I wouldnt recommend the abrasive removal of the clear coat, but instead, remove all plastic/rubber parts and do a soak in acetone to remove the clear... caution!! acetone will destroy the plastic/rubber you have been warned/notified 
Warning: some copper no logo Nemesis clone parts are copper plated steel. VapeRoyalty is in discussions with the manufacturer on a solution.
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DukeSilver, I am really not too upset overall. I realize that I bought a cheap knock-off clone, I rolled the dice. I am not overly concerned as long as I can get it to work! If it works as advertised, then I am happy. I can deal with the odd tarnish patterns.
Would I order from VR again....probably, but only after doing some research and checking threads here to see what people say about the purchases.
I have to admit, they do have some really good prices. I can't comment on the customer service as I have not engaged them as of yet. Judging from what I have read on this thread and a few others, they do have good customer service. I just can't help feeling a bad taste in my mouth though over this. I know, stuff happens, but I still think they should have been way more open to those who purchased them and at least send a version of the email as posted above in post #39. If I had received an email giving me a heads up with an apology, I would be singing them praises. It just seems like they knew the problem, sold off all the stock hoping that no one would notice or complain on ECF. Now their creditability has been compromised, and it did not have to go this way. Live and learn I guess.
Now, I would not go out of my way to recommend them, but I would not tell someone not to purchase from them...yet. I would just caution a person to do the research on both the site and threads like this one before committing to a purchase.
Hopefully all the gear I ordered from them is functioning with no issues.
I pretty much feel the same as deepsix, its left me feeling a bit sour. I still dont buy the chemical reaction excuse. After examining mine closer, im almost positive what others have said about copper plated nickel plated copper is true. Why? Because in a few spot I've noticed little chiped spots where the plateing was thicker. This is not a characteristic of a chemical reation. I beleive some people are just more rough with their mods including myself as i work in construction. Its really only a matter of time before all thousand of them wear the top coat of copper off.
With that said i think vaperoyalty is being a little gullible and shouldn't even be considering ever ordering from that manufacturer again. The people who got burned are the customers, the manufacturer made a profit and vaperoyalty is even still entertaining the idea of doing repeat business with them. Vaperoyalty made a profit, small or not...still a profit. Who got burned and now have to spend more money to get what we thought we were going to get? Us the customers who received a BS excuse and a sorry about your bad luck. But thanks for your money and please buy more of our stuff.
With that said i think vaperoyalty is being a little gullible and shouldn't even be considering ever ordering from that manufacturer again. The people who got burned are the customers, the manufacturer made a profit and vaperoyalty is even still entertaining the idea of doing repeat business with them. Vaperoyalty made a profit, small or not...still a profit. Who got burned and now have to spend more money to get what we thought we were going to get? Us the customers who received a BS excuse and a sorry about your bad luck. But thanks for your money and please buy more of our stuff.
I love it!! I mixed it with my SS nemesis, it is
Sorry for posting from this new account. I somehow locked out my old account so now I had to make a new one. I too got a copper neme (logo free) from Vape Royalty however mine hasn't turned silver at all. But even if one day it turns silver, the way I see it is... it was $29.99. If we all bought them from FT we'd prob all have waited over a month watching the 'restocking status' even if they turned pink we'd all be like whatever, it was cheap! We bought them at FT prices and for me, I got mine in my mailbox the next day after I ordered it given I'm also in SoCal but point being made, we tend to bash our fellow US vendors who are vapers themselves yet cut slack for the Chinese vendors like FT who could care less about our community and who are trying to make a fast buck on us. All this is doing is just asking for the FDA to see all these issues everyone is having when in reality I think some people are just a little dramatic over things that aren't really a big deal and next thing we know ecigs are all regulated or banned and we all get to buy from FT for good.
And as far as VR goes, I'm guessing they don't know what to do at this point. We bought copper nemesis mod, they proven they've given us copper nemesis mods sooo...idk, was else can they do? Maybe they should have sent out 1000 apologies to all of us but what would that do? Open a huge can of worms for the people who like me who don't have a silver neme?! Lol Not really solving anything. All we can do is accept its a $29.99 clone and the end of the day it still hits hard and I still love it no matter what color it turns. Half of my clones I drop and scratch up anyways so freckled or not if it's still copper then I got what I paid for. Just my 3 cents even though I know none of us asked for it
And as far as VR goes, I'm guessing they don't know what to do at this point. We bought copper nemesis mod, they proven they've given us copper nemesis mods sooo...idk, was else can they do? Maybe they should have sent out 1000 apologies to all of us but what would that do? Open a huge can of worms for the people who like me who don't have a silver neme?! Lol Not really solving anything. All we can do is accept its a $29.99 clone and the end of the day it still hits hard and I still love it no matter what color it turns. Half of my clones I drop and scratch up anyways so freckled or not if it's still copper then I got what I paid for. Just my 3 cents even though I know none of us asked for it
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So I got the same email as was posted here... Sounds like they do not know what they're talking about...
Chemical reaction causing this? Ha! I knew my zinc sulfate hand cream was a bad idea... Anyone more informed with chemistry, please help me write up a way to describe how silly this is to VR... 21st century and I have to deal with alchemy excuses.
It is clear that there's a different metal in these tubes, and that the outer layer of copper is rubbing off. From the picture of the scratch test, it appears that this might be a copper tube, coated in nickel, then coated in copper again, and that the copper is wearing off... How do I now fix this problem? I would rather have a consistent look to my mod, not light-copper/dark-copper/silver-blotches/light-copper/dark-copper, as my mod currently is. Do I need to sand down the entire exterior to get through the nickel?
I understand that VR sold this at a slim margin, and is not in a position to take a loss on all these mods, but I also don't feel like I got what I paid for... I just wanted a uniform, 100% copper mod, that was all made out of the same material.
The mod does work very well, so I can't say I deserve a full refund, but some sort of credit towards another purchase would work for me. What do you think this trouble is worth? $5? $10? I realize they probably only made about $5 per mod, if that, but I spent $30 on something did not turn out as advertised. 100% copper does not mean there's a layer of nickel in the middle.
Chemical reaction causing this? Ha! I knew my zinc sulfate hand cream was a bad idea... Anyone more informed with chemistry, please help me write up a way to describe how silly this is to VR... 21st century and I have to deal with alchemy excuses.
It is clear that there's a different metal in these tubes, and that the outer layer of copper is rubbing off. From the picture of the scratch test, it appears that this might be a copper tube, coated in nickel, then coated in copper again, and that the copper is wearing off... How do I now fix this problem? I would rather have a consistent look to my mod, not light-copper/dark-copper/silver-blotches/light-copper/dark-copper, as my mod currently is. Do I need to sand down the entire exterior to get through the nickel?
I understand that VR sold this at a slim margin, and is not in a position to take a loss on all these mods, but I also don't feel like I got what I paid for... I just wanted a uniform, 100% copper mod, that was all made out of the same material.
The mod does work very well, so I can't say I deserve a full refund, but some sort of credit towards another purchase would work for me. What do you think this trouble is worth? $5? $10? I realize they probably only made about $5 per mod, if that, but I spent $30 on something did not turn out as advertised. 100% copper does not mean there's a layer of nickel in the middle.
Here's what I ended up sending over to VR. Hopefully this will help them deal with the situation.
I really do understand that you guys are trying to do the right thing. You sold these at a great price, and tried to get your customers a great deal. No animosity toward you all whatsoever. I like you guys, and will continue to order from you in the future. That said, allow me a paragraph to correct you in a slightly formal tone, no hard feelings
You need to make sure that you understand what you're saying, and that it is an extremely incorrect and uninformed statement. Stating that this is a chemical reaction causing the copper to change is completely wrong, and you should stop telling this to your customers. The only way to achieve this affect with copper, is to chemically cause zinc to bond with copper. This requires dissolving zinc sulfate in water, or dissolving zinc chloride in hydrochloric acid, then heating this solution to a boil and submerging clean and exposed copper for up to 10 minutes. To claim that the natural oils in skin, or tap water in people's areas, is causing this reaction (just on certain sections of tubes), is completely misinformed.
Back to my normal, nice self now
So originally we thought this might be steel plated in copper. The scratch test you linked to shows that there is copper under the silver colored metal. It is safe to assume that this mod is primarily copper metal. The more likely explanation for this, is that the copper tubing was plated in nickel, and then plated in copper with a clear coat. This may be done to provide a more rigid and durable foundation for the copper coating and clear-coat. Unfortunately, the clear-coat and copper plating a worn off faster than was expected, and given the use of this copper tube (not just pretty piping), it should not have been sourced for this mod. The manufacturer did not perform this process, they simply purchased copper tubes that are meant to stay shiny. The people that made this tube most likely did not intend it to be handled on a daily basis, so there was no need for such a durable clear-coat or copper coating.
So we know that this mod is not 100% copper. The silver colored metal you see (nickel) is not formed by a chemical reaction, or deposited on the copper from an exterior source. This is metal that was underneath the copper surface the whole time, and it is not copper.
I also know that this mod is performing very well, like a copper mod should, and that you sold this at a great price. Besides the appearance of this mod, it is exactly what I wanted when I ordered it.
This also is not your fault, and the manufacturer is not even 100% to blame. Whoever sold the manufacturer this copper tubing should have known that it would not hold up to daily handling.
I wouldnt recommend the abrasive removal of the clear coat, but instead, remove all plastic/rubber parts and do a soak in acetone to remove the clear... caution!! acetone will destroy the plastic/rubber you have been warned/notified
If this mod is actually copper, with a layer of nickel, then a layer of copper with a clear-coat on top, will soaking in acentone do anything more than removing the clear coat? I am think that for this mod to look normal, and be 100% copper, that the clear-coat, copper layer, and nickel layer will need to be removed...
I think it really depends. If it is a chemical reaction, then in theory, it the color would bond itself or turn the copper a silver color so acetone ma or may not work. Lookup the penny thing on how to turn copper silver. Chemical reactions can happen. I'm no chemist lol so I can't really say if the clear coat/ chemical reaction thing is true or not.
I think VR, just like all of us, doesn't know how to fix or remove the silver color because we all don't know how deep the silver is/ how many layers are effected by the chemical reaction or plating or whatever it is. Hell we don't even know if it's nickel for sure so how should we know how to remove it?!
From the scratch test picture the silver looks like a super thin layer though.
So I did some research by calling up some people I know who work a lot with metals. Nickel plating is commonly applied very thinly to copper to prevent the copper from corroding. Corrosion of copper inhibits hear transfer and conductivity so if our copper Nemes have nickel plating, the manufacture probably put it there to prevent the mod from crapping out on us one day and probably the clear coat was to prevent the outer copper layer from stripping, thus exposing the nickel which it sounds like for some of us is still happening due to the clear coat being such a thin layer. Usually the nickel is so thin when it's applied to copper that it won't effect the performance of the copper. So it's more of a cosmetic thing if we remove the nickel plating. But hopefully removing all the nickel, if it is nickel, won't do more harm than good for the future of our mods.
There are quite a few copper mods out there, high end authentic that people pay $100-$200 for. I wonder if they have a layer of nickel in their mod... I have a feeling this was all for the durability of shiny, which clearly failed. I realize copper will tarnish, but if I just sand down through the nickel, how would it be any different than a copper tube used in the penny mod, or a pegasus, or any other fancy copper mod?
I get that there are different qualities of copper, but at this point, I just want to get rid of the nickel...
Also, see my previous reply about the "chemical reaction" reasoning. It takes zinc sulfate, at a boiling temperature, 10 minutes to bond with clean copper. This is just the outer copper layer wearing away.
Well i finally got a response back from Vaperoyalty
Thank you for your picture. We've been going back and forth with the manufacture for a few days and finally got some clarity on the logo-free Copper Nemesis mods. This has been a long and draining process which we were very upset with as we were very scared that we were not only given incorrect information that we passed along to our customers like you and lead you to believe they were in fact 100% copper instead of copper plated, buy also we were afraid we just way overpaid for extremely expensive copper plated silver Nemesis Mods. The logo-free copper Nemesis mods were never supposed to be a money maker for us. Like all of our products, we offer them right around cost because we genuinely care about our customers and want everyone to be able to afford a copper Nemesis or a copper mod in general. The logo-frees were by far the slimmest margin out of any products we offered though and due to our ultra-cheap price we sold out of a thousand of them in about a week..
Back to what we found out. The manufacture added a very thin clear coat to the logo-free Copper Nemesis mods when they made them to help slow down the oxidation process of the copper. Now here is the strange part, there is something to do with the heat and chemical reaction causing the clear coat to turn the mod silver over time. We are not chemists here although with times like these we'd love to have one working for us, but for whatever reason, although they are turning silver, they are in fact 100% copper. With the help of one of our customers who was also determined to figure out the truth, we did a scratch test on the silver area on one of our customer's logo free copper nemesis and BAM, there's copper underneath confirming they are in fact genuine copper mods. While the silver is annoying and me owning a copper nemesis (logo-free) personally as I'm tying to you and vaping on it right now, I'm still scared mine will eventually turn silver in spots as well. I've had mine before we even put them up on the website and haven't had an issue. We haven't even gotten that many people reporting the silver issue either so it seems like some are having this reaction and others aren't. I'm not sure if different states have different water, or the customers having these issues have a different body chemistry or what, but we did confirm with 1 lab after about an hour on the phone with them that certain chemicals reactions with this clear coat can occur and it really depends on who owns them (whatever that means.) So to answer your question, yes they are 100% copper and I did attach the scratch test picture which is crazy to try to understand it all, but the reason why they hit this hard is because they are copper and not copper plated
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It is very unfortunate that more companies like this don't exist that go out of their way to ensure the customer is completely satisfied even long after their business is "completed" with the customer. But in so i'm certain I will make sure they are one of the first places I go to make any vape purchases in the future.
I happen to chain sub-ohm vape so 10 minutes of boiling point heat is the norm for me lol
I think the manufacture probably wanted the majority of metal in the inside of the mod which is where it counts the most. I do think if it has nickel it most likely to reinforce the copper so it doesn't corrode. I'm guessing with the higher end mods they do the same thing or else you'd have a soft flimsy mod. But they must have some other way to protect the outside copper plating over the nickel so it doesn't come off. Maybe that some other way is more expensive though?? Idk. And maybe I'm completely off on all of this but I do recal someone saying that most genuine mods they do add nickel over the copper then copper plate it again. But I don't think it's to make the outside finish better. I think copper is soft so nickel strengthen copper and like is said nickel prevents it from corroding which copper does fast which kills all conductivity.
I do think, however, removing the nickel is prob not the best idea. If they added nickel to these copper Nemes I don't think manufacture would be so nice to go out of their way to add nickel for fun. I'm assuming they did it for a reason like I stated earlier but again, I'm not expert. But unless you put a clear wrap over it after you remove the nickel I think it's best as is. What it really comes down to is do you want a well performing mod or a pretty one that will .... out on you one day because the copper on the inside corroded? Either way, it was $29 bucks so we could experiment without taking a huge loss. And I tried acetone. It's a no go but it actually removed all the tarnishing off the copper that not even polishing was able to remove lol. But mine isn't silver so maybe that played a part in it too but now it's super shiny. Don't you just love trying new things?
Yeah I've asked them a few questions before on new products and random things in the past. I've always had good experiences with them which is why I'm not upset they didn't say send us apology emails on the copper Nemes. Plus, I'm a big girl, I don't need people telling me their sorry. I mean get real people. Does McDonalds email you voluntarily saying their sorry you might have bought cold fries from us? I don't think so. I've bought a lot of .... online in the past and it was .... and not 1 sorry email did I get lol. I think ppl expect too much. Especially on super small investments. We bought what we thought are copper mods and guess what? They gave us copper mods. They're trying to do the right thing when they didn't do anything wrong IMO.
From what I have seen people post of their replies it sounds like they're putting in a lot of effort considering the small dollar price and profit they made. It probably costs them more than the profit they made having to pay CSRs OT to reply 10 times to everyone's long ... emails.
For 29 bucks a pop I'll take 2 pleaseI've got a 100% Gold watchs for sale would anyone like to buy one!!! Dont mind the silver metal, its still gold i promise. No refunds exchanges or returns though. But I'll send you a mass email if your not happy
At this point, rather than trying to remove the nickel, you ought to try replating the Nemesis. It's not all that hard to plate something in copper.
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