Wanting to start designing my own hybrid..

[klockwood84]

They intrigue the hell out of me! For some reason lately, I have been completely captivated with them. iHybrid, Zenesis, Fogatti, etc etc etc I am absolutely enamored with them. So any thoughts from some of you old pros/ modders/ people smarter than myself, how would I go about designing the high caliber rebuildable and beautiful mod that is haunting my thoughts as of late? Thanks for everything!

 

[potmilkz]

question.. do you have the necessary funds to do so? if not then there is nothing to talk about..

also, the basic connection is pretty self explanatory.. but if you dont even know that.. you should stop there..

 

[Pazazu]

In reality, there's not much reason to design your own hybrid, unless you either have something very different and new to bring to the table, or plan to make it very available and affordable, or both.

iHybrid, Fogatti, and Zenesis all have the same issues. Not enough supply to meet the demand, and the same douchebags buy every single one they can when they are up for sale, just so they can put them up for auction 1 week later.

Its really stupid, and a lot of these people are "friends" with vendors so they can buy them before the sale even happens. Someone needs to design a hybrid, and seriously mass produce it, which iHybrid is doing now.

Hybrids also have their downfall though. You can't really buy most hybrids and switch to any different atomizer. For me that's a pretty big downfall, I mean sometimes I like a kayfun, or a dripper, not just 100% genesis vaping.

 

[klockwood84]

question.. do you have the necessary funds to do so? if not then there is nothing to talk about..

also, the basic connection is pretty self explanatory.. but if you dont even know that.. you should stop there..

Thanks for the response. But I was mainly trying to find out some of the technical aspects of putting a prototype together, and the process involved. Would you like to audit my banking information before I do that? I'm not sure where your attitude toward someone being interested in the process is coming from, but congrats on apparently having all the information on your own. Have a wonderful day!

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[bapgood]

Respectfully potmilkz wasn't completely off base. You didn't offer up much background to your question (design, commercial intent, tools, experience, etc).

There is nothing overly complicated to a genisis style atomizer 510 or hybrid. I believe the current manufactures manipulate and control the cost/supply and demand. Why make 10,000 and charge less when you can make 1,000 and make the same profit. Which they have every right to do.

 

[tmassey]

well since you never got too specific not sure how in depth you wanna go but this looks like a reasonable start for someone with minimal tools required http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/modding-forum/434855-homemade-rebuildable-vaporizer.html

 

[Scubabatdan]

Its a very simple process, First download this:
Free CAD Software

Next learn how to use it, there are alot of tutoials on their website to help out.

This will help with the design aspect, you can choose to have them make it, but one will be costly. You can use the program to make a blueprint of your design and take it to a local machine shop or if your luck and have a freind with a lathe, take em a six pack and "Talk"

Here is a basic model to help you get started, it is the top to a hybrid (the atty)...
https://www.filesanywhere.com/fs/v.aspx?v=8b6a698e61656d7bb2a4

Hope this helps, name the first one after me
Or better yet send me one

Dan

 

[klockwood84]

I don't have much background other than being a dreamer and a tinkerer. I am familiar with some programming and the very basics of electronics. So there's that. But I do appreciate that it would be challenging.
So thank you all for your perspective, I'll keep checking this and post updates if I succeed and actually get some momentum in this thing

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[fido5150]

I'm just about to undertake the same venture.
I've spent about six weeks on the design, and will be dropping some coin on a mini-lathe and drill press to hack together a prototype.

Just keep in mind that you'll quickly find out how many parts there are to a hybrid, and you'll have to design them all. The switch alone has about 5 pieces, if you keep it simple. Then you have insulators and caps, coil attachment systems... the list goes on.

I first designed a genesis-style hybrid that ended up closely resembling the Machaveli (unbeknownst to me at the time). Since I've been enjoying dripping with my iGo-L for about 4 weeks now, I've decided to simplify it even further, and now it'll be a dual-coil dripping hybrid with what I hope are some cool modifications to the traditional design (currently top secret... sssshhhhh).

My goals are for it to be an attractive design, combined with bullet-proof construction, that 'just works'.
I'm so tired of fiddling with things, and I just want a mod I can pull out of my pocket and use, and not have to futz around to get it to work.

We'll see how it goes. Hopefully I'll have something put together by mid-August.

 

[Scubabatdan]

I'm just about to undertake the same venture.
I've spent about six weeks on the design, and will be dropping some coin on a mini-lathe and drill press to hack together a prototype.

Just keep in mind that you'll quickly find out how many parts there are to a hybrid, and you'll have to design them all. The switch alone has about 5 pieces, if you keep it simple. Then you have insulators and caps, coil attachment systems... the list goes on.

I first designed a genesis-style hybrid that ended up closely resembling the Machaveli (unbeknownst to me at the time). Since I've been enjoying dripping with my iGo-L for about 4 weeks now, I've decided to simplify it even further, and now it'll be a dual-coil dripping hybrid with what I hope are some cool modifications to the traditional design (currently top secret... sssshhhhh).

My goals are for it to be an attractive design, combined with bullet-proof construction, that 'just works'.
I'm so tired of fiddling with things, and I just want a mod I can pull out of my pocket and use, and not have to futz around to get it to work.

We'll see how it goes. Hopefully I'll have something put together by mid-August.

I have to agree the little parts are what drives cost and frustration levels up The simplest lockable switch design I have is only 3 pieces that needs to be turned with 4 COTS (Commercial off the shelf) pieces/parts.

Would love to see it when it is finished. I have designed and prototyped about 15 different atomizers. A couple great some so-so, and a lot crap. Just because the initial one may not work correctly you can always revise the design. Keep that in mind and don't get discouraged.
Dan

 

[fido5150]

I have to agree the little parts are what drives cost and frustration levels up The simplest lockable switch design I have is only 3 pieces that needs to be turned with 4 COTS (Commercial off the shelf) pieces/parts.

Would love to see it when it is finished. I have designed and prototyped about 15 different atomizers. A couple great some so-so, and a lot crap. Just because the initial one may not work correctly you can always revise the design. Keep that in mind and don't get discouraged.
Dan

Yep, I thought it would be a pretty easy undertaking until I had to really start thinking about how it was going to work. Then the complexity of what I was trying to do set in.

That e-machine-shop app you linked is pretty easy to learn how to use, and it's what I designed all my parts in. I'm going to do all the initial machining by hand however. I had a year's worth of machine shop back in high school, so I'll just have to dust the cobwebs off those old memories and get back to work.

Thankfully I'll be working with brass and aluminum, both which are easy to machine. I'll be putting together a home anodizing system too, since I don't want any raw aluminum in contact with juice. When I jump into something, I tend to dive in head-first, lol.

I'll definitely make sure and post pictures when I get the prototype put together. I'm hoping to put together a spill-resistant dripper, because I'm also tired of getting juice drips in my pocket with my iGo. I actually can't believe they put the air hole on the iGo directly at the lip height of the inner drip well, so any tipping of the atomizer in that direction results in immediate juice leakage.

It's been a lot of fun though, and has really taken my 'backyard engineering' to the next level.

And thanks for your input. I've read your posts with great interest and you come up with some great stuff. You always give people something else to ponder, and single-handedly spur a lot of innovative thinking.

 

[Scubabatdan]

Yep, I thought it would be a pretty easy undertaking until I had to really start thinking about how it was going to work. Then the complexity of what I was trying to do set in.

That e-machine-shop app you linked is pretty easy to learn how to use, and it's what I designed all my parts in. I'm going to do all the initial machining by hand however. I had a year's worth of machine shop back in high school, so I'll just have to dust the cobwebs off those old memories and get back to work.

Thankfully I'll be working with brass and aluminum, both which are easy to machine. I'll be putting together a home anodizing system too, since I don't want any raw aluminum in contact with juice. When I jump into something, I tend to dive in head-first, lol.

I'll definitely make sure and post pictures when I get the prototype put together. I'm hoping to put together a spill-resistant dripper, because I'm also tired of getting juice drips in my pocket with my iGo. I actually can't believe they put the air hole on the iGo directly at the lip height of the inner drip well, so any tipping of the atomizer in that direction results in immediate juice leakage.

It's been a lot of fun though, and has really taken my 'backyard engineering' to the next level.

And thanks for your input. I've read your posts with great interest and you come up with some great stuff. You always give people something else to ponder, and single-handedly spur a lot of innovative thinking.

Cool, if you are familiar with emachine shop then a neat little trick is to drop all the pieces into a file I like to call "test fit". You wont be able to look at it in 3D mode but you can look at it in 2D mode and make sure all the pieces fit for tolerances ect. Do you use revolve? That is what I use for all cylindrical parts.
Dan

 

[Pazazu]

One really cool thing you could do is, make your hybrid, then make several different types of atomizers that will fit into it. Say a genesis top cap, a dripper style top cap, and maybe some kind of Kayfun/Ithaka/Oddy/Taifun style top cap. That way people would be able to buy the battery tube AND all your different styles of atomizer top caps, and have a hybrid style vape with each kind of atomizer.

If you want I could also show you an idea for an atomizer I have in my head. I'll never have the money to make it. Its a bottom feeder, sortof like kayfun meets protank, meets innovation lol. I could draw it up for you, but if you use it, and make them, I want one free

 

[fido5150]

Cool, if you are familiar with emachine shop then a neat little trick is to drop all the pieces into a file I like to call "test fit". You wont be able to look at it in 3D mode but you can look at it in 2D mode and make sure all the pieces fit for tolerances ect. Do you use revolve? That is what I use for all cylindrical parts.
Dan

I usually only use revolve on my drip tips, since they seem to be the only parts without cross-drilling.
Well, I could probably use revolve on the battery tube as well, since it's also a concentric design, but usually I'll convert the part at the end to revolve if the app recommends it. I just find it easier to work with in standard mode for most things.

And thanks for the tip on putting all parts in one file. I'll give that a shot and see how things are shaping up.

 

[potmilkz]

break down a mod, see what components it needs then manipulate it.. make it your own style.. maybe add a few more pieces into it.. that is how i would do it.. but you really cannot move on to creating your own hybrid if you down have the concept down..