VVGrand Battery Drain All the Time?

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dodari

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Put 2 new 18350s-AW IMR in my VVGrand a week ago and it sat all week, never used it. Grabbed it tonight and hit the fire button and it didn't fire. Pulled batts and checked with MM and one was 0.23v, the other 1.04v. Hopefully they'll take a charge.

Does the VVGrand steadily drain electricity even though not in use? Don't have the problem with other mods.
 

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Put 2 new 18350s-AW IMR in my VVGrand a week ago and it sat all week, never used it. Grabbed it tonight and hit the fire button and it didn't fire. Pulled batts and checked with MM and one was 0.23v, the other 1.04v. Hopefully they'll take a charge.

Does the VVGrand steadily drain electricity even though not in use? Don't have the problem with other mods.

yes. pull the batts or use the off switch if you're gonna let it sit.

i've been told the provari, for example does that same thing. i haven't seen my tube mods in a couple months. maybe i should check them :)
 

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Thanks guys, good info. Will use the on/off switch from now on.

Tried both batts on the I2 charger and it was a no-go. Put both then on the Pila and it just finished both. MM-ed them at 4,19 and 4,18 volts and I feel I lucked out this time.

So, all's cool.

you did get lucky! i killed at least 4 brand new AWs before i stumbled on a post mentioning it.

my i4 charger couldn't resurrect any. i think my xtar charger brought 1 back to life, FWIW
 

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you guys need to get a good batt charger that can recover drained batts i have a couple xtars that will do it and i have tested it so i know it works

If I may, just a word of caution about recovering overdischarged lithium rechargeables. There's a difference between overdischarged & overdischarged with permanent damage.

If a lithium rechargeable is over discharged chances are it can be revived depending on the cells condition/life. Many chargers will not charge an overdischarged cell for safety reasons & the low voltage cutoff varies with the charger's manufacturer. If a cell is over discharged & recharged fairly quick after chances are it will be a survivor if you have a charger that will charge it back up from the low voltage state. However if a cell is extremely overdischarged (below 2v) & is left in that state for a long period of time, chances are that cell has suffered permanent damage.

When I say killed the cells, I mean that they have permanent damage & not because my charger won't charge them. When a cell has permanent damage, when attempting to recharge it it should be very closely monitored for heat. A damaged cell will get hot during charging & probably won't charge up to 4v. It might but after pulling it from the charger to settle, if you checknthe voltage periodically you will find the voltage constantly dropping as it settles. IMRs (Li-Mn) are safe chemistry but in these cases it can still vent. The danger is much greater for a Li-Co since they are known to vent.

I've used AW cells since 2005 & I have killed Li-ions & IMRs mainly from neglect or from devices with parasitic drain that I was not aware about. I never heard of a method to truely recover a damaged cell. Lithium rechargeable s are totally different chemistry than Ni-Cads & Ni-Mhs, conditioning & shocking with high voltage does not work on lithium rechargeables, well at least I never heard of anyone attempting to, I sure wouldn't.

I use a hobby charger to charge my IMRs (cause I'm impatient with most chargers & low charging rates). I can set the charge rate from 100ma to 5A. It will charge cells that have been overdischarged but if a cell is damaged from overdischarged for a long period of time, that's that. I have a Nitecore i2 & an old WF-139 that will not charge an overdischarged cell because of the safety cut off but I only use them for travel or my smaller li-ions.

So if I overdischarge a cell by accident (which is not often), I will try to recover it but if it happens to get very warm to touch during that initial charge after I know that cell is done for & won't even bother with it. They should never get that warm charging even when i charge certain cells at 4.5 - 5A.They're cheap enough to replace & not worth the risk.
 
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If they go below 2v ........ Which 6 of mine have (had) done ....... I don't even try.

I spend enough money on vaping that tossing a set of batteries to stay safe is no worry. Ya its a bummer but hey.
(By tossing I mean recycling properly at an approved location)

Well I guess it was enough of a bummer that I no longer own any REO VV devices :(

EDIT: the two I did recharge that were 2.2 ish I waited a day and they went back up like .3v by themselves first ??
 
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If they go below 2v ........ Which 6 of mine have (had) done ....... I don't even try.

I spend enough money on vaping that tossing a set of batteries to stay safe is no worry. Ya its a bummer but hey.
(By tossing I mean recycling properly at an approved location)

Well I guess it was enough of a bummer that I no longer own any REO VV devices :(

EDIT: the two I did recharge that were 2.2 ish I waited a day and they went back up like .3v by themselves first ??

One mans trash is another mans treasure :). This baby stays on all the time and I swap the batteries every day. What a kick AYuss vape tool this beast is. :)

Thank you GOD for the minuscule amount of drain to fire that concealed red light :).
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One mans trash is another mans treasure :). This baby stays on all the time and I swap the batteries every day. What a kick AYuss vape tool this beast is. :)

Thank you GOD for the minuscule amount of drain to fire that concealed red light :).
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Just waiting patiently for a chance to get a VV Woodvil. Looks awesome! :vapor:
 

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Yep you scored a nice one Russ ....... :)

There is more drain that just that little light though ....Those batteries would run that light for months and months.

The VV will drain a set to zero in just a couple weeks. Although it seemed like my VV Grand was worse than the VV Woodvil ........ Errrr maybe just the woodvil never sat as long as the grand, its just too nice not to hold it :)
 
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