VG takes away all my flavor!

[McVapor]

Alright so Im mixing and I got some VG. Whenever I use VG I need a lot of drops of extract to get what I want.

7 drops pineapple
7 drops apple
7 drops VG (which would be nic'ed VG once I find the flavor I want)

but with that recipe I dont get as strong of a flavor as I want and would require 10ml total extract to make not much. Its just not reasonably prices here to use VG to get the flavor I want. I mix tog et good cheap flavors after all, PG mixing IS cheap . Heres the normal recipe:

4 drops pineapple
4 drops apple
13 drops PG (PG based nic also)

What do you guys do with VG? Or a good use to use VG with Nic for flavor? Like a good VG recipe

 

[dspin]

VG is not taking away your flavor. Your using way too much flavor. When you do that you will get less flavor. Try making 1ml at a time. For 20% you need 16 drops VG and 4 drops flavor. For 10 % 18 drops VG and 2 drops flavor. Let them sit for a day before dripping.

 

[Switched]

What dspin said. I didn't take time to do the math, unnecessary really but you are adding way too much flavour. I vape at 15-20% and have always vaped PG to 80/20 PG/VG. Recently (dec) I had to go to all VG (PG sensitivities) and have not found my flavours muted to the extent folks talk about. Some recipes I had to add an extra 1%, but that is only 2 of 20 or so recipes. I believe the vape is much smoother with all VG mixes, something I like . Less TH.

OTOH, I dillute all my VG by 4/1 (20%) with distilled water, vapes well in all applications and the flavours are not as muted as compared to using straight VG.

 

[Kurt]

Another point, McVapor, if you are using extracts, like a McCormick extract bought at the grocery store, these are mostly alcohol, and they tend to be very low flavor when used to make a juice. You want pure flavors, like loranns. These in the ratios you are using would be too strong. 10-20% flavor in a juice is about the norm.

 

[McVapor]

sorry "pure flavor" then. And really? using less and letting it cure for a day?

 

[Switched]

sorry "pure flavor" then. And really? using less and letting it cure for a day?

I let all mine steep for a month. I'm a patient type fellow.

 

[McVapor]

That cant possibly allow more flavor to accure

 

[Switched]

That cant possibly allow more flavor to accure

Your probably right, just run it under hot water like everyone else does and vape away.

 

[McVapor]

Hot water? I never heard of that. Is it a joke?

 

[5vz]

McVapor;

A lot of people do the hot water thing, (put freshly made bottle of juice in hot water to mix more quickly) however, I have read it could greatly reduce the nicotine content. IDK, I just read this stuff on here somewhere. I have never tried the hot water thing, as I have no need. Flavor mixes in just fine with a good shake and at room temp. Hot water will not make the flavor taste any better, imo.

Also, for me, Lorann's Flavoring tastes like next to nothing. I like PA so far, haven't tried all the available brands yet though. Flavor West has decent tobacco flavors too, again this is for me. YMMV.

 

[Switched]

That cant possibly allow more flavor to accure

Hot water? I never heard of that. Is it a joke?

I was merely being sarcastic. Flavours do meld over time, that is why we see inconsistencies from North American vendors from one batch to the next. The recipe hasn't changed, the time it sat does/did. If we take China liquids for example by the time we get them they have sat around for a month or more and in my experience were pretty consistent from batch to batch. Prior to developing PG sensitivity, I enjoyed the Honey Flue from BWB I had received a sample and enjoyed it tremendously t one of the meets. Low and behold it my large order never tasted as the sample. I was dis-appointed. I let them steep for a while and my bottles improved in a month and were bang on after 6 weeks.

The sarcasm is the result that many folks do not believe in letting their liquids steep. I am cool with that. OTOH maybe there is some truth in what I am saying, considering that the majority of the liquids I vape are all DIY, and they come out the same from batch to batch. Not all liquids take as long as others but the majority peek at 30 days or so. My drum tobacco mix is not bad after 2 weeks (as recommended by the one who gave me the recipe) but better after a month, and better as a VG mix over a PG mix. But then again YMMV.

 

[Theanine]

I did the same thing as McVapor. I used it till 2/3 full of 15ml bottle. I just diluted more with VG till full 15ml again. Just for the test, it really doesn't taste nothing now. I will wait till tomorrow to see if it got taste back.

 

[Theanine]

There were 3 bottles all different taste. One diluted with VG and a couple drips of water. Two others were just diluted with VG. I don't think I got more taste on any of them but it got weaker taste. That is not that much of a problem. The problem is VG diluted ones burns way too warm and just so steamy. Do you think if I put water to it, it will get better?

 

[Switched]

There were 3 bottles all different taste. One diluted with VG and a couple drips of water. Two others were just diluted with VG. I don't think I got more taste on any of them but it got weaker taste. That is not that much of a problem. The problem is VG diluted ones burns way too warm and just so steamy. Do you think if I put water to it, it will get better?

I am not following your question here, sorry. All I know is that the way I mix my liquids, I have no problems using any set up (including carts and cartos) and my atties last 4 months plus without cleaning, but YMMV. I vape 4-6ml day.

 

[Theanine]

OTOH, I dillute all my VG by 4/1 (20%) with distilled water, vapes well in all applications and the flavours are not as muted as compared to using straight VG.

I diluted with straight VG on 2 bottles which had too much fravoring I think. One more bottle I had, I used VG and distilled water. This one seems not to burn warmer but other 2 with much more VG does burn more like hot air balloon will go up with this. lol

I am not following your question here, sorry. All I know is that the way I mix my liquids, I have no problems using any set up (including carts and cartos) and my atties last 4 months plus without cleaning, but YMMV. I vape 4-6ml day.

I did let it sit over night and it got little better on state though.

 

[Switched]

What ratios are you using? My ratios are nothing new to folks that have been at this for a while. Some go only at 15 with distilled H2O, the majority 20%

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/ikenvape/142394-equipment-longevity-vg-liquids.html post #4

 

[McVapor]

I seem to get better results with 70PG/30VG. As for the curing thing, I could see that being the case, I mean good rum has to sit in the barrel for several months to get the proper taste. Although I dont have months or days and will begin vaping immediately. For a conclusion for me, I have decided I am not a pure VG person. I just with it wasn't so damn cheap compared to PG haha.

 

[Switched]

I seem to get better results with 70PG/30VG. As for the curing thing, I could see that being the case, I mean good rum has to sit in the barrel for several months to get the proper taste. Although I dont have months or days and will begin vaping immediately. For a conclusion for me, I have decided I am not a pure VG person. I just with it wasn't so damn cheap compared to PG haha.

I hear ya with regards to VG, some of us didn't/don't have a choice unfortunately