What I reproach to e-liquid suppliers

[VIVAP2]

I have concerns about that:

• Why aren't bottles provided with sealed caps?
• Why isn't there a batch number, date of production and expiry date?
• What organization is over-seeing this industry so BE type of scandals don't happen again?
• Why bottles don't have a skull poison label?
  

 

[Cokeybill]

The new ECTA will release info next week on your concerns. It was just developed recently. Check out the BE threads here on the Canada forum.

 

[Can_supplier]

I have concerns about that:

• Why aren't bottles provided with sealed caps?
• Why isn't there a batch number, date of production and expiry date?
• What organization is over-seeing this industry so BE type of scandals don't happen again?
• Why bottles don't have a skull poison label?

- Sealed cap products are normally found on retail shelves where the products can be tampered with. If you buy a product direct that the public has not had access to, it is often sold unsealed. Examples of this are your prescriptions filled from behind the counter, some products at a direct source like a farmers market, fresh ground coffee from Starbucks. Your product should come in a sealed shipping package, if there is any tampering with that, then I would contact your supplier.

- Some retailers do offer expiry dates. This has been a small industry, run in from small shops where they are able to control their inventory. Also there is not any agreement on when liquid should expire. E-lqiuid should be treated as other products without an expiry date like a can of coffee for example. If its really old, you don't know when you got it, its best to get rid of it.

- ECTA has been formed with that purpose.

- They do not have skull poison lablels because they are not a poison. e-liquid is made to be consumed, so its not a skull type poison. You can mishandle or misuse it, but the same is true with alcohol.

All your points are valid, all of them are going to be considered in the very near future. This is a new industry, and there is a learning curve for all of us. To consumers, I recommend that you research your purchase. Speak with the company you wish to buy from, ask them your questions. If for any reason you don't feel comfortable, its best to find somewhere you will.

 

[Can_supplier]

To quickly address labeling batches, this is often more for the manufacture’s protection, rather than the consumer’s.

If a bad batch is detected, the manufacture then is able to recall that batch, rather than all of their product. Without a batch label the manufacture is forced to recall all of their product. As long as a recall is done, both methods will keep the consumer safe.

Given the method of sale of these products, online ordered for the most part, it’s actually one of the safest and easiest products to perform a recall on. Unlike a store bought product of which the retailer has no record of who purchased what, there are records of who purchased the products, their contact information and location. It is then easy to execute a recall contacting everyone who purchased the product.

Not to say batch labeling will not be a practice of the industry in the near future, I would just like to set everyone’s mind at ease over existing products.

 

[r4nd0mCh40s]

I had some juice from vapor4life, and they print an expiry date on their bottles listed at 2years of date of purchase, but do not forget it all depends on how it is stored, and if you havent vaped it in that long of a time, chances are you didnt like that juice to begin with.

As for made on date, I know mlv makes their juice daily and prints the date on the bottle, as well as gentlemans reserve and v4l, I do believe other canadian vendors do as well once more people read this.

You should only see a skull and cross bones on bottles of pure nicotine for it is a poison when in raw form until it is cut and diluted with pg and vg. But the bottles of juice premade from the vendors will not have one for it is safe for human consumption, you dont see skull and cross bones on bottles of tynol.

 

[Pipeous]

child proof caps, a poison label because diluted, it's still poison and could harm a child or animal. many people are inherintly stupid (no offense to those that aren't or think they aren't hehe), so make things stupid proof.

nicotine content has always been a question in the back of my mind and we discussed this. Adam and I made jokes about mixing bulk stuff in bathtubs and soaking cig butts for nicotine and crap like that but the reality is there is some truth to the prodding and jokes. Vendors that think testing for safety isn't needed or their responsibilty is just not a responsible thing to say. If someone gets seriously sick or even dies because of one screw up, this industry in Canada will take a serious beating

 

[VIVAP2]

Thank you all for your inputs. I've always been concerned about these issues but never express them much since I thought this business was illegal, just like buying illegal drugs: at your own risks. It is after reading the whole thread on "Schedule F" I decided to start this thread because I was strongly convinced that e-cig biz was legit. But after reading more recent posts, I realize that nothing have changed, it is still in a grey area. And after all this reading, anyone can conclude that getting organized in Canada is not even close to be done yet. I'm sorry to say. We need a leader!

 

[Cokeybill]

ECTA is the beginning of some direct leadership toward the ecigs in Canada. It was just put together and they are making a footprint towards regulation. HC sees regulation as a control thing that will lead to government cash cows that we do not want. It may happen in the future, but let's get some things settled by ECTA first. Small steps hopefully will lead to more reasoning with HC and a step in the right direction. In the Uk, this how they started and info from their direction will be the steps most likely needed to sucess here.

 

[kanadiankat]

Thank you all for your inputs. I've always been concerned about these issues but never express them much since I thought this business was illegal, just like buying illegal drugs: at your own risks. It is after reading the whole thread on "Schedule F" I decided to start this thread because I was strongly convinced that e-cig biz was legit. But after reading more recent posts, I realize that nothing have changed, it is still in a grey area. And after all this reading, anyone can conclude that getting organized in Canada is not even close to be done yet. I'm sorry to say. We need a leader!

Expressing yourself is what the forum is for! Good move forward.

Had a good chuckle about the "illegal" comments. The difference between ecigs and illegal drugs?: the latter can't be purchased on the internet, nor in pharmacies and airlines do not have policies where you can carry it on board so long as you don't use it in flight.

Electronic cigarettes are not illegal in Canada - and there is no grey area. What you see here is a "political will" to squash the product while actively promoting a similar product made by a specific pharma company. All the squashing is political - not legislative.

As for getting organized - there are vapers working quite hard to do just that. You could get involved. Help push it forward. PM Nuclearbrocolli - I believe he's looking for a few interested people.

 

[Pipeous]

Actually there are airplane policies for the "illegal" drugs for medical use patients. They allow vaporizers to be used on planes for that. I know wesjet does (I try to keep up on the legalization and such). During a recent rally in Ontario a girl flew from Alberta out to Ontario with her PV blazing on the plane, and has a card to show the people to allow it... so technically, the illegal drug has more rights on airlines than e cigs do

 

[kanadiankat]

Actually there are airplane policies for the "illegal" drugs for medical use patients. They allow vaporizers to be used on planes for that. I know wesjet does (I try to keep up on the legalization and such). During a recent rally in Ontario a girl flew from Alberta out to Ontario with her PV blazing on the plane, and has a card to show the people to allow it... so technically, the illegal drug has more rights on airlines than e cigs do

Pipeous - you are our wellspring of information!

...but if someone has a medical note or prescription to use a drug - isn't it no longer illegal for them? (I still want to see that! it would make for some amazing in-flight conversation....).

 

[Switched]

Actually there are airplane policies for the "illegal" drugs for medical use patients. They allow vaporizers to be used on planes for that. I know wesjet does (I try to keep up on the legalization and such). During a recent rally in Ontario a girl flew from Alberta out to Ontario with her PV blazing on the plane, and has a card to show the people to allow it... so technically, the illegal drug has more rights on airlines than e cigs do

Pipeous - you are our wellspring of information!

...but if someone has a medical note or prescription to use a drug - isn't it no longer illegal for them? (I still want to see that! it would make for some amazing in-flight conversation....).

Uh sorry Ms - there is no smoking on aircrafts. Well I ain't smoking Imma toking

Kat is right of course a patient using an illegal drug as prescribed by her physician becomes a prescribed drug, no different than amphetamines which have a legal purpose.

 

[Pipeous]

Thing is a precedence has allready been set in place for vapers. And a good place to start. Airlines are fighting hard for market share and would likely be open to negotiations if it would help them get business

 

[kanadiankat]

Thing is a precedence has allready been set in place for vapers. And a good place to start. Airlines are fighting hard for market share and would likely be open to negotiations if it would help them get business

wouldn't it be something if the stewards/esses walked the aisles with trays calling out - "ecigars - ecigarrettes"...

 

[Cokeybill]

wouldn't it be something if the stewards/esses walked the aisles with trays calling out - "ecigars - ecigarrettes"...

Or assorted juices(3ml for $2)

 

[Pipeous]

a good place for ecta to setup an agreement of sorts. if say wesjet or??? got on board, even no nic to start... just hardware useage. gaining widespread acceptance would help... oh and the video I posted earlier.... the guitar player is a newspaper reporter and journalist