What coils and battery to use??

[Noobtastic]

I bought a Kanger Subtank and Atlantis V2, but sold them because they just weren't wicking my 100% VG liquid (Velvet Cloud & Gypsy ejuice) well at all. I tried using the atlantis with the .3 ohm coil installed at 70-80W, which was the stated operating range, and found it to be EXTREMELY hot. So hot that the tank quickly heated up to the point of almost burning my lips. The Kanger just burned the wick up at 20W+ with the .5 ohm coil, despite letting it sit filled for a few minutes and priming.

I am very interested in picking up a Royal Hunter, although I've no idea what pre-made coils (i dont want to make my own coils, just dont have the knowledge or time to learn how) and battery to get. VaporDNA sells UD pre-made coils in various resistances, but figuring out what resistance to use, and thus what wattage battery to get is where I am stuck. Not sure if it'd be better to run at lower ohms / higher wattages, or higher ohms / lower wattages. I'm not sure if it's possible to get massive clouds, but a cooler vape at the same time, but that's my aim.

 

[edyle]

any tank will run hot if you put too much power to the coil you put in.

 

[Illuminatu]

The Royal Hunter being a dripper, even if you buy premade coils you will still have to install them and make sure they both glow evenly. At that point you might has well learn how to make your coils. Keep in mind that this atomizer is not a tank with factory coils you buy in packs.

 

[caferacer]

any tank will run hot if you put too much power to the coil you put in.

...and if your juice is too thick to wick as fast as you vape.

 

[WonderDude32]

I am a Royal Hunter owner and it's my favorite rda. This is in part because my initials are on the side. Plenty of air with a delrin cap. I've been building dual nano coils at a .6 resistance with a "dragon-style" wicking. The trick to this is to turn the coils to a 30-35 degree angle with the top end open for vape to escape. People at my local vape shop have asked if it was a quad build and don't believe me until I show them. I bought the clone first form Fasttech and liked it so much that I have the authentic. To be honest, there really is no difference. I highly recommend this rda and wish more drippers had the spit guard style chuff caps.

 

[caferacer]

I am a Royal Hunter owner and it's my favorite rda. This is in part because my initials are on the side. Plenty of air with a delrin cap. I've been building dual nano coils at a .6 resistance with a "dragon-style" wicking. The trick to this is to turn the coils to a 30-35 degree angle with the top end open for vape to escape. People at my local vape shop have asked if it was a quad build and don't believe me until I show them. I bought the clone first form Fasttech and liked it so much that I have the authentic. To be honest, there really is no difference. I highly recommend this rda and wish more drippers had the spit guard style chuff caps.

Does that spit guard get in the way of dripping through the drip tip?

 

[MattyTny]

I feel like you may have done something incorrectly for the vape to get that hot that it almost burned your lips, it sounds like there was no liquid on the coils.

I vape Velvet Cloud's unflavored in my Goblin and my Aqua V2 and have never had a wicking issue leading to dry hits. Velvet Cloud isn't 100% VG either, it has a bit of distilled water making it thinner than plain VG and works well in tank atomizers.

Make sure you prime the coils correctly and start at a lower wattage. The first time the coil feels heat it should be saturated and be taken up in increments. I do not own the Subtank or the Atlantis, but I feel that would work.

 

[Noobtastic]

I made sure to let the tanks sit a while after filling, gave them a few primer hits, and even dropped some juice straight into the coil assembly. It just vapes either too cold and gave thin vapor, or got too hot and didn't wick fast enough.

I set the batts to the wattages the reviews and documentation said to, which as I said were WAYYYYY too hot on both.

I'm just wondering what ohm I should be aiming for, and what wattage rating I should be looking for in a battery. I don't know what combination will yield the best vapor production without too warm a vape.

 

[WonderDude32]

.5-.8 give the best vapes IMO for the royal hunter. Wattage is as different as apples and oranges. You have to experiment to find the right heat vs. flavor vs. throat hit, etc. I vape at 24-29 watts most of the time with drippers. I do not like hot vapes. I hated it when a cigarettes got hot and that transferred to vaping for me. I use a Nautilus most of the week and vape at 12.5 watts. Why? It gives me enough vapor that it feels good, the flavor is good and I like the cool vapor. I don't always lung hit with drippers either. I can mouth to lung with shorter pulls. I drip for the flavor which is usually a little better. Sub ohms work better than the Nautilus but it's my go-to for staying busy.

 

[VictorViper]

I'd like to second the opinion that using a dripper with prebuilt coils seems like a no-benefit option. Prebuilt coils in no way make an atty plug-and-play. The coils will need to be fiddled with and at that point, you've just restricted your options for the same amount of work (and know-how). How many of those "bag-o-coils" get bent out of shape in transit besides?

The first step in rebuilding is the hardest. Once you've built your first successful coil you're likely to say, out loud, "well that was easy!"

Now, to the Royal Hunter. I picked this up over the weekend and it's absolutely wonderful. It has a massive well, a super easy platform to build on, has airflow support for single and dual coils, and the AFC ring is tight enough to allow for a legitimate, tight draw for mouth to lung vaping. I'm hard pressed to think of a better beginner's RDA with this kind of flexibility.

To add to my earlier point (and apologies if I sound like I'm disagreeing with WonderDude), there is far more to a coil than simple resistance and wattage. Wire gauge and material, surface area, coil positioning, heat flux, wicking technique and material, airflow, power and current (among still other factors) will weigh heavily in your results.

I don't want to make things sound more complicated than they really are. I simply wanted to lend more reasoning behind the opinion that the "easy option" of prebuilt coils are, IMO, more trouble than they're worth.

Then again, you do use a variable device, so perhaps prebuilt coils will indeed be versatile enough. I won't say they aren't worth a try, but don't be surprised if you end up trying your hand at wrapping.

TL;DR: Dripping changes everything, the Royal Hunter is a wonderfully versatile and easy build, you need to test those coils and test them again, prebuilt or not.

 

[VictorViper]

Does that spit guard get in the way of dripping through the drip tip?

Sorry for the double, couldn't figure out how to edit with a quote easily. Phone typing makes one lazy.

I just tested this with 70/30 VG/PG and it works just fine. Juice fell through quickly and what little remained cleared out with a quick blow from a few inches away. I'll update this later when I move to some max VG liquid.

Update (@caferacer): The mesh is fine with max VG as well, requires a little blow to clear the holes as with the thinner juice. All in all, however, I expect I'll continue to remove the tip for dripping, but it's nice to have the option when a spare hand is a luxury.

 

[WonderDude32]

I completely agree with Mr. Viper that there is a lot more to coils. I only intended to say this is what I prefer. We are all snowflakes in that our tastes can go from one extreme to the other. There are so many builds that change the vape experience that you can build till your fingers fall off and never do the same one twice. I've started to revisit builds with different wicking methods and found a few good ones. One of the things I love the most about vaping are the options we all have in how we choose to do it.

 

[VictorViper]

And let's be fair, most of the variables are so interdependent that it rarely gets more complicated (from a practical standpoint) than resistance and wattage anyhow.

 

[WonderDude32]

And let's be fair, most of the variables are so interdependent that it rarely gets more complicated (from a practical standpoint) than resistance and wattage anyhow.

To prove this point, a buddy of mine and I built the same coils using the same wire with very similar wicking with the same cotton however, he used a tugboat while I used my Hunter. Both of us started at 30 watts and used the same juice. I didn't believe that the rdas would change things as much as they did. We used a fruit loops with milk type of liquid and while I picked up more of the milky taste with my dripper, he said that he tasted the fruit more in mine. We both agreed that his tasted more like the milk. At 50 watts, the fruit was the most notable in both. The mods were both IPV4s which is how the whole thing got started.