Waffle's Kaji Box Mod Review

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This is a review of the Kaji Box mod.

Normally I like to do an initial impression straight out of the box, but as I was asked to test this mod and provide input, I opted to skip the initial review. So I may not have the manic ranting that comes from being completely excited as I usually am after opening a new shiny :)

**Prologue**
I have no technical prowess, no concept of physics, math, or electronics. I am a guy that likes to vape. To my knowledge, I have never owned a PV that I hate. Each has its own personality and style.... Kaji has a nice intro to his mod with some pics and stats that may be of interest: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...rum/96573-r-r-manufacturing-introduction.html
I used some of Kaji's pictures as they are far superior to my iphone, and he did a good job of getting all the goodies out there for us to see.

Kaji Box Mod
Welcome to R&R Manufacturing - Handcrafted Battery Box Mods

The Good

This mod is a much smaller and lighter wooden box mod than I initially expected. My first thought was "I thought this was an AFS box mod! Where's the AFS?!" But its in there... Kaji has done a great job of utilizing space and keeping the Kaji Box Mod a tight, solid attractive unit.

The model he sent me was the Yellowheart with Paduk ends. And I'm glad he did. It is beautiful wood, with a solid durable finish. I initially worried about this mod being flimsy and worried about its durability as other box mods I had tested were thick solid heavy wood....

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....But fear not space cadets! Make no mistake about it, this thing is solid. The paduk ends are fused onto a solid piece of channeled wood with a high tensile 2p10 wood glue that Kaji ensures me is rated at a whopping 4000 psi!

It has an attractive brass colored (on this model) AFS plunger and that wonderful quality switch also seen on the Phidius Woodimus and Reo box mods.. no point in reinventing the wheel there, but as I said before and will continue to say... where is the brass version? ;)

The inside of this mod is as beautiful as the outside. Everytime I get to see one of these new box mods, the internal electronics just keep getting better and better. Kaji has done some great work here. The only wires you will see are between the switch and the atomizer. Probably no more than 1/4" total

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Kaji has utilized brass rails instead of stretching wire around the perimeter of the mod. I asked Kaji about this, and he says this was done to preserve aesthetics and also makes repair a modular endeavor that is very easy.

The AFS feed is very effective, and clean. It utilizes a pin that allow the juice to feed directly into the atty and eliminates leakage. It can leak and flood, but it requires a bit more effort to do so than the other wooden box mods I've had experience with. Kaji gave me a nice little explanation when I asked him how it worked. I will add this as soon as I get permission to quote him here...stay tuned.

Egonomically this mod is superior to the other wooden box mods. Its lightweight and small size allow it to be a bit more confortable in smaller hands. It is also the first box mod that I feel completely comfortable throwing into my pocket and running out the door. It's so light you almost forget its there.

I tested this mod using an 18650 AW LiMn battery with a low resistance atomizer...I was in the butter zone. I did have trouble fitting the green ultrafire 16340s but the AW LiMn 123's fit fine. As usual it seems like these batteries always have a bit of inconsistency in size anyhow so your mileage may vary.

Kaji has given liberal use of magnets to secure the door and the batteries as well. Nothing shakes loose or falls out. As much as I am fan of the snus box sliding door, those things have nothing on Kaji's fully removable back. That thing isn't going anywhere.

The size, functionality and aesthetics of this mod are spot on. It has a very cool retro look to it. The Yellowheart/Paduk model looks like a piece of vintage furniture from the 50's-60's and I am in love with it. Very unique.

The Bad

The only hangup I have about this mod is really minor, and mostly a very microscopic quality of life issue.

The plunger that feeds the AFS in this mod lacks a certain "something". This is not a big deal, as it is a result of a specific design aspect. The feed button lacks a spring which allows it to utilize less space and fewer parts.

The resistance from the bottle acts as a spring and seems to utilize suction as the mechanism to advance the juice. This is okay, because it works great. In fact rather than "plunge plunge plunge" the action is more like "Plunge and hold" as you hold the button, the juice gradually feeds into the atty.

I have just become accostomed to the spring like feeling and this plunger seems a bit soft. This is a small trade off though, and if there is a learning curve to this mod, I think "getting a feel" for the plunger would be it.

This learning curve takes exactly 7.5 seconds.

I do worry about dropping this mod and having the feed pin break, but the atty is very secure in the adapter end. I think if you use enough force to bust off the pin, than you probably have used enough force to destroy your mod...

The Ugly

The only ugliness you will see is when your wife/spouse/singificant-insignigicant-other steals your mod.

This mod may become a source of tension in your relationship (Clyde can vouch for this, I'm sure).

I seem to have to use the feed button on this mod more than some of the other AFS mods, and this may be due to the pin-feed system. The trade off is that you get a much cleaner and more consistent feed... you just have to pump it a bit more often.

Other than that, I am really hard pressed to find anything else to complain about... it is a very well thought out mod.

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Waffle sez:
This mod likes to go with me to a nice locals bar with live music. I can pull up a bar stool throw a few dollars in to a poker machine. It doesn't take up too much room, so I can keep it close without impinging on my beers personal space. The AFS allows me to be completely set-up almost eliminating the need to bring along accessories and adjuncts.

If I were to improve this mod, I'd have Kaji stick a sexy pinup girl on the back panel, thereby increasing my retro street-cred. I may have to buy another one just to meet this desire.


Summary:

Kaji's box mod is a solid, beautiful piece of work. The AFS is effective, and consistent. The size and weight are superior to other box mods. Kaji puts love and pride into each piece. The plunger doesn't have the "pop" that other box mods have, but makes up for it in simplicity and function without ignoring aesthetics.

This box is more conducive to portability than it's competitors, is aesthetically on par with it's competitors, and is priced fairly for the excellent quality.

If someone asked me to show them an example of a quality AFS box mod, this is the one that I would currently use... and thats a statement... because Kaji's competitors are worthy adversaries.

If you are looking to add to your collection, or are looking to buy a quality AFS mod, Kaji's box mod is a solid choice that won't leave you wanting.

Thanks for taking time to read this review, I hope you found it helpful.

Thanks to Kaji for giving me a chance to review this mod, and for the chance to see this mod develop on the ground level.

Thanks to all the modders out there that continually raise the bar, it's people like you that keep the world of vaping fresh and interesting. Vaping is freedom, and through innovation and education we can keep it alive.
 
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150 sounds like a reasonable price! free shipping? how much juice does it hold and what are the dimensions? The all Brazilian cherry is the mother effin sweetness.

Maybe someone else will be more accurate but its bit over 1.5" wide, a nosehair over 1" thick and 3.5" high.

Looks like about 5-6ml bottle?

Weighs a little less than 3 1/2 901 atomizers :D

Dammit Jim, I'm a vaper not an engineer!
 

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Hey, stranger.

I have a question about AFS mods in general. Is there a way to clean out the tubing (or whatever) when you switch flavors or will there always be a period when you've made a new liquid concoction before the new flavor takes over?

In my Journeyman I switch botts all the time. I just blow out the little tube. Takes about 1 second. This makes the first feed on new flavor take about one second longer to feed as the tube is now empty. Of course you will still have some residual in your atty but if it is not a particularly strong flavor (like cinn), I find that also clears pretty quickly. And, you can swap out attys in just a few seconds as well.

Hope this helps.
FWIW, I have one of the originals, my custom 5V 6ml is being shipped today or tomorrow and I am already looking forward to whatever Kaji comes up with next. With my 5V Journeyman, I will have 9 mods and these are certainly my #1 goto!! :banana: Gotta luv the wood and a feeding mod that works flawlessly time after time with no leaking or flooding. And, these are beautiful too! :D
 

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In my Journeyman I switch botts all the time. I just blow out the little tube. Takes about 1 second. This makes the first feed on new flavor take about one second longer to feed as the tube is now empty. Of course you will still have some residual in your atty but if it is not a particularly strong flavor (like cinn), I find that also clears pretty quickly. And, you can swap out attys in just a few seconds as well.

Hope this helps.
FWIW, I have one of the originals, my custom 5V 6ml is being shipped today or tomorrow and I am already looking forward to whatever Kaji comes up with next. With my 5V Journeyman, I will have 9 mods and these are certainly my #1 goto!! :banana: Gotta luv the wood and a feeding mod that works flawlessly time after time with no leaking or flooding. And, these are beautiful too! :D

Sorry I'm late to the party. But yes, I do this as well. You may get a puff or two that is a little funky, but it cleans out pretty quick.
 

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Hey Waff,
Don't know if you saw my other posts but I got my 5V 6ml and it is AWESOME. Hits best of my four different 5V devices. Each seems to have a different type of regulation. Some are regulators, others resistors and the PT (?).

But this one certainly hits best of the bunch. I don't vape more than 3 or 4 mls per day and I use other devices too. I got the 6 ml because I already have so many juices that came in standard 6ml bottles - this allows me to easily swap out flavors without having to constantly refill (other than from the 1 OZ botts I get of my favs).

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Hey Waff,
Don't know if you saw my other posts but I got my 5V 6ml and it is AWESOME. Hits best of my four different 5V devices. Each seems to have a different type of regulation. Some are regulators, others resistors and the PT (?).

But this one certainly hits best of the bunch. I don't vape more than 3 or 4 mls per day and I use other devices too. I got the 6 ml because I already have so many juices that came in standard 6ml bottles - this allows me to easily swap out flavors without having to constantly refill (other than from the 1 OZ botts I get of my favs).

:toast:

Very nice!

Can't go wrong with this mod. I am a huge fan!
 

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Hi Waffle and nice review. My birthday is coming up soon and I believe I have my better half talked into getting:thumbs: me a new mod. I have a question about the 5 volt option. Is there anything other than a regular atty or cartomizer that can be used at 5 volts? I didn't mention H.V. atty cause I figured what would be the point. I don't believe I could use a L.R. atty on 5 volts. So is this option a personal preference thing? some people just like 5 volts and only 5 volts. Any advantages? Just wondered if I might have missed a new development. Also curious as to why I couldn't have all 3 options in one box. Anyway this beautiful thing is almost exactly what I have been searching for in a mod. If it had a V.V. from 3.7 to 6 I wouldn't ask the better half, I'd just buy it!:D
 

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Rocky,
I realize you asked Waffle. I thought I might chime in as I have experimented a lot with different attys and mods. I have four different 5V mods. As noted above, this one hits best of the bunch.

Of course Waffle may chime in too. I think attys are really a matter of personal preference. Atty resistance (ohms) when combined with volts produces the resultant heat (watts). The heat impacts flavor, vapor mostly and can impact throat hit as well (some think nic absorption too). There are so many variables that it is difficult to nail down any specific formula. Juice ingredients also play a significant role. VG burns at lower temps so the hotter things get, the easier and faster you can reach those burning tastes with more VG in your juice mixes. I find that sweet and fruity flavors also tend to lose flavor at higher heat levels. PG, tobaccos and menthols seems to stand up the the heat better (at least for me).

So, as a rough guideline: volts squared and divide by ohms (of the atty) equals watts. Stated another way: V x V/Ohms=watts I (and many seem to agree) find the watts sweet spot in the 7.5 to 9 (ish) range.

Most regular 510 attys are 2.5 ohms. Most 801 series (801, BE112 & 302) are 3.3 ohms, and 901s are also native 3.3 ohms. You can get the 510 in the 3.0-3.3 ohms range (the BE510 is available at elixir). Each provides different vaping experience in therms of hit, flavor and vapor. I encourage you to try each and see how YOU like them. Each will perform differently on different volts levels and (I find) even on different 5V devices as each device will have different from of voltage regulation (as in different resistors or regulators). I am finding different attys seem to perform best on different devices ( I now have favored attys for each of my 5V devices). On my 5V Journeyman, I am heavily leaning towards the BE510 atty.

So to wrap up the math (and this post), you can use the formula as a general guideline (using the 5V example):
5V x 5V/2.5 (regular 510 atty) = 10 watts

5V x 5V/3.3 ohms= 7.57 watts
5V x 5V/3.0 ohms= 8.33 watts

I would encourage you to experiment as opportunity and your budget allow. I suspect you will find which combo best fits your preferences as each WILL be a different vaping experience (same juice will vape differently in each atty, same atty will vape differently on different devices --- at least IMHO).

Hope you find this helpful.
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Hi Waffle and nice review. My birthday is coming up soon and I believe I have my better half talked into getting:thumbs: me a new mod. I have a question about the 5 volt option. Is there anything other than a regular atty or cartomizer that can be used at 5 volts? I didn't mention H.V. atty cause I figured what would be the point. I don't believe I could use a L.R. atty on 5 volts. So is this option a personal preference thing? some people just like 5 volts and only 5 volts. Any advantages? Just wondered if I might have missed a new development. Also curious as to why I couldn't have all 3 options in one box. Anyway this beautiful thing is almost exactly what I have been searching for in a mod. If it had a V.V. from 3.7 to 6 I wouldn't ask the better half, I'd just buy it!:D
 

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I shant respond to Rocky's post because Neb's Kung Fu is greater than mine.

futbol:
I find that 510's give me a better TH, but as for the no nic level...I'm not sure what to say. I haven't been able to get a satisfactory TH from no nic juice. Some stronger flavors like Atomic Cinnacide and things with Black Pepper in can do the job to some degree... and of course a PG rich mix may give you more than one with higher VG.

Higher Voltage may help to some degree as well, might take some experimenting to find your personal favorites.




Does anybody knows how to make my no nic liquid taste better more flavor? I know is kindda hard to get a throat hit with no nicotine, but I am willing to try anything not to vape no more nic thanks for ur help
 

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Any advantages? Just wondered if I might have missed a new development. Also curious as to why I couldn't have all 3 options in one box. Anyway this beautiful thing is almost exactly what I have been searching for in a mod. If it had a V.V. from 3.7 to 6 I wouldn't ask the better half, I'd just buy it!:D
Two more points:
1) As you can see by my signature line, I have tried a bunch of mods at different voltages (and most previous post - a bunch of different attys). I find I like different things about each. 5V is by far my preferred level.

Of course I have tried LR attys at 3.7 volts. And, they DO provide similar Watts thereby "simulating" HV vaping. However, I do NOT find it the SAME as HV. I find that the LR attys heat differently and get hotter more quickly (especially if you double hit or hit frequently). I use higher VG levels in many juices and this gives me a burning taste faster. I have tried LRs in 510, 801 and 901 and find I like the 510 LRs the best.

In some HV combos, the vapor seems to also sort of push into my mouth and I like that too. I find each combo to be a different vaping experience and throughout the day I find myself reaching for different juices, different mods and with different attys.

2) As for different voltage levels and combos - I STRONGLY encourage you to contact Kaji. He will advise you best. He is extremely knowledgeable and knows every detail about his products. :toast:

Also, FWIW, I use 4.5 ohms 510 attys for 6V vaping.
 
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So to wrap up the math (and this post), you can use the formula as a general guideline (using the 5V example):
5V x 5V/2.5 (regular 510 atty) = 10 watts

5V x 5V/3.3 ohms= 7.57 watts
5V x 5V/3.0 ohms= 8.33 watts
Also, FWIW, I use 4.5 ohms 510 attys for 6V vaping.
Are all these different ohms available in a 510 atty? and if so, some websites post the brand and ohms some do not. How do I find them.

Am I reading you correctly, the 3.3, 3.0, and 4.5 are the different ohms available in a 510 atty? I'm just not sure and I hope you will excuse my iggy on this. This box mod is very appealing to me and I honestly haven't been interested in much anything "but" a bottom juice feeder. I don't like the idea of a tube sticking out the top at all. This looks perfect( close to ) for me, I'm just trying to figure out which voltage option would be best.

Here is what( it appears to me ) that your saying. If I select the 5 volt option I can get different ohm attys for different vaping experience??
When I think about it more I don't think this is what your saying. Don't ya just love the ramblings of someones brain coming through a keyboard. I'm just gonna leave this as is and maybe someone who can decipher my ramblings will have the courage to respond to my gibberish. I am sincere though and do appreciate the response I'm just not sure I get it fully.

p.s. I would have wrapped the top part(your quote) in a box but can't figure that out yet :toast:
 

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Rocky,
I am happy to attempt to clarify. However, I DO honestly believe it will be in your very best interest to contact Kaji directly. I am a huge fan of his products. Like Wafflestomper, I too wrote a very detailed review of this product (you can find it in this same Electronic Cigarettes Reviews section. Kaji is best equipped to advise you about his devices. I have learned a great deal from him and I know you will as well.

Generally, as I said, attys are very much a matter of personal preference. Yes, you can change attys and have different vaping experiences. Some like the regular 510 atty at its native 2.5 ohms (some like it on a variety of devices and voltages) even on a 5V device. Personally, I find this too hot for my taste and it tends to burn out much of the flavor from my juices. If you are a fan of the 510 atty, for THIS device, at 5V, you might consider the 3.0 to 3.3 ohm version sold by Elixir (these are a bit inconsistent in that some may meter at 3.0 ohms and others at 3.3). Using the formula I posted, you can see the difference in the Watts (heat) produced by these attys compared o the regular 2.5 versions. I find they hold more flavor and the vape is warm and not hot (like with the 2.5 version at 5V)

Generally, I use attys in the 3.3 ohm range on 5V devices. As I posted, I have 4 different 5V devices. On some I use the 801 series (these include 801, BE112 and 302), I use 901s on others. On my 5V Journeyman - I use the BE510 from elixir.

For 3.7 volt devices, I use either regular 2.5 ohm 510 or LR 1.7 (ish) ohms 510 attys. I have tried 901 LR and 801 LR and like the 510 best. Mostly on 3.7 I use LR 510 and yet I do keep a supply of regular 2.5 attys just to have and in case I get an urge for a change.

Each atty has its own characteristics; as I said, some more vapor others more flavor - you really have to try and see which ones YOU like. Some people say this is best or that is best but what they are really saying is "this one is best - FOR ME". If you really want to maximize YOUR vaping experience, I encourage you to spend some money and buy 2 or 3 of a variety of different style attys and actually try them for yourself. Give each one a couple days (at least). Keep the attys and go back to them occasionally. You may find that what you do not like today, you may like next week or next month.

Some people like to keep things simple and have a couple devices and one or 2 style attys and just stick with it. I have my own approach - I find devices and attys for different circumstance and find some juices like each better. No one can tell you how you like to cook and season your food and no one can tell you which attys, juices, voltages and combos YOU will enjoy for your vaping.

Given those generalizations, I still strongly encourage you to contact Kaji. Ask HIM about voltages on his devices. Anyone who has dealt with him will say the same thing: he is super nice and HE can advise you best for his products. He is very knowledgeable and can advise you best on voltages, batteries, and offer some guidance on attys - I say guidance because he too will tell you that atty choice is really a matter of personal preference.

If you wish to discuss this further, please PM me as this thread is now detouring off topic.
 

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thanks for all your help:) I am a newbie and I will do what u said, I will play with different attys and flavors to see which ones I like best. sorry for being inrellevant but I was told that the terminator will work with the kaji box, have u heard about this? because it it does then I can just buy 510s and change voltages right to find my sweet spot like u guys say. thank you again:) I already own a kaji and I love it, but I was thinking about buying the little sister because of the variable voltages,but not any more right?
 
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