What do you say when people around you (relatives/wife) say "you're still smoking"...

[AndriaD]

no vaporization is the process of heating a liquid to a point when
the colliding molecules are cast off into the atmosphere.
as the water vaporizes it atomizes the base liquid.
atomization is the process of force dispersing the base liquid into
very small droplets as in a janitors pump sprayer.
what we see is water vapor carrying a fine mist of base liquid.
a simple hand pump sprayer uses compressed air as the force.
medical inhalers use compressed propane.
the original e-cig used a sonic vibrator.
e-cigs use water vapor as the force.

regards
mike

Compressed propane???? Uhhh... NO. The newest generation of medical inhalers uses hydrofluoroalkane -- it's a non-CFC propellant. Tastes like grain alcohol in most inhalers, though name-brand Ventolin doesn't have that icky taste.

Andria

 

[Jman8]

I can't recall the last time this came up for me.

If it did today, I'd want to get into it with them about their issues with smoking/smokers. I imagine that to be a short conversation as I'm pretty sure all people I encounter are ill-equipped to hold that sort of conversation.

I'm a dual user, btw. If the convo was stuck on "vaping equals smoking," I'd likely use socratic magic to have them state at some point in the conversation that vaping and smoking are not the same thing. I'd take mental note when they reached that conclusion, giggle a little to myself, and realize a seed was planted even while on the surface they may still be arguing, 'but they're the same thing!'

 

[DC2]

What I say in response to that depends on whom I'm talking to and how dedicated they are to holding their position.
But the bottom line in the end is that they will only say that once to me, and never again.

 

[CMD-Ky]

Tell them to mind their own _______ business, believe whatever they choose to believe and shut up. Live as you choose and shut out the noise of those who want you to live as they see best.

 

[DC2]

Live as you choose and shut out the noise of those who want you to live as they see best.

What if the way you choose to live is to eliminate the noise rather than shut it out?

 

[CMD-Ky]

If you want to turn the mind of the ignorant, I say "Go for it". I really don't care what opinion others may hold unless that opinion is similar to mine, further, I don't want to make the effort to convince the ignorant to become less so.

What if the way you choose to live is to eliminate the noise rather than shut it out?

 

[Jman8]

Tell them to mind their own _______ business, believe whatever they choose to believe and shut up. Live as you choose and shut out the noise of those who want you to live as they see best.

Say this to a spouse and report back how well that works for you. If not reporting back within a week, I'll assume you were killed.

 

[Strings]

If you have to have that kind of conversation with your spouse, you may have picked the wrong spouse

 

[AndriaD]

Tell them to mind their own _______ business, believe whatever they choose to believe and shut up. Live as you choose and shut out the noise of those who want you to live as they see best.

This is my general approach to everyone on every subject. But I'm a bit more interested in "spreading the good word" about vaping, because of its value as a life saver to millions of smokers -- and sure we're a minority, so not everyone you talk to will be a smoker themselves -- but they certainly may have loved ones who are. Everyone deserves to know the truth about vaping, rather than that codswill they spew on the news.

Andria

 

[AndriaD]

If you have to have that kind of conversation with your spouse, you may have picked the wrong spouse

If I was in the unfortunate position of having a spouse who believed the ignorance that passes for news, my response would probably be something like: "So you WANT me to get lung cancer and die? Why? Did you take out a new life insurance policy on me?"

Fortunately my husband is intelligent -- and delighted I found a way to quit smoking, because he believed -- as I did -- that I never would.

Andria

 

[CMD-Ky]

If you have to have that kind of conversation with your spouse, you may have picked the wrong spouse

I agree completely.

 

[seminolewind]

It is hopeless. The uniformed collect a few media sound bites and believe it's the truth. I find it so strange that even as a child, long before the current media blitz, one would often hear "Don't believe everything you read in the newspapers". It appears it is a lesson long forgotten. The current media slanders are very effective. Why it done? Sensational stories for ratings to be sure but also a financial backed attack forcing vaping into an uphill fight. I would also not be surprised if legislators quote some of these releases as justification for regulation and taxation. Now let's see who will benefit from the attacks on vaping:

Cigarettes companies - Deter smokers from starting vaping. Encourage legislation and taxation to make it less attractive compared to cigarettes.

Pharmaceutical companies - Vaping is a direct competition to their stop smoking potions.

Legislators - More sin taxes and more bills to pass. Looking good to the constituents. Loss of campaign donations from tobacco and pharmaceutical industry.

Large vaping companies - If legislation provides a situation that allows tobacco companies to control vaping they could sell out for big profits.

Health organizations- Vaping undermines years of anti smoking propaganda. Second it may well end smoking and thus their justification for existence is removed.

Feel free to add more. I am sure there are many.

Society likes having smokers to p1ss on. It's a national pastime. If society can't have smokers to bash, society's structure will crumble. The societal order of things will be upset.

 

[Light Seeker]

My sister in law asked me that once. Replied "no,I quit, this is vaping. But I see you're still .....ing".

Her husband nearly crapped his pants laughing so hard.

 

[DC2]

If you have to have that kind of conversation with your spouse, you may have picked the wrong spouse

This exactly.

 

[DrMA]

We all know of corse there is more nasties in our vapour than kettle vapour

Actually that's incorrect. Vapor is ~75% water and ~25% PG/VG. Everything else is <0.1% and there are no "nasties"
IJERPH | Free Full-Text | Comparison of Select Analytes in Exhaled Aerosol from E-Cigarettes with Exhaled Smoke from a Conventional Cigarette and Exhaled Breaths

Science verifies it is absolutely correct to claim ecig vapor is mostly water,
or more than 99.9% water and glycerine

 

[jchisholm]

Can't fix stupid.
I did it for me (and them if loved ones are enlightened enough to recognize that).

 

[caramel]

Which material should a kettle be made from and what purity should the water inside be in order for the steam to be safer than exhaled vape?

 

[The Dog Guy]

Which material should a kettle be made from and what purity should the water inside be in order for the steam to be safer than exhaled vape?

...and to expand that, how should said kettle be stored, how should it be cleaned, and how often should it be cleaned?

 

[INKED71]

I have to happily say mt whole family know the difference and they had to quit cold turkey and i was the only one still smoking besides my brother. They are all very ANTI- SMOKING. They wouldn't want my leather coat in the same closet at get to gathers. Now they all let me vape in their homes and encourage it. They are pleased i don't smell like a ashtray any longer and so am i. I will most likely vape the rest of my life unless i decide not too. I am also elated that my grown children 2 of 3 now vape my youngest is still in that in-be-tween phase but he will make it it took me 3 months to completely quit. I hope the middle son follows suit so they will live a better life and a healthier on.I have to say even my doctor was supportive.