Venders PLEASE EXPLAIN~~~PG is my worse NIGHTMARE!!!
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$10 for 30ml?
As much as I love EC Blends I am going to have to check these guys out next time i need some joose.
As someone who is PG allergic - I get it. I can tolerate the relatively minimal about of PG used in flavorings. But locating vendors that (readily) supply 100 VG base liquids can be hard to find. Harder than it should be. I just want to order - I don't want to have to send e-mails asking what base a vendor uses, be told to "just order the PG stuff and send us a separate e-mail and ask us to do your order as VG" etc. When I mention in order comments, should a vendor send any samples I can only use 100 VG, some have replied "Sorry! We only have PG/VG base!" It can be exasperating.
The places and/or manufacturers I trust and have no PG problems with are:
The Vapor Room. Great flavors and for the money by far my favorite. You just select 100 VG from a drop down menu. It's an option for ALL their flavors - not just a select few. For people who really want to know TVR provides info on their site regarding how much PG is in their flavorings. Can't recall which but either the tobacco flavorings or the non tobacco flavors contain more PG than the other.
Any of the Dekang 100 VG is fine. Cignot probably has the biggest flavor selection, but not necessarily the best pricing as the largest size they carry is 20 ml. As large a manufacturer as DK is, it's surprising how hard it can be to find their stuff, let alone in the VG version.
Liberty Flights Original e-liquids in 100 VG. I have been told these are by Hangsen. The flavor profiles are very similar to the Dekang stuff.
Hope this helps.
The places and/or manufacturers I trust and have no PG problems with are:
The Vapor Room. Great flavors and for the money by far my favorite. You just select 100 VG from a drop down menu. It's an option for ALL their flavors - not just a select few. For people who really want to know TVR provides info on their site regarding how much PG is in their flavorings. Can't recall which but either the tobacco flavorings or the non tobacco flavors contain more PG than the other.
Any of the Dekang 100 VG is fine. Cignot probably has the biggest flavor selection, but not necessarily the best pricing as the largest size they carry is 20 ml. As large a manufacturer as DK is, it's surprising how hard it can be to find their stuff, let alone in the VG version.
Liberty Flights Original e-liquids in 100 VG. I have been told these are by Hangsen. The flavor profiles are very similar to the Dekang stuff.
Hope this helps.
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Thanks for the info everyone... I am ordering from D&D and Vapor Room....Let ya know....
LongHaul:7078757 said:If I mix my own I can't be mad at the vendor.....
Sent from my truck using 3 toasters a broken microwave and 6 rubber bands McGyver style......Chuck Norris aint got crap on me
Lol that's like saying you can't get mad at a restaurant because they made bad food-you still paid for it
Tons of companies do hand mixing when you order. My #1 vender is Heather's Heavenly Vapes. CS is as good as SI. Heather hand mixes when you order so it may take a couple days before it ships. I got 100% VG in 11 flavors (samples are great) with 12ml nig. There was not one flavor I could not vape. PG and high nic makes the room spin and I mean bad. I had to go to the dr. when it first started until I figured out what was doing it. Give her a try..
Prosmoke has 100% VG. They only have cartridges right now but are going to start selling their juice in bottles. It's the only juice I can vape all day and not wake up the next morning with a headache or raw throat.
Libert Flights has 100% VG.
E Liquid - Original - E Liquid 30ML - VG Others
E Liquid - Original - E Liquid 30ML - VG - Tobaccos
E Liquid - Original - E Liquid 30ML - VG Others
E Liquid - Original - E Liquid 30ML - VG - Tobaccos
Let me know how vapor room is can always use more flavors and places that have good vg. I see dnd put up some more flavors have to put in another order. Keep the venders comming there are a lot of us that need vg liquids nice to know where to go and not waste money on stuff that is not vapeible.
Didja checkout the Flavors of the Week at TVR at $10.00 for 30ml? (Well $11.00 for us 'cause they only do 100 VG in glass bottles and that costs a buck extra...)
TVR also has an ECF coupon code: THANKYOU for 10% off your order.
And a weekly 15 ml bottle giveaway contest in their ECF vendor forum.
Forgot to mention:
When your order from TVR they do send out a 3 ml sample with every order. If you put in your comments box on your order to please only send 100 VG samples as you are PG allergic or sensitive they will happily do so.
When your order from TVR they do send out a 3 ml sample with every order. If you put in your comments box on your order to please only send 100 VG samples as you are PG allergic or sensitive they will happily do so.
Hope you dont mind lady I a going to chime in here. I suffer form migranes so I had no idea. I ignored many symptoms until finally my mouth swelled up and got sores. I didn;t really ignore them I just attributed it to other things. I had no issues in the beginning of vaping but slowly they began. Here is what PG now does to me.
Acne
Dry lips
Itchy skin
Sneezing
Sinus problem
Lungs filling
Flu like symptoms
Burning urination
Asthma
Joint pain and proberbly more that I am still unaware of.
I ended up in the ER with anafalactic shock. Upon review of the medicine that I had it associated to it isn't PG it is PEG.
Within a day of vaping VG all sympoms were much better, 3 days they were gone.
My vender made me VG juice about 85% because the favors they use are in a PG base. They doubled the flavor so it should taste like normal to me. I was back in vape heaven for 6 hours. Then the symptoms began returning. Prior to then I had doubts that they were all associates with PG but I am now 100% positive.
These links are precious to me. I am not even going to try VG with PG flavoring for a while. I will be vaping VG only. Upon searching the threads I found it amazing how many people will try to make you feel like you are crazy if you are alergic to PG. You're over vaping, over reacting, your mistaken. If you dont feel good after vaping, even if it has been a while you too may be developing an allergy.
Sorry for the rant I am now off to locate some juices.
Lori
Acne
Dry lips
Itchy skin
Sneezing
Sinus problem
Lungs filling
Flu like symptoms
Burning urination
Asthma
Joint pain and proberbly more that I am still unaware of.
I ended up in the ER with anafalactic shock. Upon review of the medicine that I had it associated to it isn't PG it is PEG.
Within a day of vaping VG all sympoms were much better, 3 days they were gone.
My vender made me VG juice about 85% because the favors they use are in a PG base. They doubled the flavor so it should taste like normal to me. I was back in vape heaven for 6 hours. Then the symptoms began returning. Prior to then I had doubts that they were all associates with PG but I am now 100% positive.
These links are precious to me. I am not even going to try VG with PG flavoring for a while. I will be vaping VG only. Upon searching the threads I found it amazing how many people will try to make you feel like you are crazy if you are alergic to PG. You're over vaping, over reacting, your mistaken. If you dont feel good after vaping, even if it has been a while you too may be developing an allergy.
Sorry for the rant I am now off to locate some juices.
Lori
Geezy peezy Lori so sorry to hear about that experience.
When I discussed vaping with my Allergist and the problems/reactions I had early on to PG liquids he very calmly walked over to the computer and printed out a case study on allergic reactions to PG in anesthesia patients and handed it to me. As an Allergist, he said allergic reactions to products containing PG are seen a lot in the practice and it's far from being an uncommon problem.
He has no problems with vaping. But an allergic reaction to a PG base vaping liquid? Didn't surprise him at all.
And before anyone starts freaking out and getting all hysterical - no, this isn't a problem for the majority of vapers. But there is potential for an allergic reaction. If you think that's what is going on it's easy enough to do a reality check. STOP vaping the PG base liquid and see if the symptoms go away - usually in short order. Switch to a 100 VG based liquid and see if the symptoms stay away. And of course, should a reaction be as severe as Lori's get medical intervention.
For me: The first four days of vaping I kept getting nauseous. Every so often I would get a burst of itchiness on my hands. (Ever had an allergen "grid test" done on your skin and got a strong reaction to something? It was like that.) But on day four, after only a half dozen hits off my PV, WHAM! Nausea, vomiting, intense itching on my hands and forearms, and difficulty breathing. It felt like my lungs were lined with wet cheesecloth. The breathing weirdness was probably the scariest part. It wasn't scary enough for me to call 911 - but I thought about it...
I put down the PV and the symptoms slowly dissipated over the next three hours. I didn't touch it again for three days.
After I got my nerve back I researched the issue on ECF and after I got my balls back I cautiously proceeded to try my 100 VG base liquid and... no problems. No problems ever since.
Unfortunately Lori you could be one of the few who even has a reaction to the small relative amount of PG in flavorings. If that is the case it really narrows down your options. Check in with Annette at Virgin Vapors as I think she has a line with some completely 100 VG liquids.
And there are reports on ECF from people who have an allergic reaction to a specific ingredient in a flavoring itself - not necessarily to the PG or VG used in the flavoring.
This issue is why I suggest any newb should only get sample sizes in their first order, half of them most likely in high PG base and the other half in 100 VG base. It's hard enough for anyone new to this to figure out the right nicotine level and flavors. And should anyone have an allergy issue with either PG or VG it may rear up sooner (like me) rather than later. No point in spending piles on a boat load of liquids in that first order, should you come to find you cannot vape most of what you purchased if an allergic reaction pops up.
If this is a real issue for you get this in your medical records and mention it again - like twenty times - before any surgical procedure. PG is used in a lot of aerosol anesthesia. A test can be done prior to surgery to check for an allergic reaction and arrangements made to use a non PG based alternative.
HTH
When I discussed vaping with my Allergist and the problems/reactions I had early on to PG liquids he very calmly walked over to the computer and printed out a case study on allergic reactions to PG in anesthesia patients and handed it to me. As an Allergist, he said allergic reactions to products containing PG are seen a lot in the practice and it's far from being an uncommon problem.
He has no problems with vaping. But an allergic reaction to a PG base vaping liquid? Didn't surprise him at all.
And before anyone starts freaking out and getting all hysterical - no, this isn't a problem for the majority of vapers. But there is potential for an allergic reaction. If you think that's what is going on it's easy enough to do a reality check. STOP vaping the PG base liquid and see if the symptoms go away - usually in short order. Switch to a 100 VG based liquid and see if the symptoms stay away. And of course, should a reaction be as severe as Lori's get medical intervention.
For me: The first four days of vaping I kept getting nauseous. Every so often I would get a burst of itchiness on my hands. (Ever had an allergen "grid test" done on your skin and got a strong reaction to something? It was like that.) But on day four, after only a half dozen hits off my PV, WHAM! Nausea, vomiting, intense itching on my hands and forearms, and difficulty breathing. It felt like my lungs were lined with wet cheesecloth. The breathing weirdness was probably the scariest part. It wasn't scary enough for me to call 911 - but I thought about it...
I put down the PV and the symptoms slowly dissipated over the next three hours. I didn't touch it again for three days.
After I got my nerve back I researched the issue on ECF and after I got my balls back I cautiously proceeded to try my 100 VG base liquid and... no problems. No problems ever since.
Unfortunately Lori you could be one of the few who even has a reaction to the small relative amount of PG in flavorings. If that is the case it really narrows down your options. Check in with Annette at Virgin Vapors as I think she has a line with some completely 100 VG liquids.
And there are reports on ECF from people who have an allergic reaction to a specific ingredient in a flavoring itself - not necessarily to the PG or VG used in the flavoring.
This issue is why I suggest any newb should only get sample sizes in their first order, half of them most likely in high PG base and the other half in 100 VG base. It's hard enough for anyone new to this to figure out the right nicotine level and flavors. And should anyone have an allergy issue with either PG or VG it may rear up sooner (like me) rather than later. No point in spending piles on a boat load of liquids in that first order, should you come to find you cannot vape most of what you purchased if an allergic reaction pops up.
If this is a real issue for you get this in your medical records and mention it again - like twenty times - before any surgical procedure. PG is used in a lot of aerosol anesthesia. A test can be done prior to surgery to check for an allergic reaction and arrangements made to use a non PG based alternative.
HTH
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Im fine on VG! Thank you God. Rather than risk the base I ordered 100% VG not VG based. Yes to any newbies please dont let me scare you. Vape it is sooooooo much safer than smoking and mine is a rare case. If you have no symptoms PG makes the flavors taste better so try it . Rickajho I had no idea about anesthesia. Thank you, thank you!! This really matters to me.
You are welcome. That info came right from my Allergist at Brigham & Womens Hospital in Boston. (I really like my Allergist.) I had no idea either until he handed me that case study printout. Allergic reaction to PG in anesthesia can be quite severe, including nerve damage (You know that itchy feeling? That's just a small sample of that.) and in some cases total loss of sensation in the extremities for days to weeks. It makes sense when you consider this is a concentrated, full blown inhalation of this stuff for an extended period of time. Much greater concentration of exposure than from the vaping style we use with e-cigs.
Lori~~~~~
So glad you found out exactly what it was, unfortunately you had to find out the hard way. I have said the only symptom I have gotten were the headaches, but they were migrains and it made me put my ecig down for 2 days before I tried "other" VG juice. I am realizing "some" of the pg base flavorings bother me too, so I am sooo worried about "trying" new juices. I like to stick to my DIYing A LOT, because I "KNOW" exactly what is in it.
Rick sounds like you have had some of these same problems, I just can't figure out why "some venders" just won't change their recipes for the ones that "CANT" vape PG?
Thanks for your input and the info you added. I am trying "other" companies SLOWLY...so I will let everyone know what companies send ALL VG!! And how good the juice is...
I got a bottle of No Bake cake from VapeDudes and I have had NO effects so far. Thank God cause I worry about getting one of those headaches again... it was BAD!!!
The juice isn't bad either... it has a hint of all spice or cinn I don't know which but I like buttery cakes....know of any???
Thanks all for reading and any input you may have. I try to keep up with these threads
So glad you found out exactly what it was, unfortunately you had to find out the hard way. I have said the only symptom I have gotten were the headaches, but they were migrains and it made me put my ecig down for 2 days before I tried "other" VG juice. I am realizing "some" of the pg base flavorings bother me too, so I am sooo worried about "trying" new juices. I like to stick to my DIYing A LOT, because I "KNOW" exactly what is in it.
Rick sounds like you have had some of these same problems, I just can't figure out why "some venders" just won't change their recipes for the ones that "CANT" vape PG?
Thanks for your input and the info you added. I am trying "other" companies SLOWLY...so I will let everyone know what companies send ALL VG!! And how good the juice is...
I got a bottle of No Bake cake from VapeDudes and I have had NO effects so far. Thank God cause I worry about getting one of those headaches again... it was BAD!!!
The juice isn't bad either... it has a hint of all spice or cinn I don't know which but I like buttery cakes....know of any???
Thanks all for reading and any input you may have. I try to keep up with these threads
I wrote a blog on this and included the USA companies that offer 100% vg. If it says VG base worry. There are many people that are fine on a VG base but so far I am not one of them and I rather not gamble. Here is the blod with the links...
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/blogs/fl-lori/3100-could-you-alergic-pg-not-realize-i.html
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/blogs/fl-lori/3100-could-you-alergic-pg-not-realize-i.html
Thank you Rick. I'm glad you liked it. I had found some threads about it but I didn't find them helpful. Hopefully this is both helpful, supportive and validating. Even if I get called Peezie. 
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