Vgod&Sony vtc6

[Edward Denison]

My question as I'm new to all things vaping is. At .2 ohms or above(on the vgod box) will the vtc6 be a safe bet or last? Maybe 2 or 3 battery changes a day if used all day? Or should I look for a battery that will put out more amps,volts? Never had a zippo explode, did think once about using race fuel once at the drag strip. The rest of the pit crew invited me to try it well away from them and the car!

 

[bombastinator]

the only vgod box I see in google is the vgod pro VV 150. Is that the mod?

 

[Edward Denison]

No the box the pro stick came in says no lower than .2ohms.

 

[Gratch]

Hi, i want to see that zippo in action

 

[Topwater Elvis]

The vtc 6 is a good 15a CDR cell.

.2 will draw 20ish amps at full charge, never a good idea to exceed the CDR of any cell.

 

[bombastinator]

No the box the pro stick came in says no lower than .2ohms.
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Aha. That would be a one battery tube mech. @Topwater Elvis is correct. You want a higher draw battery to run at .2ohm. The easiest thing to do atm is run it higher than .2 of course.

 

[TVC70]

Yeah, don't run .2 on a VTC6. A .3 or .35 coil would be a minimum on that cell. A .3 would give around 14A (which is too close to the 15A limit for my comfort, but others are fine with it), while a .35 would give around 12A. If you want to go down to .2, I'd get a few VTC5A's (my current fave 18650).

 

[Edward Denison]

Ok, thanks for confirming what I was thinking. All my batteries are vtc6, I have premade coils at. 3 .32 .34 and. 36 they give very cool to the mouth hits. So I'll get some 5A's for the warmer .2 coils.
Mooch and his test tables are alot to take in all at once, but I'm glad to see I understood what was there. This is like hand loading ammo, you realy don't want to get it wrong.
To bad there's no recipe book like there is for ammo!

 

[Edward Denison]

Another thought, right now I have 2 .3's on deck for a total of .15ohms will 20amps be enough or do I need even more amps for that? I'm using it on a procolor box at the moment with 2 15 amp batteries so a single 30-40 amp? If I can get one?

 

[mackman]

(14) Ohm's Law Explained for Vapers | E-Cigarette Forum

 

[Edward Denison]

Google is good for a few things after all. Gonna call the shop I bought the mod from and ask if they have vtc4 or 5a batteries. Or another 25- 30 amp cause I really like warm vape, but could do without the burns and metal chunks to the face and hand!

 

[Topwater Elvis]

If you're asking about the smok procolor it is a regulated power device.
Using a regulated device resistance is irrelevant when calculating battery amp demand.
2 vtc 6 in a regulated power device is good for up to about 90w, / 45 w per cell.
Probably a good idea to stick to using the procolor and set aside the mech until you understand the basics of using a mech safely.

 

[stols001]

I'd also encourage you to learn more about battery safety, ohm's law ,and how to build for and use a mech for a bit.

Also, I don't trust vape shops for my battery needs. Many of them will sell rewrapped or seconded batteries that didn't pass Qc from the manufacturer. Unless it's a vape shop you really trust (and even then) it's usually recommended to buy directly from authentic retailers. I'm going to link you to a couple battery blogs, and in Mooch's you will find a table that contains batteries he has tested and their TRUE ratings which can be somewhat less than advertised, even with reputable batteries. in the last cell, you will find a list of trusted vendors and I would stick to them if at all possible. The LAST thing you want in your mech is a battery that you think is suitable to your build, only to find out (sometimes catastrophically) that you have been pushing a battery too far because it's severely over rated.


https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/blogs/mooch.256958/

https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/blog-entry/baditudes-blogs.7609/


Best of luck,

Anna

 

[Edward Denison]

This is why I used my own meters last night to test the 8 15amp batteries I have. 2 vtc6's did not meet 15 amps, not pleased. These were shops I trusted, not now. Yes I was up till 2:30am checking batteries and looking at mooch's list.

 

[Edward Denison]

If you're asking about the smok procolor

No I'm not, and I'm fully aware of how a regulated device works. Thanks anway.

 

[Baditude]

Another thought, right now I have 2 .3's on deck for a total of .15ohms will 20amps be enough or do I need even more amps for that? I'm using it on a procolor box at the moment with 2 15 amp batteries so a single 30-40 amp? If I can get one?

Explain it to the Dumb Noob: Ohm's Law Calculations for a Mechanical Mod

That's for when you use a mech mod.

When using a regulated mod, a different formula is used. Coil resistance is irrelevant. With a regulated mod, what is relevant is the wattage ceiling of the battery and the wattage setting you vape at:

WATTAGE PER SINGLE BATTERY on REGULATED MOD:
(wattage doubles when using 2 batteries; triples when using 3 batteries)

Up to 45W:

Samsung 18650 30Q, 3000 mah 15 amp CDR
Sony 18650VTC6 3000mAh 15 amp CDR
​

Up to 60W:

LG 18650HG2 3000mah 20 amp CDR
LG 18650HE2 2500 mah 20 amp CDR
Samsung 18650-25R, 2500 mah 20 amp CDR
Sanyo UR18650NSX, 2500 mah 20 amp CDR
Sony 18650VTC5, 2600 mah 20 amp CDR
Sony 18650VTC4, 2100 mah 23 amp CDR
AW 18650 3000 mah 20 amp CDR
​

Up to 75W:

LG 18650 HD4 2100 mah 25 amp CDR
LG 18650 HD2 2000 mah 25 amp CDR
Sony 18650VTC5A, 2500 mah 25 amp CDR
​

Up to 90W:

LG18650HB6 1500mah 30 amp CDR
LG18650HB2 1500mAh 30 amp CDR
LG18650HB4 1500mAh 30 amp CDR​

 

[Edward Denison]

Ok so with the calculater on my phone I get

13.08411 amps
4.2 volts (battery)
54.953 watts
0.321 ohms (1 coil)
and as per the chart a vtc6 is 15/20 amps.
So if I'm reading all this correct, that build would be safe?

 

[Baditude]

Ok so with the calculater on my phone I get

13.08411 amps
4.2 volts (battery)
54.953 watts
0.321 ohms (1 coil)
and as per the chart a vtc6 is 15/20 amps.
So if I'm reading all this correct, that build would be safe?

Yes.

Everyone is free to set their own safety parameters, and I can only say what mine are.

I try to never exceed 50% of the CDR (continuous discharge rating) of a battery. So with 20A batteries, that would be 10A. My Ohm's Law Calculator tells me that a .4 ohm build is as low as I would want to use.

The reason that I place a 50% limit is because as a battery ages the mAh of the battery degrades, as the mAh degrades so does the batteries c rating (amp limit). So down the road, your 20A battery may only be a 10A battery, etc, etc.

I've had a battery explode in a mech before, so I'm naturally on the cautious side.

 

[Edward Denison]

Ah got it, these are new batteries I have, never used but checked on a home dpot meter.So maybe for a month of not heavy use they'll be ok. Till my order of 5a's and 4's come in. Or I may chicken out and wait for the order to come in.

Just glad I'm understanding this. Reading comprehansion for me is 45 degrees off in understanding from most folks, special reading classes for dyslexia and all as a kid.

 

[Edward Denison]

just found some .2 premade coils in my stash so I can run 2 and get .4?

P.S. I chickened out on the race fuel in a zippo idea so....