Wall Street Journal This Morn

[VapinWolf]

WSJTM just mentioned a new study/poll about kiddies using or trying illegals (mentioned {Other stuff} and pain killers) and vaping vs cigarettes.
Illegals are reported being down. 4% have tried cigarettes, 9% have tried vaping.
Added were the remarks that maybe more children are trying vaping because 'of the perception of it being safer although the jury is still out on that'. The sarcasm in her voice was oozing out my speakers. Gotta Clea that up after worj, hope it doesn't stain..

National Institute For Drug Abuse did this report? Regardless of full report, I feel we should all be concerned about such as the sound bites are short and paint a bad image.


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[Jode]

We can be concerned all we want but in the end there is very little anybody can do to stop anybody from these types of stories. As much as it pains me to say this......this may be an area that is actually true to a point. Think about it. Kids have always been drawn to things they cannot have so yes, vaping is going to be in that arena whether we want it to be or not. The difference with vaping is if they can get their hands on equipment and juice (no harder then cig, booze, or drugs) they can conceal it easier. They can steal away a vape in their homes, classroom, or bathrooms. "Vapin in the boysroom" So the only thing I really disagree with is the fact that what is drawing the young'uns is the safety issue. It is the fact that they can do it easier without being caught. I really wish that vaping was not connected to smoking at all. I mean there are many things sold today that are really really bad for our youth. Soda, energy drinks, pep pills, the list goes on and these things have no restrictions. I cringe more seeing the 4 year old telling mommy she wants coke with her happy meal then I would seeing a 15 yr old vaping.

 

[ProjektMayhem]

We can be concerned all we want but in the end there is very little anybody can do to stop anybody from these types of stories. As much as it pains me to say this......this may be an area that is actually true to a point. Think about it. Kids have always been drawn to things they cannot have so yes, vaping is going to be in that arena whether we want it to be or not. The difference with vaping is if they can get their hands on equipment and juice (no harder then cig, booze, or drugs) they can conceal it easier. They can steal away a vape in their homes, classroom, or bathrooms. "Vapin in the boysroom" So the only thing I really disagree with is the fact that what is drawing the young'uns is the safety issue. It is the fact that they can do it easier without being caught. I really wish that vaping was not connected to smoking at all. I mean there are many things sold today that are really really bad for our youth. Soda, energy drinks, pep pills, the list goes on and these things have no restrictions. I cringe more seeing the 4 year old telling mommy she wants coke with her happy meal then I would seeing a 15 yr old vaping.

Yeah I can definitely see how vaping would appeal to kids. They can vape almost anywhere without people noticing like at school. I know I started smoking when I was 16 years old. In NC you can have cigarettes when you're 16 you just can't buy them which makes no sense to me at all. But I know when I was younger I did all kinds of stuff that I wasn't supposed to do. A lot of it was because I wanted to impress my peers. I think that with vapes being so accessible to minors and peer pressure that's just bad combination. I would definitely support all online vape companies having to do that age check where you type in your name and address and they look you up to verify your age. And B&M stores having to card everyone like they do for cigarettes.

 

[Woofer]

I would definitely support all online vape companies having to do that age check where you type in your name and address and they look you up to verify your age. And B&M stores having to card everyone like they do for cigarettes.

I would definitely not support vape companies having to do that age check where you type in your name and address and they look you up to verify your age.
First what does that prove, kids lie. Second don't punish me because parents don't know what their kids are doing, not my problem.

 

[KGB7]

Scary stories pay the bills, not sunshine and rainbows.


Watch movie Nightcrawler.

 

[Jode]

Yeah I can definitely see how vaping would appeal to kids. They can vape almost anywhere without people noticing like at school. I know I started smoking when I was 16 years old. In NC you can have cigarettes when you're 16 you just can't buy them which makes no sense to me at all. But I know when I was younger I did all kinds of stuff that I wasn't supposed to do. A lot of it was because I wanted to impress my peers. I think that with vapes being so accessible to minors and peer pressure that's just bad combination. I would definitely support all online vape companies having to do that age check where you type in your name and address and they look you up to verify your age. And B&M stores having to card everyone like they do for cigarettes.

While I agree that store owners should card for age verification I think the age verification online is a joke. I cannot really picture a kid (even a very good kid) seeing that over 18 enter, under 18 leave now and saying oh, I cannot cross this barrier. It's just a little blurb to cover the companies buttocks. If an order is placed for anything, an address, credit card and other information is needed that would verify age most of the time. As an adult I find the ones where you have to do the drop list and put in your birthdate a PITA. If for a moment I thought it would really help stop a kid then I would support it but it really does nothing. Im curious, when you were 16 if you were able to go online and you were faced with a check like you say, would it deter you or would you just put your parents name and address to get by it?

Sorry to OP. I am not trying to derail the topic, just had to respond.

 

[fretplayer20]

Nature of the beast, my friend. Unfortunately we all have to deal with media spill-out. This rings true for everyone and everyone's hobbies that aren't functionally "G rated". A report on frisbee in the park may not be twisted to make it seem like everyone who plays frisbee has the devil inside them, but I really wouldn't be surprised if it were.

As good as some people "think" and you and I "know" ecigs are a better alternative ... remember that it's change. This means it's a topic. Any topic will have pro/opponents. It just so happens that {presumably} you and I don't have hundreds of thousands of dollars to campaign our thoughts all over national radio. The ones with the money to fund all of this negative publicity are, in a good amount of cases, the same ones whose wallets will slowly start shrinking due to our new-found joy in life.

Can't we just have the final say over what we do with our own bodies? The short answer is "probably not". Who's down for going in halfsies on a new nation-island where we can vape without have to continually learn from media outlets that we're horrible, horrible people?

 

[Steam Turbine]

Forbes has a very interesting take on the New York time article... Here it is:

Excellent News As E-Cigarette, Or Vaping, Use Rises

 

[bluecat]

Scary stories pay the bills, not sunshine and rainbows.


Watch movie Nightcrawler.

You could also follow the Rolling Stones, piece. Journalism and news does not exist anymore. Sadly the WSJ, is following albeit slowly.

 

[Alien Traveler]

Forbes has a very interesting take on the New York time article... Here it is:

Excellent News As E-Cigarette, Or Vaping, Use Rises

Good article. The best thing it kicks BP's donkey.

 

[CorTed]

Forbes has a very interesting take on the New York time article... Here it is:

Excellent News As E-Cigarette, Or Vaping, Use Rises

Great article. Thanks for sharing.

 

[skoony]

two weeks ago all the studies showed an increase in youth
vaping but at reasonable and explainable rates.
now in just two weeks teen vaping is going through the roof
surpassing cigarettes?
i live in one of the for lack of a better word,more run down neighborhoods.
the twin city area has one of the fastest growing rate of e-cig sales in the
country as we are generally ahead of the curve here. having said that i
can not recall seeing a youth with a cigarette not to mention vaping gear
in recent memory. believe if the kids in this neighborhood got em,there going
to smoke em.
what if anything is happening i believe is these kids are referring to are
party hookah's. these are brightly colored disposable cigalikes that
come in fruit flavors with 0 nic and are all the rage at the teeny parties.
if this isn't it i can't see where they are getting these numbers from.
the shift in numbers does not make sense.

regards
mike

 

[Oberon75]

Yeah I can definitely see how vaping would appeal to kids. They can vape almost anywhere without people noticing like at school. I know I started smoking when I was 16 years old. In NC you can have cigarettes when you're 16 you just can't buy them which makes no sense to me at all. But I know when I was younger I did all kinds of stuff that I wasn't supposed to do. A lot of it was because I wanted to impress my peers. I think that with vapes being so accessible to minors and peer pressure that's just bad combination. I would definitely support all online vape companies having to do that age check where you type in your name and address and they look you up to verify your age. And B&M stores having to card everyone like they do for cigarettes.

Quite a few kids are vaping in my son's middle school according to him. They aren't buying online though. That requires patience as well as the risk of parents finding it in the mail. They are buying from the same gas stations and liquor stores that used to sell us cigarettes when I was 13.

This means they aren't even using the same products that we are. They are using Big Tobaccos cigalikes as well low grade eHookahs and cheap ego batteries with juice from China.

 

[Oberon75]

two weeks ago all the studies showed an increase in youth
vaping but at reasonable and explainable rates.
now in just two weeks teen vaping is going through the roof
surpassing cigarettes?
i live in one of the for lack of a better word,more run down neighborhoods.
the twin city area has one of the fastest growing rate of e-cig sales in the
country as we are generally ahead of the curve here. having said that i
can not recall seeing a youth with a cigarette not to mention vaping gear
in recent memory. believe if the kids in this neighborhood got em,there going
to smoke em.
what if anything is happening i believe is these kids are referring to are
party hookah's. these are brightly colored disposable cigalikes that
come in fruit flavors with 0 nic and are all the rage at the teeny parties.
if this isn't it i can't see where they are getting these numbers from.
the shift in numbers does not make sense.

regards
mike

Yea, regardless of what they are vaping, most vapers, both teen and adult are in fact vaping Zero nic. There's no reason to vape nicotine unless you are or were a cigarette smoker.

 

[bluecat]

Yea, regardless of what they are vaping, most vapers, both teen and adult are in fact vaping Zero nic. There's no reason to vape nicotine unless you are or were a cigarette smoker.

Also no reason to drink alcohol or coffee, right?

 

[Plooom]

Idk why there is a stigma right now against Vaping in the Media. I think it all boils down to the FDA wanting to have full control and get their cut of this massive market. They are trying their hardest at demonizing this "wild west" "unregulated" "Not studied" enterprise. The fact is this. I smoked for years and never have I felt better then when I swapped to E Cigs. Best decision I ever made. One thing we do know. Cigs are horrible for you. How bad could E Cigs be compared to Regular Cigs.

 

[skoony]

Yea, regardless of what they are vaping, most vapers, both teen and adult are in fact vaping Zero nic. There's no reason to vape nicotine unless you are or were a cigarette smoker.

i'd say most young vapers and teens are probably using zero nic.
most vapers however use nic,at least to begin with.
the majority of vapers are over thirty.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...lder-folks-vaping-front-porch-part-three.html
regards
mike

 

[Oberon75]

Idk why there is a stigma right now against Vaping in the Media. I think it all boils down to the FDA wanting to have full control and get their cut of this massive market. They are trying their hardest at demonizing this "wild west" "unregulated" "Not studied" enterprise. The fact is this. I smoked for years and never have I felt better then when I swapped to E Cigs. Best decision I ever made. One thing we do know. Cigs are horrible for you. How bad could E Cigs be compared to Regular Cigs.

It's in the media because headline propaganda makes money. So far the only media figure I've seen support vaping is Greg Gutfeld who hosts Red Eye and co-hosts The Five on Fox News.

Greg Gutfeld - Who Needs Protection From E-Cigs?: http://youtu.be/38kUtC4k_go


Gutfeld: NYC E-Cigarette Laws Created Based On Cl…: http://youtu.be/hhpKtyEAevg

 

[Redhotchewy]

Seriously is anyone surprised that kids can get a hold of this stuff? I mean I could get all the cigs, booze and drugs I wanted when I was 14 years old. I find it a pretty lame attempt to get this stuff off the store shelves by saying "but the kids............think of the kids." Can we all please be adults and acknowledge that parents are in charge of the kids well being and should be held responsible for what their kids do. Can the adults get back to trying not to buy anymore cigs by finding a much healthier habit then smoking? This stuff is such a joke.

 

[Oberon75]

i'd say most young vapers and teens are probably using zero nic.
most vapers however sue nic,at least to begin with.
the majority of vapers are over thirty.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...lder-folks-vaping-front-porch-part-three.html
regards
mike

Right and this stupid claim that ecig and juice manufacturers are specifically targeting nicotine addiction in children with fruit, dessert and candy flavors is absurd. First off, I tried to vape only tobacco and menthol flavors when I first got into this. It does not work like that and most of us need a very wide variety of flavors to constantly stimulate our taste buds. Secondly, the products you find in places that make them accessible to kids like in gas stations and liquor stores are generally tobacco and menthol flavors.