What do you say when people around you (relatives/wife) say "you're still smoking"...

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It really burns when the family member that happens to be your father does nothing but rag on your vaping, and is still a smoker himself, and says multiple times a day 'you didn't quit anything'. Sigh. And it's really fun when everyone else calls it 'smoking' and listens to 0% of what I have to say. None. They refuse to even refer to vaping as vaping.

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"I know you have asthma and COPD grandma, but this isn't smoking and I ain't stopping. Don't bug me about it again! Remember the last time you bugged me about something? You said no dogs in the house so I put salami in your shoes and let the Pitt Bulls go after you and you spent 2 nights in that tree crying like a little girl. Don't make me get the dogs grandma! Now, make me some brownies and use the real chocolate this time! Don't put the laxatives in them like you did last time. I'm watching you!"
 
Go to the stove, put a kettle of water on, and let it boil. Point to the steam, and tell them that's vapor. You could stand over that steam cloud all day, and it wouldnt bother you. Then roll up a newspaper, and shove it into the burner until it catches on fire. Point to the smoke and flame, and tell them thats smoking. It'll kill you if you breath it too long.

Douse the burning paper in the kettle of water, tell them you just made knowledge tea, and walk out like a boss.

That's actually very uninformative because the steam is water vapor. What we are inhaling is PG, VG, nicotine and flavours/additives. What is dangerous about vaping is what is in the additives more then anything else
 
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That's actually very uninformative because the steam is water vapor. What we are inhaling is PG, VG, nicotine and flavours/additives. What is dangerous about vaping is what is in the additives more then anything else

what we are inhaling is PG/VG,flavorings,colorings and,nicotine if added
that's been atomized by water vapor.
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That's actually very uninformative because the steam is water vapor. What we are inhaling is PG, VG, nicotine and flavours/additives. What is dangerous about vaping is what is in the additives more then anything else

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Go to the stove, put a kettle of water on, and let it boil. Point to the steam, and tell them that's vapor. You could stand over that steam cloud all day, and it wouldnt bother you. Then roll up a newspaper, and shove it into the burner until it catches on fire. Point to the smoke and flame, and tell them thats smoking. It'll kill you if you breath it too long.

Douse the burning paper in the kettle of water, tell them you just made knowledge tea, and walk out like a boss.

MAHAHAHAHA! That's badass lol.
 

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I just say... I ALREADY quit and not smoking analogs... this is different... this is called vaping.

And, you get that look in their face like... what you DID is for them or for yourself is "nothing".

PS. It really DID made some difference... "They" treat my [Bad habit] with neglect now... maybe because it really does not smell like an ashtray... ~SIGH~ guess i just have to be content and happy that I CAN vape while indoors my study room while using my computer...

25+ years smoker here BTW... start vaping and quit cigarrette the same day last December 7, 2014.

Just curious... what is your sad story. ~SIGH~

I just hold up my 6" long, 3/4" thick piece of stainless steel and say, "DOES THIS LOOK LIKE A CIGARETTE TO YOU???" :facepalm:

No tobacco... no fire... no ashes... NO SMOKE... It's NOT the same as smoking, because there is NO TOBACCO, and NOTHING IS ON FIRE. And under my breath: "Idiot."

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It really burns when the family member that happens to be your father does nothing but rag on your vaping, and is still a smoker himself, and says multiple times a day 'you didn't quit anything'. Sigh. And it's really fun when everyone else calls it 'smoking' and listens to 0% of what I have to say. None. They refuse to even refer to vaping as vaping.

Sheep.

Oh that is just because he is trying to justify his own bad habit of smoking. He obviously cannot give it up and you did. Easier for him to say it is the same thing then admit his weakness.
 

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Oh that is just because he is trying to justify his own bad habit of smoking. He obviously cannot give it up and you did. Easier for him to say it is the same thing then admit his weakness.

Exactly right. It's just "sour grapes". At first, I got the same thing from my mom, who agonized for several years trying to quit smoking, and finally succeeded -- pure jealousy, that her quit was so difficult, and mine was so easy. But I put her straight RIGHT QUICK with all that I posted above -- no tobacco, no fire, no ashes, no carcinogens, NO SMOKE: It's NOT the same as smoking, when there is none of that present.

She may still think it, but she knows better than to say it aloud in my presence, because I WILL NOT let it go, and she knows me well enough to know that. I stopped letting my mom push me around emotionally when I moved out at age 23.

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what we are inhaling is PG/VG,flavorings,colorings and,nicotine if added
that's been atomized by water vapor.
mike

Actually, not atomized by water vapor, but converted to water vapor due to thermal vaporization. The only way to inhale PG is to mechanically "vaporize" it (ie: turn it into an aerosol by means other than heat!) or pour it into your lungs as a liquid (not really recommended!)
 

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Exactly right. It's just "sour grapes". At first, I got the same thing from my mom, who agonized for several years trying to quit smoking, and finally succeeded -- pure jealousy, that her quit was so difficult, and mine was so easy. But I put her straight RIGHT QUICK with all that I posted above -- no tobacco, no fire, no ashes, no carcinogens, NO SMOKE: It's NOT the same as smoking, when there is none of that present.

She may still think it, but she knows better than to say it aloud in my presence, because I WILL NOT let it go, and she knows me well enough to know that. I stopped letting my mom push me around emotionally when I moved out at age 23.

Andria

I suspect that the poster I quoted is not of the same age that we are. It is easier to be brave and stand your ground (especially with parents) when one gets older.
Even then it is difficult for some. It is difficult to take criticism from parents or those you care about. Even more difficult when the criticism is about doing something that one believes is a true improvment for their quality of life.
 

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I suspect that the poster I quoted is not of the same age that we are. It is easier to be brave and stand your ground (especially with parents) when one gets older.
Even then it is difficult for some. It is difficult to take criticism from parents or those you care about. Even more difficult when the criticism is about doing something that one believes is a true improvment for their quality of life.

Yes, it does get easier; what's hard for me now is to be *nicer* to her, which her advancing age and ill health demands -- I've had a lot of well-warranted anger at my mother in my life, but it's really hard to stay angry at someone who's that ill all the time, it just feels... small -- her poor health constantly reminds me that she's 73, and I may not have her around much longer, and for all my anger, she's my only mother, she did the best that *she* could, and I do love her.

But it really wasn't that hard for me to "be brave and stand my ground" even when I was in my 20s, once I moved out of the parental prison -- I just stopped communicating with her for quite a few years, and then, even when I did communicate with her, I kept it to a minimum. But as she got older and sicker, I realized how small I was being, and the fact that she wouldn't always be there; things are pretty good now, with effort on both our parts.

But I still won't let her get away with pure BS, which calling vaping the same as smoking, truly is. ;)

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Actually, not atomized by water vapor, but converted to water vapor due to thermal vaporization. The only way to inhale PG is to mechanically "vaporize" it (ie: turn it into an aerosol by means other than heat!) or pour it into your lungs as a liquid (not really recommended!)

no vaporization is the process of heating a liquid to a point when
the colliding molecules are cast off into the atmosphere.
as the water vaporizes it atomizes the base liquid.
atomization is the process of force dispersing the base liquid into
very small droplets as in a janitors pump sprayer.
what we see is water vapor carrying a fine mist of base liquid.
a simple hand pump sprayer uses compressed air as the force.
medical inhalers use compressed propane.
the original e-cig used a sonic vibrator.
e-cigs use water vapor as the force.
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I usually ask people two simple questions:

If I was a drinker until 6 years ago, and suddenly swiched to non-alchoolic beer EXCLUSIVELY, would I still be considered a boozer, just because I would still be drinking lots of "beer" ?

On those circunstances, would I be dishonest, or "fooling myself" by stating the simple truth that "I used to be a boozer, but I have not drank in the past 6 years" ?

Usually, I get a "No" on both questions. I then point out that people would not ask me "when will I quit NA-beer also". Because the "quitting" had already happened, simply by switching to an alchool-FREE alternative to whatever I was drinking before.


I then ask those people: where is the logic then, in considering someone who has been using a smoke-LESS alternative to tobacco cigarettes, for the last six years, as a SMOKER? No SMOKE, no SMOKEr, by definition...


Some of those people will still tell me that "it is not the same thing". But when pressed to explain why exactly is it not the same thing, they usually can not. :)

And of course, some of those people will argue about the nicotine. "I would not consider you a smoker if you were using NON-nicotine liquid, just like the NON-alchoolic beer example you gave me".

And here comes the fun: to those, I simply explain that the main issue with SMOKErs is the SMOKE, not the nicotine. That people who have been on NRT's for a year or two are considered EX-smokers. And that not even an anti-smoking doctor would consider his Snus user patient as a smoker. Sure, he will rant about his patient's use of tobacco, and see it as a "problem" to be adressed. But he will NOT consider him a smoker. Not even the most anti-smoking medical doctor would do that.


When those people cannot find anything else to say, I usually end the argument by stating something like "So you see, despite your *beliefs*, the truth is you cannot really explain why am I still smoking, after all. And that's because I really am NOT smoking".


Mostly, I used to get this "you have not quit anything" crap from a family member, a retired nurse. Not anymore. :lol:


(On a darker note, she did shut up about me "not having quit", just to start giving me "warnings" about the e-cigarette "dangers" she has been hearing on the news, and how it is "more dangerous than smoking cigarettes". Maybe she believes I DID quit smoking after all, just to embrace a more dangerous "addiction" :facepalm: )
 

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I dont bother with "them"... they are too close minded to even listen in the first place.....

It is hopeless. The uniformed collect a few media sound bites and believe it's the truth. I find it so strange that even as a child, long before the current media blitz, one would often hear "Don't believe everything you read in the newspapers". It appears it is a lesson long forgotten. The current media slanders are very effective. Why it done? Sensational stories for ratings to be sure but also a financial backed attack forcing vaping into an uphill fight. I would also not be surprised if legislators quote some of these releases as justification for regulation and taxation. Now let's see who will benefit from the attacks on vaping:

Cigarettes companies - Deter smokers from starting vaping. Encourage legislation and taxation to make it less attractive compared to cigarettes.

Pharmaceutical companies - Vaping is a direct competition to their stop smoking potions.

Legislators - More sin taxes and more bills to pass. Looking good to the constituents. Loss of campaign donations from tobacco and pharmaceutical industry.

Large vaping companies - If legislation provides a situation that allows tobacco companies to control vaping they could sell out for big profits.

Health organizations- Vaping undermines years of anti smoking propaganda. Second it may well end smoking and thus their justification for existence is removed.

Feel free to add more. I am sure there are many.
 

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It depends on the person

If they seem earnest, I'll try and explain things to them. Those, I'm patient with

If they seem "holier than thou", or constantly come up with the same media soundbites, I just give them the look. You know the one: "I'm now visually measuring you for the shallow grave I'll be dropping you in"...
 
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