Hi guys, I haven't found any discussions regarding this particular topic so I thought I'd ask. I've read before about the possibility of VG decomposing into acrolein, and that perhaps it's a bad idea to vape VG at 6v. But what about a low resistance 901 atty? Do they get hot enough to cause this decomposition? I ask because I just ordered a bunch of e-liquid from Ms. T's Bakery and I just noticed they're a PG/VG mix. Any insight into the matter would be greatly appreciated.
VG e-liquid with low resistance atomizer, bad idea?
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I vape VG mixed juices at 3.7, 5 and 6V all the time without a problem. Our atomizers don't get hot enough to turn VG into acrolein, so I wouldn't worry about that.
i vape 50/50 blends on 5v and have no issues, i have had 20 vg 80 pg and 60vg 40pg on 3.7v lr attys with no issues except for lack of personal satisfaction
Just curious. How do you know? Can you taste acrolein?
It is my understanding that the juice would burn before any serious amount of acrolein is produced.....I assume much less than tobacco, if any.
It is my understanding that the juice would burn before any serious amount of acrolein is produced.....I assume much less than tobacco, if any.
Thanks for all your input! Attypops, from what I've read, you can in fact taste acrolein and apparently it's disgusting. However my concern would be with the inhalation of small, undetectable amounts of acrolein resulting in long term damage, but I don't know if it really works like that.
Been a while since my "cooking classes" but VG is used quite a bit and it will decompose but not until it goes over 500F. Well above our temperatures. It does smell and taste nasty - like burning, rancid fat if I remember - and burns the throat.
How do you know that 500 degrees is hotter than atty's at 5 or 6 volts? It's easy to just say that, but to be satisfied,I would like to actually knowfor sure. I mean there is a lot to consider, low reistance at 6 volts, and they seem to get really hot. Ever see avideo of someone dry burning a stock CE2 cartomizer? It is glowing hot.
My attys glow red hot after about 5 seconds on with an eGo battery. I am guessing that's about 1000 degrees F. Just a slightly educated guess. (Many years in the metals manufacturing areas, welding, smelting, forging, etc.) 500 degrees does not seem an unreasonable temperature to encounter.
At 1000 degrees, the coil and metal's would start to melt....so no, they don't hit a 1000.
There is a old thread from about 2 years ago if you want to hunt for it with pic's.
Someone actually tested the temperatures, atty's simply can not get hot enough to turn VG into Acrolein.
At 1000 degrees, the coil and metal's would start to melt....so no, they don't hit a 1000.
There is a old thread from about 2 years ago if you want to hunt for it with pic's.
Someone actually tested the temperatures, atty's simply can not get hot enough to turn VG into Acrolein.
I don't think nickel chrome wire will melt at 1000F. More Like 2552F. Verifiable with a simple search.
At 1000 degrees, the coil and metal's would start to melt....so no, they don't hit a 1000.
There is a old thread from about 2 years ago if you want to hunt for it with pic's.
Someone actually tested the temperatures, atty's simply can not get hot enough to turn VG into Acrolein.
Actually it takes closer to three times that temperature to melt the actual steel.
I also have read a lot of threads and information, both here and other places, about this topic, and I have never seen a definitive answer to prove that attys do not get hot enough, or even hotter than it takes to change VG into acrolein. I think this topic should be re-visited.
Wench,
If you can find the thread you refer to from 2 years ago, I would be interested in reading it.
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No answesr to my previous posting...
I think some people find it easier to just ignore certain things than seek out a definitive answer. I think the old saying: "Ignorance is Bliss", is so true.
I think some people find it easier to just ignore certain things than seek out a definitive answer. I think the old saying: "Ignorance is Bliss", is so true.
.... well my expierementing and the last statement bout a dry atty at over 600 i know i taken an lr carto apart and put 5v to it dry getting is redhot and then dripping on some juice 50/50 vg/pg the coil immediatly stopped glowing red hot
yes vaped it away and got red again
but the liquid itself being in place stopped that from happening
so running dry i guess could potentialy cause a problem but i highly doubt a properly wicked atty would reach those temps
i wish i remember where i read it theirs tons of info on this
idk google is ur friend
yes vaped it away and got red again
but the liquid itself being in place stopped that from happening
so running dry i guess could potentialy cause a problem but i highly doubt a properly wicked atty would reach those temps
i wish i remember where i read it theirs tons of info on this
idk google is ur friend
Isn't Acrolein is a severe pulmonary irritant? I think as many people that vape VG, there would be some people wondering why it was killing their throat and lungs. I seriously doubt a properly wicked atty is actually hitting 536 degrees in a normal "vaping" burn. Normal being burns no longer than 8 seconds. I used an infrared thermometer at work to see how hot the atty hit. I actually did not think this would be useful was mostly just playing around with the thermometer. When the atty had juice on it the thermometer read 180F, when it wasn't wet it topped the thermometer out at 250F at 6 seconds. I burnt them both for 8 seconds. Your atty isn't going to hit 536F in less than 10 secs. It's not like your atty becomes superheated to 500F+ the second or even in the first 8 seconds of hitting the button. Even if your atty hit the proper temps to convert the VG, the actual VG would take even longer to hit that temp and as little as you have on the atty at any given point, it would vaporize away before achieving this conversion. There is just to many holes in this for it to happen in an everyday situation. Theoretically it may be possible if you had an atty that could take a very long burn, just filled it with an insane amount of VG, and most likely would need to be done on 6V+ device. If your goal is to create Acrolein, I think you would have a better shot using something other than an e-cig device.
So no you cannot use your e-cig as a device to produce a chemical warfare agent and profit from it.
So no you cannot use your e-cig as a device to produce a chemical warfare agent and profit from it.
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