've I could get using my phone. I highly recommend trying it.
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Interesting you might be right. It is an iatty so no juice control. It seems it is wicking too good lol. By the way do you have an explanation why would too much saturation give strong th while not too much vapor? I will fix up some mods to get to 16 watts. Thanks.

It's just how it works, with a flooded coil at lower power it is too wet to produce good vapor but you get a harsh th. Typically more power is the answer to clear it and get back to vapor production.

Add a little more rayon to the juice flow channels. It's easy to add rayon in little pieces/ tufts to slow juice flow
 

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My latest creation and acquisitions.

Did this all last night, and while doing the final edit, my cat slapped the mouse, or the ecf clicked over, and lost everything. grr, so trying now:D:lol:

This is just a duplication of the iV-twin build that I developed for the Russian, times two. The Russian was my first rba, have built it almost every way know possible, but none came even close to the iV-twin, upon seeing a good pic of the Buddha's platform, didn't hesitate to buy.. :D So may I introduce to you, the one and only billy sheer's

dice's iV-4 Big Block Buddha Build

This particular build is with 22 gauge Kanthal A1, basically a light weight paper clip. Built a 12 wrap coil using an 1.7 mm mandrel, which was included in the Artistic Wire Coiling Gizmo (Happens to be on sale, at the time of this posting, btw.:D) tension wrapped, producing purrrfect coils.:D

Then using a small pocket knife, count the ridges to find the center, push between the loops, and bend in two. Its a process of using the mandrel, sometimes 2 pieces, and bending it so the outer edges of the V span the distance between the 2 screw heads. Every now and then, having to use pliers to squeeze the coil loops back together.

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I did first drill out the air intakes on the big block to 1.7 mm, to match the inside diameter of coils wrapped. Opened up the Vape flow nicely. Liked it so well, drilled # 0745 to 1.9 mm.

When bent up and over the intakes, the bottom of the coils should be even with the top of the screw heads, so then once wicked, there's intake area created for equal pressure release through both chimneys.

Do pay special attention to the - post, where the wire bends up, there is risk of creating short, just something to watch, no matter how Buddha's built.

Once in position, leads trimmed, it is most important to balance your IV-4 coils, want them all pulsing in time, so through pulsing and squeezing the coils, this can be achieved. Really it can, may use up 1/2 your battery, but it can be done:D The iV that heats up the quickest needs to be squeezed. Once done, ready to wick.

To wick this big block, I used a single strand of Ramie fiber, 8" long, when wetted with juice, formed a wick wide enough to cover the side of the coil. Start off by threading between one V. (in retro spec, going through both initially may be easier:D

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then surround it entirely with wick.

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Now to cross over to the other side, I let up on the first loop to thread between the second V, upon reflection, could of saved time and effort probably by just going between the two initially, but this worked:D

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Once through second coil, wrap it also, then wrap both tails back to their opposite sides. Want to wrap your tails clockwise around the coils, otherwise, screwing on the containment ring can muck up all this work:D Basically when complete, have surrounded the build 2-3 times with fiber, mass wicking potential is achieved:D

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Once done and everything is tucked in, have used up most all the available space inside the combustion chamber. Normally I'll tuck the tails straight up when securing the containment ring, then tuck down the tails, but with the Buddha, there is so much juice deck area, was able to wet the wick a bit, trim a tad, and everything stayed encapsulated, and easily secured the secretchamber wall without risk of catching fibers, and clogging juice channels

Must say, the Buddha is easily fully disassembled, easy to mod where necessary, built well, and can Vape with the best of them. Using 22 gauge brought my ohms down to 0.26. Quick heat up time, very juicy and flavorful vape, with ample volume, Very Ample:D

I now take dual Buddhas with me to work, and maybe a Russian, Rose, flashi or Erli:D Loving the Big Gunns:D

speaking of which

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Vape long and acquireProsper.!!!

Doctor, doctor, give the news, I got a bad case of vape mail fumes:D

Speaking of which, the Doctor returns in just a few days!!! Who that is, Doctor Who!!! twisty whisty timey whimey, and all that rot!
 
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Thanks Jeremy, wicked them both with ramie though, didn't eve think of doing one in rayon. When building, I just go with the creative flow, just grabbed the ramie from instinct.

Yeah, feel like super charging it, maybe a blower or something :D:lol: She's real fine my iV4, great on both cores.!!! though pulse/squeeze tuning can be a bit frustrating.:facepalm:
 

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Great thread Jeremy! I read the whole things lol. built a single vert coil for the first time. 32 ga 5/64 bit 7 wraps gave me 2.8- 3.0 ohms...
soooo much better than the horizontal coil. I followed what you and Dice recommended, other than I'm using organic cotton on a russian 91 v2.
I'm 9 weeks off analogs and loving the vape!!! Thank you ALL for the awesome info!!! great forum here!!
 

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With the right rba's find the Verticals enhance the vape experience. Find better performance, flavor, and a smoother vape. Cotton should be fine, but have experienced flooding the chamber if to much cotton is used around the coil. Don't experience this with hemp, Ramie or Rayon.

Been dialing in the Gus Estia 510, which screams I want it straight Up. picked up some 24 gauge, 3 coil's, 9 wraps, 0.24 ohms, and vapes like a pipe dream, or something like that. Only thing I have close that matches the performance is the flashi, on the Raptor, pushing 60 watts, damn fine vape.
 
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