WARNING! Chocking Hazard Found Using Joye510 Carts

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Nuck

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Quite a few smokers hold the end in their mouth and some bite down on them. If a fairly typical use-case poses a choking hazard then the product is defective and should be recalled. Because this is ecigs and they are not regulated it of course won't happen. To pretend this is user error and they are somehow being 'alarmist' is just plain silly.
 

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Actually, i meant apathy, but meant to say that I have less apathy towards people... meaning lack of emotion. LOL.. did sound kind of dumb the way I wrote it, but I did mean to use that word.

Ah - gotcha :D

If people are sitting there gnawing on their carts then I can see your point. But simply holding it in your teeth is not an unacceptable action for some people to take, and thats what I did, and thats what caused it to shoot into my mouth.

We'll have to agree to disagree then - "holding" it with your teeth is.... the same as biting it if you ask me. This isn't a cigarette, you shouldn't treat it like one.

maybe you just don't see my point of view.. which is cool.

The world would be a boring place with only one PoV :D
 

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Quite a few smokers hold the end in their mouth and some bite down on them.

Smokers. Of cigarettes. With a cushy cotton filter end.

If a fairly typical use-case poses a choking hazard then the product is defective and should be recalled. Because this is ecigs and they are not regulated it of course won't happen. To pretend this is user error and they are somehow being 'alarmist' is just plain silly.

People chew on pens all the time. Yet, pens still have caps that pop out. Made by American companies, under American labels and laws.

Biting/chewing on plastic is a bad idea.

Going "OMG THIS THING WILL CHOKE YOU!!" is alarmist.
 

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Smokers. Of cigarettes. With a cushy cotton filter end.



People chew on pens all the time. Yet, pens still have caps that pop out. Made by American companies, under American labels and laws.

Biting/chewing on plastic is a bad idea.

Going "OMG THIS THING WILL CHOKE YOU!!" is alarmist.

Since the result of this flaw could quite possibly lead to death the OP obviously felt justified in his choice of language to gain attention. I get that you don't agree but the condescending tone you used to belittle him was petty.

I won't get into the obvious fallacies involved in your pen analogy.
 

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Since the result of this flaw could quite possibly lead to death

*sigh*

This is the problem right here. You want to know why I'm condescending? Posts like these are no better than the media saying e-cigs will kill you because there are traces of nitrosamines, contain chemicals used in antifreeze, etc.

Saying "The back of my cart popped off! I was holding it with my teeth/biting on it/chewing on it and it popped off - so don't chew on it." is reasonable.

I won't even touch the ridiculous tone of your posts.
 

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*sigh*

This is the problem right here. You want to know why I'm condescending? Posts like these are no better than the media saying e-cigs will kill you because there are traces of nitrosamines, contain chemicals used in antifreeze, etc.

Saying "The back of my cart popped off! I was holding it with my teeth/biting on it/chewing on it and it popped off - so don't chew on it." is reasonable.

I won't even touch the ridiculous tone of your posts.

No, the real problem is your use of straw man tactics. The media does not say e-cigs will kill you, neither has the FDA. They said there are traces of nitrosamines (which they are) and that a sample contain a chemical used in antifreeze (which it did). I have no idea how this relates to a choking hazard.

Since you refuse to accept the obvious I'll break it down a little more clearly:

-Unlike pens, ecigs are designed to be inhaled and to emulate cigarettes.

-Many smokers habitually chew on cigarettes and it is very reasonable to assume they will continue that habit with ecigs at least during the transition.

-Telling people not to chew the ecig is intentionally disingenuous. A habit is not a conscious decision. You might as well tell them not to use ecigs.

-Part of the cap apparently can come off with force and lodge in the throat causing a choking hazard when the user is using the product as intended.

-Choking can lead to death.

Hopefully this clears up why the OP might have considered it prudent to make the post stand out.
 

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Come on, yeah you can pop the end cap if you chew it, the new carts end caps don't come off as easily.

YES, they can. I had the exact same problem with my Smoking Everywhere cart. I'll post a YouTube video with a demonstration.

A little plastic cap at the end of the cart comes off.
 

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This is a valid concern, but part of an even bigger choking concern. Safety standards for many products that will be left around a house include a test on whether a three-year-old could take apart something that contained a part easily swallowed. Bingo. That's an e-cig.

How long would it take a child to pull apart some e-cigs? One of mine has a cart that literally falls out if turned upside down! A small, cig-sized e-cig would divide into battery, atomizer and cart. Of the three parts, the cart is the most dangerous to the child, since it contains poisonous nicotine (maybe not enough to kill, but surely cause a trip to the hospital). Some of those carts are pill size.

And some have filler so loose it either falls out or sticks to the atomizer when the cart is pulled out for refilling.

Government agencies will take note of that. It's an unsafe design, which is why I've argued in the past that the only design that will pass childproof muster is the single-unit disposable e-cig, like the Ruyan Jazz.

The carts have always presented a danger to children. If one rolled onto the floor and was encountered by a crawling toddler, what would happen? The first thing a small child does is put something into the mouth. If the filler contains liquid .. big problem. If the movement is unseen by a parent, even bigger problem!

If paramedics respond, how will they know what has happened? Where are warning labels? Where are ingredient lists?

E-cig design has been fatally flawed for a long time, and this has been brought up and discussed before. Manufacturers have taken token steps toward safety, yet dangerous products remain for sale. This thread is relevant, but just the tip of the danger iceberg.


Reason #1289 in favor of Birth control - Kids may choke on/poison themselves with your e-cig.
 

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I would rather at the FDA reads this and absolutely bans all e-cigs than to have one child lose his father to a stupid design that killed him while people had the power to change that design....

SLDS181, I really hope you are not the person that you are portraying on this thread.. its sad.

I hope you are not the person you are portraying on this thread... I find it sad.

I do not believe that common sense must go out the window when someone becomes a consumer.

Enough said.
 

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You know my Dad told me something once when I was a kid that I had to look up later in life before I understood it. It relates to the arguments going back and forth here...

There is a fine line between someone claming to be an Objectivist, and just going ahead and throwing the rope that is laying right beside you to the guy drowning.

- Hap
 

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There are at least two types of flat tips for the 510 and the 901 both of which will fit the 510.

The first type is the "0" style where the cartridge is round on both ends and flat on the sides. The tip is a bit wider than the other style and is firmly attached. You can get both the 510 and 901 flat tips in this style at dietsmokes - last I ordered, anyway, and I got an order of them today.

At DietSmoakes is it the ones called "DSE901 /4075 Blank Empty Cartridges" Sku:901emptycarts? Do they fit well on the 510 or are they very tight?
 

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You know my Dad told me something once when I was a kid that I had to look up later in life before I understood it. It relates to the arguments going back and forth here...

There is a fine line between someone claming to be an Objectivist, and just going ahead and throwing the rope that is laying right beside you to the guy drowning.

- Hap

Could you explain this... it sounds like a very intelligent statement, but I haven't the faculties to figure it out...lol. You did say it took you almost your entire life to this point to figure it out, so I don't feel extremely silly, but would like to skip to the end, in a manner of speaking..
 

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I nearly died last night at work from my 510. I was out on patrol puffing on my 510 when all a sudden I felt something go down my throat. I began chocking I was not able to cough it up thankfully I was able to swallow it. After I recovered and made my way back to my office I noticed a piece of the cart was missing a round disc in the mouth piece. I grabbed another cart and found it was easy to remove this disc. I'm not using this e-cig anymore I'm going back to my M401 because if it happened once it will happen again.

I write this to warn everyone of the very bad and unsafe design of these carts.
Maybe it's just your brand of carts, or one that was not machine processed correct. This is a first. And as far to say that infants can choke on a cart, or cap, that would be absolutely correct, BUT would you leave a loaded fire arm around a child? Vapor devices should be locked up, or put out of reach of children, including all juices.
 

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The first type is the "0" style where the cartridge is round on both ends and flat on the sides. The tip is a bit wider than the other style and is firmly attached.

Kent, I just got an order of these, and am looking at them right now... They do have the end piece, though unlike the round tip, they are inset into the end of the cart, as opposed to being 'capped' on. Problem is, some are set firmly, and, after trying, I can't get them out. But there is at least one that is poorly set, and it looks like it could fairly easily come off.

So - problem, IMHO. Not for me so much, because I never chewed on analogs, or even held them in my teeth, and certainly don't intend to do so with e-cigs. But it's a habit many others do have, and I'd imagine hard to get rid of. So, unless we are prepared to live strictly via Darwin, we'd better look into this, folks.

With the round tips... I have two different ones in front of me. One has a cap that I *very* easily took off. The other is completely solid, no cap at all of any kind. Problem is, they are both very used, and I can't tell which came from where.

Does anyone have solid ones, and can they advise of the source?

Also: has anyone ever contacted manufacturers regarding this problem?

And, to the OP: I am very glad you are OK. I can perfectly well understand why you were upset by this, anyone would be - a near-death experience can't help but be alarming, and frankly should be alarming to all, or most, of us...

Cheers,
Briar.
 

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Originally Posted by Briar
we are prepared to live strictly via Darwin

:thumbs::thumbs:

I'll answer that, though it's not really on-topic, so my apologies to the mods...

I realize that I expressed myself inaccurately. For human beings, natural selection includes compassion. We evolved to have compassion because that is advantageous to our survival. Humans are group-oriented critters, and therefore to a human being compassion is a necessary thing. Without it, we can't succeed as a species - we would not have succeeded as a species.

Which is why pseudo-Darwinism (and extreme individualism, quite possibly) are not scientifically justified as desirable in a human being - and probably may be considered unethical for that matter.

Compassion is a virtue, even if it may be occasionally misplaced or overdone. For my part, I'd rather not do without it in any context whatsoever.

In this case, extra warning labels, or extra manufacturing precaution, or an alarmed message, take absolutely nothing away from me, but may save someone's life. A well-made bargain, IMHO.

No offense intended - simply my opinion.

Briar.
 

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In this case, extra warning labels, or extra manufacturing precaution, or an alarmed message, take absolutely nothing away from me, but may save someone's life. A well-made bargain, IMHO.

No offense taken. And where appropriate, a warning label, or extra precaution, is entirely appropriate.

I do not feel, in the slightest, that its appropriate here. Thats all, my opinion is this is an exaggeration.
 
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