I am somewhat curious why vape shops don't carry supplies to make your own e juice. I understand they make good money on their juices but for the people that do make their own, the shops are losing that sale all-together. Brew shops carry supplies to make beer and they also make good money; why then, can't vape shops do the same with juice?
VG/PG and flavoring in vape shops
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They will never come close to the prices online for these products. If they do then everyone will start to see what it really costs to make juice, even if they dont make it themselves and you cant risk losing sales on something marked up 900% if not more.
Not only that then you have a whole nother can of worms to deal with. I got sick, this flavor is too light, how do i mix the nicotine, i spilled ghe bottle and my cat died, whats the best way to.......
Not only that then you have a whole nother can of worms to deal with. I got sick, this flavor is too light, how do i mix the nicotine, i spilled ghe bottle and my cat died, whats the best way to.......
Exactly. There is no way they could continue selling ejuice for .50 or 1.00 per ml when folks see that they could make their own for a nickel or dime per ml, or even less. The only way it would be viable in the slightest would be if they added a decimal place to the price of the supplies -- for a 16oz bottle of PG, instead of $3.95, make it $39.50 or something equally ridiculous.
Andria
None of the juices I make myself cost more than 80c for 10ml, most cost less - and I like high flavour juices, close to 30%. A 10% flavour juice costs peanuts. Mark ups on premixed liquids must be close to 1000% in some cases.
Just for an example i did some rough numbers using my last bulk purchases.
Its not exact but roughly 100 -120 bucks give or take a few and i can make 2 gal of my caramel at 8-9mg 100% either way or 50/50 blend ( just going by what i paid for what i have on hand)
A 30 ml is 1 oz say you buy it for 15 bucks a bottle thats $1920.00 per gallon
Whos gonna knowingly give that up
Its not exact but roughly 100 -120 bucks give or take a few and i can make 2 gal of my caramel at 8-9mg 100% either way or 50/50 blend ( just going by what i paid for what i have on hand)
A 30 ml is 1 oz say you buy it for 15 bucks a bottle thats $1920.00 per gallon
Whos gonna knowingly give that up
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It's like... I could go out to Longhorn and pay something like $20-$30 for a steak dinner. Or I could buy a steak and trimmings at the grocery, for probably about $5-$10, and most of that cost is the meat itself; the other stuff would be very little of the total. Except in the case of ejuice, instead of $5-$10 vs. $20-$30, it would be $2-$3 vs. $20-$30 -- retail ejuice costs an order of magnitude -- or more! -- more than DIY.
Andria
Andria
I would never go to Longhorn for a steak. I can do so much better at home.
I would never go to Italian restaurant - my wife can do so much better at home.
It's rather sad story, I do not like restaurants any more... I would only go for some thoroughly aged steak or incredibly cheap authentic Chinese. DIY have a dark side, so to speak.
I really don't either, anymore; you just never know what part of the meal is going to contain sulfites -- the lettuce in the salad? The shrimp? The lobster? And most steaks in restaurants resemble roadkill more than steak -- gristly, fatty, just terrible quality. I'd far rather buy my own quality food and prepare it myself. And make my own ejuice too, because it tastes better than anything I've ever bought, AND it's the right PG/VG and nic for this body.
Andria
I stumbled into my B&M a few months ago, and first thing they did was pulled out their order pad. I just shook my head and smiled - told my favorite mixologist that I was DIYing. You'd have thought I ripped out his heart. When I was buying juices, I would at least try to hit sales.
They have overhead, so like Andria comments, they'd have to seriously mark-up their supplies to cover their costs. It would be convenient, yes, but I can get VG at Walmart, PG at Tractor Supply, and flavorings from Michaels, if I really want. Yes, I'd pay a bit more than what I'd pay for supplies online, but there is the "luxury" of it being local....
They have overhead, so like Andria comments, they'd have to seriously mark-up their supplies to cover their costs. It would be convenient, yes, but I can get VG at Walmart, PG at Tractor Supply, and flavorings from Michaels, if I really want. Yes, I'd pay a bit more than what I'd pay for supplies online, but there is the "luxury" of it being local....
I just put in a few re-supplying orders... qt of PG, pint of VG, 120ml nicotine, 12pk of 30ml bottles... $46, including the shipping. I'm pretty well set at the moment on flavors, since I basically just have my two main ones, and an experiment here and there with new flavors. Finding that $25/100ml of the shisha strawberry was a godsend!!!
Anyway I think this latest order of nicotine puts me at the 4 yr level, for my stash, maybe 4.5. I guess I need to get one of those wholesale accts at TPA/TFA, so I can order big bottles of the Vanilla Swirl and DX Bavarian and sweetener, those are the main TFAs I seem to use in everything.
Andria
I'm lucky in the respect that my go to B&M store sells me vg/pg any ratio I want. They will match the price of my online supplier if I bring my own sterilized container. But no flavors though...
My diy juice = $.0552/ml or $.83/15ml bottle
Premium retail/online juice = @12.99/15ml bottle ...$.86/ml
It took a little bit of research and time (2 weeks) to get my costs and recipes down but, you can easily see the savings. And not to brag but the juice I make is as good or better than any I have ever purchased from anyone. And at my cost, I can vape like a fiend if I wanted to. I don't, but I could. Well, sometimes.
Premium retail/online juice = @12.99/15ml bottle ...$.86/ml
It took a little bit of research and time (2 weeks) to get my costs and recipes down but, you can easily see the savings. And not to brag but the juice I make is as good or better than any I have ever purchased from anyone. And at my cost, I can vape like a fiend if I wanted to. I don't, but I could. Well, sometimes.
I think stores would carry it if their customer base demanded it, but most into DIY don't go into b&m's and request it. There's a lot of suppliers too, so carrying just one brand isn't very practical and distribution centers don't stock DIY. That may be ready to change as more DIY venders stock variety vs one or two brands. One of those will come out with a competent b2b wholesale plan. Vaping is still a growing industry.
I know if I had a store, I'd seriously consider selling flavoring bases of the best sellers. Competition? Meh. Some people will be drawn to DIY and others don't want to bother. Just like some will never do their own coils no matter what. Just different strokes.
I know if I had a store, I'd seriously consider selling flavoring bases of the best sellers. Competition? Meh. Some people will be drawn to DIY and others don't want to bother. Just like some will never do their own coils no matter what. Just different strokes.
Buying Nic by the liter and PG/VG by the gallon plus 120 ml bottles of flavors from TFA at wholesale prices I decided to sit down and do the math...
2.5 cents per ML
...and that's with 30% flavorings @5 mg Nic.
2.5 cents per ML
...and that's with 30% flavorings @5 mg Nic.
But not everyone likes TFA. A business couldn't stock just one brand of flavor anymore. Many vapors tastes have evolved beyond single flavor mixes. That's a reason why some have no interest in DIY as well.
I think some of the DIY costs are misleading because they don't take into account the equipment needed to start up, flavoring mistakes and unvapeables that most beginners have until they finally find their first ADV. Even following reciepes involves 3 to 5 flavors and there's no guarentee they'll like it even when done perfectly. Not to mention time at the kitchen table and storing the stuff. DIY is not cut out for everyone. Look at the number of threads attempting to figure out the calculators. Mixing is a skill and flavors can be a talent, esp. if they are expecting something similar to a premium commercial eliquid.
I think some of the DIY costs are misleading because they don't take into account the equipment needed to start up, flavoring mistakes and unvapeables that most beginners have until they finally find their first ADV. Even following reciepes involves 3 to 5 flavors and there's no guarentee they'll like it even when done perfectly. Not to mention time at the kitchen table and storing the stuff. DIY is not cut out for everyone. Look at the number of threads attempting to figure out the calculators. Mixing is a skill and flavors can be a talent, esp. if they are expecting something similar to a premium commercial eliquid.
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If you can afford to keep buying your fav juice at 2000 bucks a gallon you can afford a handfull of syringes and a couple graduated cylinders for 20 bucks on amazon plus a few mistakes. All for less then the cost of 4 bottles of juice.
The cost mistakes are made doing things like buying a qt of pg for 16 bucks when its less then 25 a gallon.
And sure, some people are not technically inclined, but I dont see anyone telling them not to try wrapping a coil becuase they cant figure out steam engine yet.
Half the fun is figuring out those all day vapes, unvapables are an accepted and ecpected part of the learning curve. And your still not going to throw away anywhere near what you spent on buying juice online in 6 months
My local vape shop carries all the DIY liquids. Hell they'll even sell 55 gallon drums if you want it. Choiceecig.com
My go-to B&M sells DIY stuff. They'll even tell you how to mix it. They sell their own brands of juice, though.
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the local vape shop that I hang out often has a juice bar, where they mix up the juice for you. custom flavors ete. 15ml for $10 bucks, but they ream you on atty, mods and wire.
I figured out what flavor extracts they use, and will be hitting the same vender they do heheheh
I figured out what flavor extracts they use, and will be hitting the same vender they do heheheh
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