I have a recipe (one of bills) that is excellent. It uses 15% watermelon and i use it in a 60vg/40pg mix. I tried to make this in a higher vg (around 70%) and there is no flavor at all. You can smell the watermelon but cant taste it at all. So my question is , how much do you generally have to raise flavor percentage in a higher VG mix?
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Yes can you link the recipe?
Sorry if this looks overwhelming but I think it's much needed information. I'm not sure if you steeped the juice or what. I honestly can't tell you to add 1.5% extra flavor and everything will be just peachy or "watermelony" in your case.
I wouldn't add more flavor to the mix as a quick fix, flavors can become muted or taste awful if you add to much! Sometimes you will need extra flavor for higher VG juices as it will kill the flavor a bit. Heres a nice little guide on flavoring ratios it's short simple and straight to the point. I guess you could try an extra 1% flavor, speed steep, taste, keep doing this until you get what you want out of it.Again I'm not sure if you steeped the juice, how much experience you have or what, so check this out. Rip trippers, steeping streething and breathing explained
VG seems to take a while to steep, it's thick and it takes longer for the flavor to "mix up". Put the juice in a box, closet, drawer ETC, It needs to sit In the dark, at room temperature. The time period can differ depending on the juice, generally a period of 1 week to 1 month! I've heard of some juice taking months! This seems to be what the majority use if they have some e-juice ready to vape on. This method may also help you in the future because you won't have to guess how long something needs speed steeped or what exact process you used. I would recommend writing down the steps YOU took if you decide to quick steep / speed steep your e-juice. Did you shake it every 2 hours did the heat fluctuate, what flavor took 1 hour which took more, see what I mean? I would also recommend you write down the date you made the juice and make a log of how it tastes every week or so using the slower method.
In the rip trippers video I posted above he says fruit flavors are generally ready to go after mixing. I used a 50/50 mix of strawberry @ 18 mg of nic and it didn't taste the best right off bat! After 10 days, It's tasting very good. I also left a few ml in the bottle so I can test it every 7-10 days.
There are a number of ways to quick steep / speed steep, I'll list a couple*.
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1. running it under hot water for a while or putting it in a cup with warm / hot water. ( not to hot I believe anything over 135/140F is bad!)
2. crock pot - ultra sonic cleaner (Again not to hot!)
Other resources
Master Techniques
General Steeping info dannyv45 blog
There is so much information on this forum about steeping, I've heard just about everything. It's a learning process and once you get it right it's very rewarding. I'm sure someone else will chime in on the subject as I'm rather new to mixing myself. I found using peoples already created recipes to be a great start then you can start tinkering with different ratios and flavors! Best of luck on your endeavors!
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Thanks! Even with my horrible english and sometimes contradictory methods I do try!
Yes can you link the recipe?
Sorry if this looks overwhelming but I think it's much needed information. I'm not sure if you steeped the juice or what. I honestly can't tell you to add 1.5% extra flavor and everything will be just peachy or "watermelony" in your case.
Again I'm not sure if you steeped the juice, how much experience you have or what, so check this out. Rip trippers, steeping streething and breathing explained
VG seems to take a while to steep, it's thick and it takes longer for the flavor to "mix up". Put the juice in a box, closet, drawer ETC, It needs to sit In the dark, at room temperature. The time period can differ depending on the juice, generally a period of 1 week to 1 month! I've heard of some juice taking months! This seems to be what the majority use if they have some e-juice ready to vape on. This method may also help you in the future because you won't have to guess how long something needs speed steeped or what exact process you used. I would recommend writing down the steps YOU took if you decide to quick steep / speed steep your e-juice. Did you shake it every 2 hours did the heat fluctuate, what flavor took 1 hour which took more, see what I mean? I would also recommend you write down the date you made the juice and make a log of how it tastes every week or so using the slower method.
In the rip trippers video I posted above he says fruit flavors are generally ready to go after mixing. I used a 50/50 mix of strawberry @ 18 mg of nic and it didn't taste the best right off bat! After 10 days, It's tasting very good. I also left a few ml in the bottle so I can test it every 7-10 days.
There are a number of ways to quick steep / speed steep, I'll list a couple*.
-
1. running it under hot water for a while or putting it in a cup with warm / hot water. ( not to hot I believe anything over 135/140F is bad!)
2. crock pot - ultra sonic cleaner (Again not to hot!)
Other resources
Master Techniques
General Steeping info dannyv45 blog
There is so much information on this forum about steeping, I've heard just about everything. It's a learning process and once you get it right it's very rewarding. I'm sure someone else will chime in on the subject as I'm rather new to mixing myself. I found using peoples already created recipes to be a great start then you can start tinkering with different ratios and flavors! Best of luck on your endeavors!
You've said it all. Nice post.
Thanks core. Ive tried the quick steeping method and the long. Not a month yet but there should be flavor after 2 weeks. I spend every evening from the time i get home and eat dinner until i go to bed reading and playing with mixing different stuff. This just has me baffled. The mix is all TFA flavors.
Watermelon 15%
Bubblegum. 8%
Sweetener 3%
60vg/40pg
3-6mg nic (ive never tried anything higher with this mix)
In a kanger sub tank or Atlantis this is hands down the best juice ive ever had but i like sweet vapes
This is pretty good right away after a good shake but i usually cook it at 140 degrees for an hour shaking once at 30 minutes. Let it cool for about 20 minutes and shake again. Put it in my box and the next day shake and vape. Its freakin awesome in my opinion.
Watermelon 15%
Bubblegum. 8%
Sweetener 3%
60vg/40pg
3-6mg nic (ive never tried anything higher with this mix)
In a kanger sub tank or Atlantis this is hands down the best juice ive ever had but i like sweet vapes
This is pretty good right away after a good shake but i usually cook it at 140 degrees for an hour shaking once at 30 minutes. Let it cool for about 20 minutes and shake again. Put it in my box and the next day shake and vape. Its freakin awesome in my opinion.
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+1 for Rip's method. A lot of the time I just sit here pumping air into the mix with the dropper to make fart noises. Endless entertainment.
If you're going to try the water bath, a nice solution is to use a coffee thermis. I use one I got from a petrol station designed for drivers, put the bottle inside, fill up to the dropper lid with hot tap water, put the lid on and leave it for a few hours. Rinse and repeat as needed.
If you're going to try the water bath, a nice solution is to use a coffee thermis. I use one I got from a petrol station designed for drivers, put the bottle inside, fill up to the dropper lid with hot tap water, put the lid on and leave it for a few hours. Rinse and repeat as needed.
Thanks Island, going to try this. I just placed an order for a ton of stuff, going to start DIY and try to save some $$$. My two priorities are peach, and watermelon. I was thinking the same thing! Some combination of watermelon and bubble gum, so I will give it a shot. Might add some cantaloup or honeydew melon or melon after trying your recipe...lol yea I got a ton of flavors hahaha.
I did some more digging as I'm curious about the higher VG ratio and how it affects flavoring.
From: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-dark-horse-100-vg-no-flavor.html#post7786044
I've looked at everything from hardware to PH levels changing VG's flavor - taste. The *easiest* thing I could come up with to remedy the no flavor issue is a longer steep time and or 1 or 2% extra flavor. Best of luck if you come up with something that works please let me know!
From: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-dark-horse-100-vg-no-flavor.html#post7786044
Racehorse said:
I've looked at everything from hardware to PH levels changing VG's flavor - taste. The *easiest* thing I could come up with to remedy the no flavor issue is a longer steep time and or 1 or 2% extra flavor.
Best of luck if you come up with something that works please let me know!
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Hmm...I wonder if you're just over flavoring. I mix my DIY recipes in a 70vg/30pg blend. For my watermelon bubblegum blend, I use 7% watermelon and I can definitely taste it.
This could be the case however I believe he's already made a batch or two at 60/40 with 13%. Islandguy if you haven't made a previous batch I would try Jah's suggestion as he's correct - to much flavor will "mute the flavor (.8)". Jah adding more than one flavor like watermelon - bubble gum ETC can also enhance the base flavor. Jah I'm not sure what recipe you use, the duration or method of steeping, but if you'd like to share it with us that would be awesome. It may help shed some light on this problem.
Thanks guys!
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Idk guys, I think I gonna have to start a watermelon thread, and a peach thread *wink* *wink* ...once I get my stuff lol
I've made quite a few batches for me and a few buddies mixed at 60% vg. Its an awesome mix with really really good flavor at 15%. I tried it at 12% and 10% in the higher VG thinking maybe that was the problem but it didnt gain any flavor. I might give it a try at 7% but im really doubtful that it works.
Did you try adding distilled water or saline to it. High VG mixes require a certain amount of thinning if your experiencing poor vapor production, flavor concentration issues or if wicking becomes an issue. 70% VG does require 5 - 10% dilution with Distilled water or saline. Some say saline makes the juice pop and become smoother, thicker with more body and gives a wetter taste. If you don't have a .9% saline solution on hand Distilled water is fine. So take a small sample (5 - 10ml) of your original mix (15%) and try it, see if it helps.
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I just experienced a situation with going to a higher VG recipe when all other ingredients remain the same:
When I started DIY, I mixed at 70%PG/30%VG with no water added. I have been having issues with PG tolerance {dryness/dehydration} so I started reducing PG.
The next base batch {that lasted for months} was made 45PG/45VG/10H20 and this made no difference with steeping time or flavor perception. All good!
Now I made a 120ml base from my VG nic, mixed at 19%PG/69%VG/12%H20 to see if the high VG helps my issues. Here are my findings:
I made 4 of my go-to recipes with the mentioned high VG base with all other percentages unchanged. {all are tobacco recipes}
It definitely takes a lot more time to steep to where the flavor pops! It is so strange. I did the usual overnight steep of 140 degree water in a Stanley thermos. In the morning, the mixes smelled the same, but the flavor was muted and the color was lighter. Rather than adding more flavor, I simply gave these mixes more steeping time. I actually kept them in the hot environment for two days. Well that did the trick! The flavor intensity is like it was before! But I get a smoother vape with noticeably denser vapor, of course. I sure hope that the high VG helps with my dehydration issue.
I just wanted to share my experience here in this thread. Hope this helps.
When I started DIY, I mixed at 70%PG/30%VG with no water added. I have been having issues with PG tolerance {dryness/dehydration} so I started reducing PG.
The next base batch {that lasted for months} was made 45PG/45VG/10H20 and this made no difference with steeping time or flavor perception. All good!
Now I made a 120ml base from my VG nic, mixed at 19%PG/69%VG/12%H20 to see if the high VG helps my issues. Here are my findings:
I made 4 of my go-to recipes with the mentioned high VG base with all other percentages unchanged. {all are tobacco recipes}
It definitely takes a lot more time to steep to where the flavor pops! It is so strange. I did the usual overnight steep of 140 degree water in a Stanley thermos. In the morning, the mixes smelled the same, but the flavor was muted and the color was lighter. Rather than adding more flavor, I simply gave these mixes more steeping time. I actually kept them in the hot environment for two days. Well that did the trick! The flavor intensity is like it was before! But I get a smoother vape with noticeably denser vapor, of course. I sure hope that the high VG helps with my dehydration issue.
I just wanted to share my experience here in this thread. Hope this helps.
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