Vuse using some sort of plastic wick material

[HBcorpse]

Am I the only one who doesn't think it's some big conspiracy that Vuse and other tobacco cigalikes kind of suck?

The cigarette business:

1) Pack millions of paper tubes full of tobacco
2) Comply with regulations and pay huge sums of taxes

Nothing space-age about this, folks. Maybe they're just not good at designing and manufacturing consumer electronics in a sector that's evolving extremely rapidly? Granted, a plastic wick is something you'd think they'd avoid, but...

Polyfill is a plastic...

They aren't going to sell mechs, RTAs and APVs at gas stations. Their niche is disposable and closed system cigalikes. To think a successful company would spend $millions on a product they know is bad and meant to fail would be absurd....

Both good points...
However, would you mind if I share my point of view?
I see it like this:
Big Tobacco has enough money to buy any company willing enough. Therefore, they could produce a quality vape experience, even if just by buying/owning a company that already did.
They know exactly what they're doing, because let's face it...money talks.
That being said, I truly think they would not invest money in an industry that was truly "bad for us"...I'm willing to bet that Big Tobacco has always known exactly what smoking would do to people, because they've got the money and reach to do the testing...then they keep that info in their back pocket...
Well, I feel the same thing is gonna happen with vaping... They are going to do all the testing secretly, or have already done it. And that's why they decided to step into the industry. Because they know what's up. So they take that knowledge, and use it to create an inferior product, as a means of control...they are trying to control smokers by getting them hooked (physically and financially) on a new habit...and/or they are trying to scare people back to cigarettes.
Meanwhile, they allow their products (which are still dangerous) to be tested in the public eye, which causes the public general to demonize the products we use...

 

[stevegmu]

They way I see it, they just want to expand their market share and gain back what they are losing to e-nic. What companies who make cigalikes would they buy? V2? They are huge and wouldn't sell. Halo for their G6? Again, too big to sell. BLU? Already has been bought. Maybe whoever makes the eRoll...

Inferior product is subjective. I consider the vast majority of mods and toppers people on here use to be inferior products...

They don't want to turn people away from e-nic, but to have smokers use theirs along with their cigarettes...

 

[beckdg]

They way I see it, they just want to expand their market share and gain back what they are losing to e-nic.

Possible. Though doesn't make sense. Unless they start inundating their juice with the same garbage that kept everyone addicted to cigs, sales will ultimately suffer leaving the industry a former she'll of itself unless they continuously change the face of the industry.

What companies who make cigalikes would they buy? V2? They are huge and wouldn't sell. Halo for their G6? Again, too big to sell. BLU? Already has been bought. Maybe whoever makes the eRoll...

This is purpose built rhetoric. Cigalikes... innovative... you can't possibly believe that enough to limit that question to them only being able to buy cigalike producers. You're far too intelligent for that.

Inferior product is subjective. I consider the vast majority of mods and toppers people on here use to be inferior products...

Me too.
Though pretty sure most would agree that there's plenty of reason we know the difference between gen 1 products and products that may or may not be debatable.

They don't want to turn people away from e-nic, but to have smokers use theirs along with their cigarettes...

Prove you know their motives and I'll believe you.

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[stevegmu]

Given so many posts on here, many vapers are just as addicted to e-nic as they were to cigarettes...

I never said they were innovative, just easy to sell at gas stations at price points which someone curious is willing to spend; they already have a distribution network. Given the trouble people have with re-fillables, gas stations wouldn't carry them for long after so many customers trying to return 'defective' products. I have vaped a VUSE until it said the cartridge was empty. Not a single dry hit...

The new BLU PLUS tanks are quite nice. Don't know about their new batteries, though, as I tested the tanks on a ProVari...

They are smart enough to know there are dual users who want to vape where they can't smoke and smart enough to know some people will simply quit smoking, so want a piece of the pie. Their ads are also targeted at smokers and say they should be used by smokers. It's common sense...

 

[crxess]

Fun Fact and Fiction reading in this one.

Whatever the reason, for now only they really know.
Could be nothing more than in design (X) they know CHEAP will meet safety concerns of the back pocket........er....FDA
I could be totally off base.

Back to my APV

 

[Visus]

Polyfill is a plastic...

They aren't going to sell mechs, RTAs and APVs at gas stations. Their niche is disposable and closed system cigalikes. To think a successful company would spend $millions on a product they know is bad and meant to fail would be absurd....

Here most gas stations sell e juice along side starter kits just about every gas station I go in has an ego ce4 or evod starter kit.
True enough no rda's/tanks etc but they sell the ego kits like hotcakes.

E juice is local in most too and some are really good, some hv been really bad lol... I boyscout new territory and try any ejuice as long as sealed and labeled properly. I am blown away by a sahara gold, a new e juice I tried from the gas station friday, its the most amazing e juice I have tried yet, they only sell locally.. I think its a chocolate, honey, tobacco, caramel, with a side of Jesus juice. I also tried their new apple last thurs and its amazingly, bought two more after trying one, the next day they had the sahara and I said why not.. Their previous apple was horrible.. I go to the B&M pay 8-15 bucks for 10ml juice or to the gas station and pay 4 bucks 15ml its a no brainer since some of the juice awesome, they are making excellent stock choices.. They have to compete again in this new arena and are winning me over... I am noticing it jumping off the shelf now, at first I was one of the main buyers.

 

[beckdg]

Given the trouble people have with re-fillables, gas stations wouldn't carry them for long after so many customers trying to return 'defective' products.

doubt that. i've personally seen a couple dozen ego style kits sold at truck stops recently. (hopped up gas stations) haven't seen a single cigalike sold. some of the guys were upgrading from cigalikes stating they're tired of paying out the nose for **** poor performance that doesn't last worth a darn.

yet to see one being returned. i'm guessing pride keeps people from returning them in many cases.

Given so many posts on here, many vapers are just as addicted to e-nic as they were to cigarettes...

yes... ex-smokers.

when the up and coming generation doesn't get as hooked as easily, sales will suffer. period. we all know it deep down.

 

[crxess]

doubt that. i've personally seen a couple dozen ego style kits sold at truck stops recently. (hopped up gas stations) haven't seen a single cigalike sold. some of the guys were upgrading from cigalikes stating they're tired of paying out the nose for **** poor performance that doesn't last worth a darn.

yet to see one being returned. i'm guessing pride keeps people from returning them in many cases.



yes... ex-smokers.

when the up and coming generation doesn't get as hooked as easily, sales will suffer. period. we all know it deep down.

Works for me. Those Fields can grow Peanuts, Soy Beans and Corn just as well as Tobacco.

 

[aikanae1]

Absurd the tobacco corps would harm customers? Take a look at the entire history of smoking.

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[bluecat]

Both good points...
However, would you mind if I share my point of view?
I see it like this:
Big Tobacco has enough money to buy any company willing enough. Therefore, they could produce a quality vape experience, even if just by buying/owning a company that already did.
They know exactly what they're doing, because let's face it...money talks.
That being said, I truly think they would not invest money in an industry that was truly "bad for us"...I'm willing to bet that Big Tobacco has always known exactly what smoking would do to people, because they've got the money and reach to do the testing...then they keep that info in their back pocket...
Well, I feel the same thing is gonna happen with vaping... They are going to do all the testing secretly, or have already done it. And that's why they decided to step into the industry. Because they know what's up. So they take that knowledge, and use it to create an inferior product, as a means of control...they are trying to control smokers by getting them hooked (physically and financially) on a new habit...and/or they are trying to scare people back to cigarettes.
Meanwhile, they allow their products (which are still dangerous) to be tested in the public eye, which causes the public general to demonize the products we use...

Let's look at it from the money standpoint and have some realistic views.

Global cigarette sales in 2013. 750 billion dollars by some estimates. Ecig sales were 1-2 billion. The last estimates I read were ecig to hit around 10 billion in 10 years. Even if the 10 billion come from all cigarette smokers it is hardly a dent in BT pockets. BT spends more on advertising than what ecig sales were.

Inferior? That is all by individual. Many say they are too expensive yet we here on here state that it is still cheaper than smoking. Which could be the same for BT ecigs. Taste? Subjective. The one I had was pleasant. I have tried many a premium and budget liquids.. I can't say the premium lines are any better than the budget. Personally I will stick with unflavored.

I also think BT vaporizors are more innovative than the others we are seeing. Let's use Provape.. P2 vs P3.. mainly variable wattage and temp control. Yawn. I haven't seen anything that improves on the kick except higher wattage. We, on ECF, seem to think higher wattage, more coils, bigger airhole as innovative. Give me smaller form factor larger battery life which we may/may not get from BT.

One demonizes cigarettes one will demonize e-cigs. We on here do it to ourselves by demonizing big tobacco. Maybe one day we will be able to separate the two, but not in the short term.

Personally? My feelings. If you want to vape, vape. If you want to smoke, smoke. I don't give a crap. Just live with your decision and don't cry that someone forced you to do it and how unfair life is.

 

[beckdg]

Just live with your decision and don't cry that someone forced you to do it and how unfair life is.

Now THAT is unfair.

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[Lessifer]

I don't have a vuse package in front of me, though I do have a pack of Mark Ten cartridges. What is conspicuously missing is any mention of ingredients in the liquid. There is a warning label about the nicotine, but no mention of what else is in the liquid. Now, for the most part, I take the word of my vendors that my liquids contain pg/vg/nicotine/flavorings, even if I may not know exactly what those flavorings are. The scary part is, that old ANTZ rhetoric of "you don't actually know what's in there" actually does apply to the Vuse and Mark Ten. Blu used to use Johnson Creek liquid, but they took over their own liquid manufacturing a while ago I believe.

ETA: I realize my post is slightly OT, but my point is, we have no idea what they are using in any of their products. Though I agree that they probably never intended it to be exposed to that much heat. You can't dry burn a vuse cartridge, you can't even fire it on anything other than a vuse battery.

 

[aikanae1]

I have no doubt consumers will have less say and less knowledge about what they are vaping if bt, bp and their minions at FDA gain control of the industry. Diketones wont even chart on the list of top health concerns.

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[stevegmu]

Funny diketones would be mentioned, when so many e-juice vendors use them, don't test for them, don't warn against them and in at least 1 case falsify test results. Sounds kind of like BT...

 

[beckdg]

Funny diketones would be mentioned, when so many e-juice vendors use them, don't test for them, don't warn against them and in at least 1 case falsify test results. Sounds kind of like BT...

Nah

You're a few hundred purposely added carcinogens short of their goals.

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[stevegmu]

Nah

You're a few hundred purposely added carcinogens short of their goals.

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There are far worse things than carcinogens...

 

[beckdg]

There are far worse things than carcinogens...

We won't bring my wife into this.

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[fretplayer20]

Wait ................................................

None of this can be true. I saw a commercial the other night about how the Vuse being the most advanced ecig because it has a micro-processor. I mean look at this excerpt from the RJ website:

"What is VUSE?

VUSE is the only E-Cigarette that finally delivers a satisfying and great tasting vapor experience combined with consistent and reliable performance."


Jesus .... I can't even keep up with my own sarcasm this early. To summarize ... what did you really expect to find in there? You knew it would make you angry but you did it anyway.

 

[stevegmu]

I do think it is the most advanced cigalike. I couldn't get a dry hit off of the one I tried. I prefer the G6 though..l

 

[englishmick]

To those thinking the chip is going to regulate temperature: really? Seems pretty unlikely to me - the OP nailed it: the chip is there to make sure you can't re-use the thing. The whole industry as Big Tobacco envisions it would probably be modeled on inkjet printing: give away the hardware at whatever you can get for it, make the products incompatible/proprietary, and sell the disposable (liquid) at incredibly profitable levels.

(3000% markup on materials anyone?)

When I was a kid, long ago, the soles of shoes were made of leather and wore out really fast. There was a widespread rumour that somebody had invented a shoe sole that would last forever, and the shoe industry had paid the inventor millions to bury it. I think that one was bull, but over the intervening decades I have come to believe that there is absolutely nothing the captains of industry wouldn't do to make money.

In my State back in the early 90's there was a burst of publicity about herbs that had medicinal properties. There was one I remember which had a similar effect to Valium (Valerian?). The drug industry actually pushed to get a law passed that would make it illegal to grow any herbs that had been claimed to have medicinal properties, on the grounds that people might take them and they hadn't been approved by the FDA and could be dangerous. Because they cared about our safety, yeah sure. Didn't happen in the end.

So I'm pretty much ready to believe they would knowingly produce ineffective or even dangerous products to sabotage the ecig train, alongside their black propaganda campaigns. Maybe they aren't, but they are capable of it if they thought it would help their bottom line in the long term. Does that all make me a conspiracy theory nut? Maybe.