What am I doing wrong?

[kingdal]

Hi all

Long time reonaut here with a question that's been bugging me ever since I got my reos. Seems like everyone says that using a reo is like dripping but with the tank built in. My problem is that, compared to dripping, I've always gotten a muted flavor from my reos. I've played with all kinds of builds and currently use microcoils with cotton in the 0.9 to 1.2 ohm range. I've had the coils high and I've had them low. Thin cotton, dense cotton. 27g Kanthal to 30g Kanthal. RM2 and Hornet.

I want to like these reos but I just can't get them to taste like my drippers. The flavor always ends up muted. Can anyone help me out?

TIA

 

[BlueSnake]

It's all about the positioning of the coil and airflow. The coil should be pretty close to the air hole, but not so close that it touches the cap or restricts airflow. The coil usually is positioned between 1 to 2mm off the deck. Low in position to the hole usually means smooth and higher should create more TH so you can adjust it to your taste.

I don't like cotton so I have used silica and am now using ceramic wick, the xc-116, 2mm wicking.

 

[NicLiq]

I'm sure you're not doing anything wrong, you just like the taste better on an atty.

I may be way off, so forgive me, but what resistance did you drip at? If it was 1.7 to 2.0, then I'd build that resistance on 30 gauge.

 

[Justice]

Coil position as has been said and make sure your not flooding too much

 

[Filthy-Beast]

Post a pic of your coil and wick. did open the air hole or is it stock? You know you can run a regular atomizer on the Reo, you just might prefer the tiny chamber and smaller air flow.

 

[GreatestUnKnown]

We are here to help.

Bear with me REOville, have you tried dripping on your REO?
(Blasphemy! I know..but there is a rhyme to the reason.)

I am just trying to determine if you are getting muted flavor from build/air hole alignment/wicking issues or from cooked e-liquid.

After you try dripping that RM2 we could use some pics to help if need be.

GL!

 

[Big Hitter]

Do you use RBA drippers .... if so what ones?

If you can build them to taste then it should be the very same.

 

[kingdal]

Thanks to everyone who replied! I'll try and answer all the questions.

I try to build the coil right next to the air hole, both in terms of distance from the posts and height off the deck. Sometimes I don't get quite right up to it but its probably a millimeter's difference. The airhole itself is at 1.2mm just because I like a tighter draw. Maybe its too small?

When I drip, I'll do a dual coil at 0.6 ohms or a single coil at 0.8 on a mech. Or 2.2 ohms on a VW device. I've used all kinds of drippers. The ones in my rotation today are the Atomic and Origen for duals, and the Cyclones for single coils. For the Reo, I'm switching between the RM2 and Hornet, trying to figure out which I like better. So far, its neither, unfortunately.

I haven't tried dripping on the RM2 although that's a really interesting thought. I'm going to try that first chance I get. I'm a little curious about the possibility that dripping and squonking would give a different flavor. Aren't they the same as squonking, in terms of saturating the coil and wick?

I will post a picture of my coil here, as soon as I figure out how

Sorry guys, i dont know how to do the multi-quote thing either.

Thanks!

 

[kingdal]

Right here's the picture

 

[Filthy-Beast]

Thanks to everyone who replied! I'll try and answer all the questions.

I try to build the coil right next to the air hole, both in terms of distance from the posts and height off the deck. Sometimes I don't get quite right up to it but its probably a millimeter's difference. The airhole itself is at 1.2mm just because I like a tighter draw. Maybe its too small?

When I drip, I'll do a dual coil at 0.6 ohms or a single coil at 0.8 on a mech. Or 2.2 ohms on a VW device. I've used all kinds of drippers. The ones in my rotation today are the Atomic and Origen for duals, and the Cyclones for single coils. For the Reo, I'm switching between the RM2 and Hornet, trying to figure out which I like better. So far, its neither, unfortunately.

I haven't tried dripping on the RM2 although that's a really interesting thought. I'm going to try that first chance I get. I'm a little curious about the possibility that dripping and squonking would give a different flavor. Aren't they the same as squonking, in terms of saturating the coil and wick?

I will post a picture of my coil here, as soon as I figure out how

Sorry guys, i dont know how to do the multi-quote thing either.

Thanks!

Well I'd say if you're used to dripping a .6 to .8 coil on a good mechanical with low voltage drop you need to lower the ohm of the coils you're running on the Reo. To go below .65 to .7 ohms you'll either need to wait for the sub ohm kit or do the fuse mod on a Grand.

for multi quote: IF you want to quote three posts, On the 1st two click the little box with quote marks and the + just to the right of "Reply with Quote". then on the last one click "reply with Quote"

 

[kingdal]

Thanks for the tip on the mulit-quote filthy

I wish the problem was just the resistance but on a 2.2 ohm coil using a VW mod, i vape at 9-9.5 watts. I like both the mechs and the VW, so long as the flavor comes through

Although, I am stalking Rob's site for the sub ohm kit lol

 

[Filthy-Beast]

When you break it down a Reo is nothing more than a battery that bottom feeds. Your VV device is running at 9.5 watts. The coils you are running on the Reo, guesstimating the effects or voltage drop are running a little hotter. If the cyclone is a regular without AFC it will work on the Reo, have you tried that.

Also have you given the Reo a good cleaning, Filed the pin and put noalox on the contacts?

 

[swamijivan]

Post a pic of your coil and wick. did open the air hole or is it stock? You know you can run a regular atomizer on the Reo, you just might prefer the tiny chamber and smaller air flow.

I agree with FB.. I vape a Chalice that has a little chamber compared to most RBA and a tight airflow; I found it very similar to my starting dripping experience.

 

[The Yeti]

Right here's the picture


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That coil is way too close to the deck for my tastes. Push it up until it's level with the tops of the screw heads, that's where I prefer it with my juice (YMMV).

 

[kingdal]

hey FB I get what you're saying. I'm just traveling and dont have access to my reo and other atties right now but I will try it when I get home.

Help me think this through. If a regular atty (same resistance) doesn't perform any better than the RM2, then I probably need to clean my mod, right? But if that atty does better than the RM2, then presumably I have a problem with the RM2. In that case, are there some specific things I should be looking at?

 

[kingdal]

I've never seen a Chalice in person but I do use a Hornet, which in my eyes looks to have a pretty small chamber. Does that count?

What I haven't tried is dripping on that Hornet on a reo. Time to try that!

 

[supertrunker]

Thanks for the tip on the mulit-quote filthy

I wish the problem was just the resistance but on a 2.2 ohm coil using a VW mod, i vape at 9-9.5 watts. I like both the mechs and the VW, so long as the flavor comes through

Although, I am stalking Rob's site for the sub ohm kit lol

You're not alone in that!

T

 

[Filthy-Beast]

When you break it down to basics. Flavor is affected by ohms, coil size, air flow amount and location, chamber size and voltage delivered.

Remove all variables but one. If dripping on the same coil in the same atty or RBA gives a different flavor on the Reo then the only difference is voltage. Probably a higher voltage drop on the Reo. So lower the ohms keep coil placement the same until you hit the sweet spot.

After you get it dialed in add squonking.

For a new RBA. keep changing only one thing until you get that to it's best. ie: changing coil height until the flavor is the best. then start playing with coil distance from the airhole to see if you can make the flavor better. Then start changing the ohm of coil etc. Only playing with one variable at a time.

 

[kingdal]

When you break it down to basics. Flavor is affected by ohms, coil size, air flow amount and location, chamber size and voltage delivered.

Remove all variables but one. If dripping on the same coil in the same atty or RBA gives a different flavor on the Reo then the only difference is voltage. Probably a higher voltage drop on the Reo. So lower the ohms keep coil placement the same until you hit the sweet spot.

After you get it dialed in add squonking.

For a new RBA. keep changing only one thing until you get that to it's best. ie: changing coil height until the flavor is the best. then start playing with coil distance from the airhole to see if you can make the flavor better. Then start changing the ohm of coil etc. Only playing with one variable at a time.

That makes a lot of sense. Great advice! Thank you

 

[kingdal]

Here's a question: same atty (Hornet), same wick and coil (1 ohm), same reo, same battery. I squonked and vaped till the wick was dry, then I immediately dripped.

The flavor really comes out cleaner and fuller when I dripped. Where is the difference coming from? When I squonk, I do it till it the coil gets coated and when I let go, most of the juice gets sucked back down, leaving a small pool on the atty deck. Am I doing it wrong?

Help me wrap my head around this. What could account for the difference?