What and how much would I buy for a 40-year supply?

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GreekLion

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I use a ProVari and am open to any type of atty/carto/rba and liquid, unless it is 24mg. Here is the question:

I want to stock up for the long term and not have to buy again. I want to know what and how much to buy of everything necessary to be completely self-sufficient e-cig wise for 40 years or more.

For this question, there is no budget restriction. What to buy, how much, and total price?
 

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40 years is unrealistic - just look at the batteries from 40 years ago to today... most of what we use didn't exist.

Some storage tips from Battery University:

Simple Guidelines for Storing Batteries
•Primary batteries store well. Alkaline and primary lithium batteries can be stored for 10 years with moderate loss capacity.

•Remove battery from the equipment and store in a dry and cool place.

•Avoid freezing. Batteries freeze more easily if in discharged state.

•Charge lead acid before storing and monitor the voltage or specific gravity frequently; apply a boost if below 2.10V/cell or an SG below 1.225.

•Nickel-based batteries can be stored for five years and longer, even at zero voltage; prime before use.

•Lithium-ion must be stored in a charged state, ideally 40 percent. This assures that the battery will not drop below 2.50V/cell with self-discharge and fall asleep.

•Discard Li-ion if the voltage has stayed below 2.00/V/cell for more than a week.

Learn how to make a box mod. Learn how to build atomizers. Learn DIY ejuices. - that knowledge would help you in the case of any design/hardware changes...

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Eliquids - most have a shelf life stated by DOW chemical which makes a lot of the PG and VG as 18-24 months. Your blends, nic base and flavoring bases are in part either PG or VG or both. I have some ejuice that has lasted over 2 years that vapes fine right now, but some loses flavor and vapor production. It won't kill you, it just goes 'flat'... but you're better off vaping it before the 2 year mark.

Atomizers would likely hold up the longest but even they need to be kept 'wet' with PG or VG... so you'd have to reprime them after 18 to 24 months.
 

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Uhm ... yeah. I'm crazy and have OCD too, with a refrigerator full of juice for Teh Apocalypse. And some indestructible all mechanical mods, and provaris. But seriously, take a look at what you're vaping with right now, compare it to a few years ago, factor in how fast tech in the e-cig industry is evolving, and... realize that you're really not gonna want any of your stuff 4 years from now, much less 40.

Well, maybe not totally true, mechanical mods are cool works of art, and 510 threading will prolly still be applicable to whatever New & Improved designs get attached to it, but still...
 

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If you are trying to prepare for the worst the FDA will throw at us and want to stock up for the rest of your life you need to concentrate your efforts on supplies that will last 40 yrs such as lots of cartos/attys/RBAs. Kanthal, silica, cotton, bamboo & ceramic wicks for RBAs will last forever so you could stock up on those. Mechanical mods could last a lifetime if taken care of properly but I would stock several. Nic juice, ejuice, flavoring & batteries you're out of luck there as mentioned above. Flavoring and batteries can't be banned so you'll still be able to get these. Nic juice and ejuice will still be available through the black market that will surely surface.
 

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Get a freezer that works down to a realistic low temperature, not just a measly -18C, package some unflavored high-strength PG and VG well, and crank that freezer down low. The liquid is probably good for at least 10 years if kept very cold, and maybe longer. The PG won't freeze but should keep well. You'll also need a generator and diesel to get past power outages. Don't use a gasoline (petrol) generator as the fuel doesn't store well, so diesel or LPG (propane) is best. You can use a gas (LPG) powered genny, which can be adapted from a petrol one such as a Honda suitcase genny without too much bother, and the propane gas tanks are easily stored. Or green power - with solar panels plus a wind generator, a decent battery bank and an inverter you can create your own power much of the time. If you have 3 power sources of this type you can be independent if your needs are not too great.

Well, I guess that is all kind of weird for the average city dweller, but many of us don't live in cities.

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Also note that if you really want to a freezer to work properly then don't use a regular store-bought one, use a marine system self-build. Store bought freezers are made to a price, they are made to look good, and above all they are made cheap so that a constant large amount of power is needed, as they only have about 2" of insulation. This is not the way to make an efficient freezer.

Instead go the marine route, where a low temperature without huge amounts of constant power is the defining function: get a good Danfoss compressor kit that can go down to way lower than -18C, then build a box much bigger than normal so that there is space for 8" to 12" of insulation, create a fibreglass internal liner, then foam out the gap between the liner and the outer box with insulation. You can use foam board or spray for this. There are some details you need to get from a proper design, such as where to put anti-damp foil sheet, how to create a drain pipe that doesn't leak heat, and how to make the lid correctly. This type of freezer stays colder for longer with far less power demand. It is generally built into an odd space in a boat, using the boat hull as the outer skin, and it is more efficient than a home freezer. Using cold air leakover you can also create a fridge next to it, with no additional components, by leaking some cold air across into another well-insulated compartment.
 
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