Warning: may crack your tank! What does it do to lungs?

[Stiles2]

I have ordered juices with warnings before, mainly cinnamons that come with a warning. I always mostly ignored the warning because I never had a poly tank crack/warp/melt before while using these juices.

Recently I finally got a juice, with a warning, that DID in fact damage the tank. It was nothing grand like a crack but it warped, tasted "off" and when I noticed the taste being a bit weird I took it apart only to notice the plastic drip tip partially melted/liquified in the catch cup. This was a new one for me and I was like "Holy sheet!". I wish I took pictures at the time...grrr.

So I chucked that tank and tip and put it in glass and steel. Unsurprisingly, all tastes fine again. I have since taken the flavour out of my rotation though although I did quite enjoy the taste and find it to be a solid juice other than the seemingly caustic nature of it.

My question to you guys (yes, I know you are all doctors and medical professionals haha) is: Do you think these type juices are wise to vape? My lungs haven't liquified to my knowledge but I have stopped vaping that flavour. The sight of all that melted plastic left me a bit scarred to be honest.

 

[Talyon]

Yep some cinnamon and citrus liquids can indeed damage tanks, ergo the need for Pyrex.

Some vendors don't sell cinnamon anymore just in case. Also some caramels are being tested as we speak, as are some other components.

We should have a better understanding on his matter in a few months, once the testing has been completed etc.....

For me I continue to Vape these, until my liquid is gone, I just won't order anymore in the mean time.

 

[Stiles2]

Interesting. I haven't heard about caramels potentially being an issue.

Oh well, we are all guinea pigs and pioneers of sorts at this point

 

[Nermal]

I'm not reluctant to vape the stuff at all, but if were in a polycarbonate tank and I saw signs of a reaction, I would toss it. The juice might be safe to vape, but whatever is produced by the reaction is too big a stretch for me.

 

[Strangebrew]

no worry, we come in contact with much during our life. Some one concerned over getting in shape runs along the busy road, sucking the fumes deep within your lungs? True health nut!

 

[Tajji'smom]

What flavour was it??

 

[Stiles2]

cinnamon/mint

 

[Glenn_K]

Interesting point, but I love cinnamon, and have been eating it for years without any apparent damage to my stomach. The same thing about acidic fruit, which I eat in great quantities. Why would e-liquid made from these substances do any worse damage to my lungs (which obviously are not made of plastic)?

Google the health risks associated with cinnamon, and see if there's anything there to alarm you. I certainly didn't.

-- Glenn

PS: A couple days ago I found a vendor selling cinnamon-heart-flavoured e-liquid; can't wait to try it.

...My question to you guys (yes, I know you are all doctors and medical professionals haha) is: Do you think these type juices are wise to vape? My lungs haven't liquified to my knowledge but I have stopped vaping that flavour. The sight of all that melted plastic left me a bit scarred to be honest.

 

[Dougiestyle]

It's not any greater risk to vape tank-crackers than any other e-liquid. The chemical reaction that causes issues with some plastics is due to esters that are produced between the chemicals that make the plastic/poly and the e-liquid. Unless you have plastic/poly lungs and organs, you'll be OK. DO NOT continue to vape a liquid from a tank that has sustained damage from contact. What's left in the bottle is OK, just pitch what was contaminated by the chemical reaction in the tank.

 

[Stiles2]

Oh no, I didn't try and salvage the ~3ml of juice, chucked it immediately

 

[retired1]

Ever see what some sodas do to metal? Considering the average, per person consumption in North America ranges from 120 litres (Canada) to 216 litres (US), don't see too many who are worried about what it does to your innards.

 

[Talyon]

Put a nail is a glass of coke, see what u get in a week.

Just because it's approved doesn't mean it's the best for yah.

1 week coffee is bad the next tomatoes etc etc....

Vape On no worries.

Still way way way 7000 times better then analogs.

 

[Talyon]

Interesting. I haven't heard about caramels potentially being an issue.

Oh well, we are all guinea pigs and pioneers of sorts at this point

Google California bans, and you can find this info on ECF, news forums. Some chemicals in some caramels were banned.

 

[Myk]

They're probably destroying all the plastic fumes I've inhaled into my lungs.

I wonder more about what those liquids take from the plastic and put into my lungs.

 

[Kagey K]

The difference between those tanks and your lungs is your lungs can expel the harmful stuff, while the plastic has to sit and absorb it. When you eat a cinnamon heart you suck and taste it, but every time you breathe some of it is inhaled, our breath is why food can taste so good sometimes.

It is a cross between tasting it on your your tongue and breathing it in while eating. That is why they are called Aromatics. If you put a decent curry sauce in one of your tanks I'm sure it would explode very quickly, but since our lungs are not a sturdy piece of plastic we are able to take them in and exhale at our leisure, or bodily command whichever comes first.

I'm not saying it's 100 safe but it is much safer then it is in the tank. Our lungs aren't cracking and breaking because of the intensity of the flavours I don't think, and I really do see it just as eating a Cinnamon Heart while also breathing.

 

[Heavyrocker]

If you have plastic lungs,you may have a problem.BTW...Eating raw lemons will strip the enamel of your teeth but it wont hurt your flesh.

 

[440BB]

I guess we all rationalized smoking for so long that it's easy to be flippant about potential harm, but crappy stuff goes through your digestive tract, instead of sitting in your lungs waiting to hopefully be expelled.

My lungs are far from healthy, and part of why I started vaping was to get them healthier. It seems like a safer route to me to avoid liquids that cause damage to polycarbonate. There are many things I eat that I wouldn't inhale.

 

[684Alpha]

Hey Guys, I just wanted to throw my 2 cents in on this one, I'm not a Dr. but I do play one on TV . However, I am a paramedic, perhaps giving me a slightly more anatomical knowledge than the average bear (maybe).

**Please keep in mind this is only my opinion**

I find this subject very interesting. Even the whole debate about the health effects of vaping in general. I think it is important to consider that we are inhaling these liquids not eating/ swallowing them (a fact that I think this is often missed in these discussions), it's great that the majority of eliquid manufactures are self adopting a standard of FDA approved food products (however I personally believe and would be willing to pay for, working toward pharmaceutical grade ingredients and lab standards, to insure greater safety (no, cigarettes were/are not made to either of these standards).

The cellular makeup of the lungs are VERY different from the that of the stomach. The stomach and intestines naturally contain and produce these acids, similar to that of the acids in citruses and juices or foods we eat/ drink, and stomach and digestive system are biologically designed to contain them.
However these acids are not contained within the airways and or lungs (and I think would do damage of some sort). The lungs are very sensitive to liquids or foreign objects that are not produced within them.
For example, many of you, have probably choked on something as simple and benign as water, when simply trying to drink and breathe at the same time (he he he, I know I have).
Another example and perhaps more appropriate for this discussion, that comes to mind at the moment, is Aspiration Pneumonia, simply put, is an infection or inflammation of the bronchial tree/ airway, caused by a forging object/ liquid, even your own saliva. It is a condition that occurs often when a person is drunk and vomits (I use this as an example as vomit is very acidic and comes from the stomach) then inhales a portion of the vomit (gross I know), but it occurs quite a bit.
Often times, if the person is conscious enough that they still have something of a gag reflex that causes them to choke (a natural reaction that stops them from drowning in their vomit or allowing a large amount of the vomit/ foreign object to enter the airway) they can still end up inhaling a small (even a minute amount) of the foreign substance, possibly then causing them to become critically ill, and even causing death.

Now I'm not saying that we are instantly going to die from vaping these citrus or cinnamon eliquids, or any eliquids for that matter, obviously we would have seen that by now. I do think we should take into account that the lungs are WAY more sensitive to these vapors than some of us may want to consider. Also consider that we are truly in our infancy as far as research of the health effects of vaping go.
I also bekieve that continuing to vape an eliquid in a tank that has been affected (cracking, crazing, fogging, warping) by any eliquid, would then be exposing ourselves to chemicals as bad or worse than smoking (we've all heard about water bottles or bpa), although in lesser quantities. Another thing that I believe we may want to consider as vapers, is that most of the research (at least that I've seen) so far has been done by cardiologists and air quality experts (air quality being considerably more relevant). I would love to see, and would personally find it far more relevant, to see some studies from pulmonologists (specialist Dr's of the lungs).

Now all that being said, considering what we already know, YES absolutely, vaping is FAR safer that the 3000+ chemicals we (former smokers) were inhaling. But to truly say vaping is absolutely "Safe" I believe is a fallacy. I think we all need to decide what level of safety we are comfortable with.

Now my personal feeling is VAPE ON!!!. If it keeps us from analogs it is a damn good thing. I personally plan to taper off the vape, eventually as well, but for the next 6 months to a year, I'm going to be killing batteries like they are going out of style .

I hope this helps

 

[Talyon]

3000 chemicals in cigarettes is a way old number mate, we can now detect over 7000 this info is on ECF.

I'm also saying that 15 million Vapers world wide are still alive and Vapeing blissfully all the thousands of flavors available. Some for several years now.

Don't forget Vapeing molecules are way bigger then smoke etc, so the effect they have on your lungs is negligible.

There's also studies being done as we speak, on lots of flavors from lots of vendors, paid for by me and the Vapeing community in donations. I'm not sure when the results will be made public but keep an eye out on the news forums for the latest info.

I'll also conclude that we have the technology and do not require 40-50 years figuring out if a chemical will kill or hurt us, I believe many studies have been done to know what is good and what is bad, perhaps not all or even combos for that matter, but we are way ahead here in these matters, then some would have you believe.


Just an aside, this post is not aimed at any other in this thread, and I for one never intend to quit Vapeing. I enjoy my little Freedom that my Dad fought and died for me to have.

 

[Kagey K]

**Please keep in mind this is only my opinion**

Now all that being said, considering what we already know, YES absolutely, vaping is FAR safer that the 3000+ chemicals we (former smokers) were inhaling. But to truly say vaping is absolutely "Safe" I believe is a fallacy. I think we all need to decide what level of safety we are comfortable with.

Now my personal feeling is VAPE ON!!!. If it keeps us from analogs it is a damn good thing. I personally plan to taper off the vape, eventually as well, but for the next 6 months to a year, I'm going to be killing batteries like they are going out of style .

I hope this helps

I agree with much of what you said but this part stands out to me the most. Using a condom is safer, but it's not safe. Safe is abstinence.

Vaping in my option is safer but it's still not safe. Safe is not smoking or vaping, or using any of the nicotine replacement therapies out there today.



There are always going to be things we do that come with risks, but if we do what we can to mitigate those risks then we are better, healthier people for it.

Or we could just be out riding everything bareback while smoking a carton a day and hoping for the best. I prefer my safer to taking no steps at all.