What if....e-cigs were legal

[Arsenic]

Well, it's not illegal, so it's kinda like legal, isn't it?
That said, if e-cig industry were to be regulated, we could definitely see some improvements in the products out there. Today, there is no such regulation, so quality control is somewhat lacking. E-juices with inconsistent flavors, attys that burn out too quick, cartos that leak, etc. These are some of the unknown quantities that vapers have to contend with these days.

Quality?

I don't think regulation would change a thing except for adding a 15-20% markup to the price, a tax, so to speak.

Inconsistent-tasting flavors, would be the last thing to concern our Gov't. The only thing may be is that every batch of juice would get tested for industrial contaminants, and that's about it.

-[Arsenic]

 

[tenzip]

Quality?

I don't think regulation would change a thing except for adding a 15-20% markup to the price, a tax, so to speak.

Inconsistent-tasting flavors, would be the last thing to concern our Gov't. The only thing may be is that every batch of juice would get tested for industrial contaminants, and that's about it.

-[Arsenic]

This. Atomizers that burn out 2 days in? Not regulated. Shoddy workmanship on parts? Not regulated.

 

[Animeguy]

If e-cigs get the all green, I have a feeling I would vape a ton more than I already am now. Walmart doesnt seem to care. Gas station stores that sells e-cig cant complain cuz they sell them. Whats the point selling when you can't use it in store.
The FDA already took away my Djarum Blacks from me. So please let me have my vape.

 

[DarwinUser]

Quality?

I don't think regulation would change a thing except for adding a 15-20% markup to the price, a tax, so to speak.

Inconsistent-tasting flavors, would be the last thing to concern our Gov't. The only thing may be is that every batch of juice would get tested for industrial contaminants, and that's about it.

-[Arsenic]

Good point about the tax. However, I think a bit of regulation, larger companies getting into the market, and more competition in general will improve on the quality of many e-cig related products, including the juice quality. One thing that I can't stand now is not knowing what to expect from way too many juices out there. Although ECF is a great source of such information, there needs to be more standards and QA. IMHO.

 

[Arsenic]

This. Atomizers that burn out 2 days in? Not regulated. Shoddy workmanship on parts? Not regulated.

Point i'm trying to make is that they won't be interested in fixing this, if they will be getting their % off of every part sold.

Yeah, China stuff is bad, but when a "market leader" rips people off, and the better but not so well known manufacturers have to deal with that and sell a cheap (quality-wise) product, there's not much incentive in making something that works well.

Yes we want it to be better, but the whole market is the same way and it has to mature enough before someone will pull themselves up to a decent level.

And then the technology IMHO is not at all bulletproof, so there's that too.

But i totally agree that something has to change. I'm just saying the Gov't won't be the savior here

-[Arsenic]

P.S. And by the way, regulation means less choice and not more. There will be meaningless certifications, various fees all around and more people and agencies feeding out of the same trough, while only giving an advantage to the manufacturer with more $$$ (which was gotten thru cutting corners)

 

[Arsenic]

Good point about the tax. However, I think a bit of regulation, larger companies getting into the market, and more competition in general will improve on the quality of many e-cig related products, including the juice quality. One thing that I can't stand now is not knowing what to expect from way too many juices out there. Although ECF is a great source of such information, there needs to be more standards and QA. IMHO.

More QA is definitely a good thing, and well-backed manufacturers, i agree with that as well.

If the market grows, someone will definitely decide to be a more respectable operation, or will get bought by an established company.

But for now i think everyone is comfortable with selling crap, and the business model kind of depends on it until numbers grow enough to cover all of the expenses...should be a bit like the computer industry though, not the medical co's...

If FDA gets heavy handed with regulation and gives the business to big tobacco, i'm sure we'll be complaining a lot more

-[Arsenic]

 

[Arsenic]

But i'm more inclined to think that first and foremost, they will ban forum users from trading DIY juice mixes....

Then they'll start with taxing parts and components. This may force the low end to start absorbing some of that cost and go out of business due to selling total crap, with the mid-range taking their place, by too absorbing the cost to some degree and lowering quality. A high-end will emerge that will not try to absorb the cost, and will make a decent product, but a pseudo-high-end will fight them for market share with CRAP, and a whole lot of advertizing...


We may also start seeing the fees counterbalanced by a cell phone industry -style subsidized long-term contracts, and i'm sure in the long run big tobacco subsidiaries will try to dominate the newbie market with a reliable, but pretty mediocre product that most will assume is "the way it is", until they get into researching alternatives.

My reasoning is based on the business models of various players of the consumer electronics industry, which this sort of is. I wouldn't want PV's to go the way of hospital-grade machines that only hospitals really want

-[Arsenic] (again )

 

[Codex Gigas]

Arsenic, are you vaping? Didn't like 30 people tell you not to start vaping? What happened?

 

[Arsenic]

Arsenic, are you vaping? Didn't like 30 people tell you not to start vaping? What happened?

I'm not, at least not for now...

But i've been reading a lot here, in breaks between work and have a pretty good understanding now of what you guys are dealing with.

I did give my word that i would study this stuff enough to be able to get my friend to switch.


But thanks for caring. I didn't mean to make you worry

-[Arsenic]

 

[toto1013]

I wouldn't do anything different then I do now. I vape where ever I would smoke. I don't ever recall smoking in Wal-Mart, grocery stores, etc., so don't know why I would vape there anyhow. In fact almost afraid to take pv any place with me as afraid I will loose it. OH MY!

So glad to hear that you are gaining knowledge towards helping your friend and not vaping Arsenic!

 

[MrSmith99]

Even if it were stated to be "legal" I still probably wouldn't do it in public. While driving I feel funny using my ego, lest someone think I'm smoking a crack pipe! LOL. If I'm at a stop light I use my white 510 instead. I'm such a chicken sh&%. I am very cautious at work because someone here said they were forced to take a drug test. I'm glad to have a job and wont chance it. I will vape in front of adult family and friends, and they are glad I no longer smoke death sticks.

Yes, I'm a closet vaper! I also plan on quitting vaping at some point.

 

[IOU]

The big concern right now is whether the gubmint will choose to outlaw e-cigs.

But...what if e-cigs were deemed legal?
Would there be a little vapor clouds in aisle 3, 5, and 7 in walmart?
Would the airplane with 400 passengers have 10 or so vapor addicts puffing away?
Would you be one of the proud vapers vs a sneak vaper?

It appears to me that most (if not all) vapers are ex-smokers. In light of recently passed anti-smoking laws , I think we are an incredibly considerate group that doesn't want to be lumped in with smokers and their continued loss of freedoms and over-taxation.
When in public, we tend to sneak instead of proudly displaying our freak flag.

Do you think your closet habits would change if the law favored your e-cig rights?

I understand where you are comming from 100%. Hopefully as more and more long term studies on vaping come out, we can all relax a little more.

 

[wv2win]

Closet habits? I'm not ashamed of quitting smoking. I'm not ashamed of vaping. I hide nothing, and when asked I proudly tell people what it is. Nothing illegal about what I'm doing, so why should I be ashamed of it and try to hide it?

+++1, well said.

 

[wv2win]

I agree with valsacar. I fly my "freak flag" all the time. With respect, of course. Not so much in your face as doing what I normally do. I figure if I act normally, then folks will tend to perceive it as normalcy.

*edit...and I never smoked around children...so I don't really vape around them either.

I am a proud vaper vs a sneak vaper and don't sneak around. Sneaking around gives the impression we're doing something wrong and that's not the impression I want the people that see me vaping to have. I don't know how many if any of them I've converted but many many conversations have been struck by me vaping in public and many said they were going to give it a go.

I'd recommend putting a card with links of valid information along with business cards from respected vendors in your wallet or purse and passing them out when the subject comes up instead of trying to hide it and just feed what the fda is dishing out to the masses.

+1 +1, both logical and good thinking. Perception is reality. If you act like what you are doing is dangerous or just like smoking, then that is how it will be perceived.

 

[Some1OnThisForum]

forgive me, but the only place i strongly believe e-cigs should be illegal are on airplanes and public transportation. This reason is sound, because imagine a bunch of ex smokers puffing massive clouds of vapor on an airplane with their super mods and egos. You get alot of vapor out of dripping, and the vapor does linger...some may have allergic reactions to certain kinds of flavorings, and even PG. Also, it causes problems. What if some sort of bomb fuse were to be assembled that gave off similar scents as e-cig flavors. all the vapor in the air and you wouldnt be able to tell the difference...also all the red leds, and blue leds...it would make things complicated. Keep in mind..this is just airplanes im talking of. Everywhere else except for a school there should not be a problem. Should a teacher be allowed to vape during class of 10 year olds? Absolutely not.

Should you vape in front of your young children? I wouldnt really. There is nicotine in them, and it can be harmful to young non smokers can get light headed of it. little high if they try.

18+ how it is. Just as long as they dont start taxing the dam things. I can only imagine some sort of bill will be devised that will call for tax on all nicotine products. its already in the making as we speak. So expect tax on your juices. I say stock up as soon as the bill becomes more public

 

[Arsenic]

I can only imagine some sort of bill will be devised that will call for tax on all nicotine products. its already in the making as we speak. So expect tax on your juices. I say stock up as soon as the bill becomes more public

Ugh...that is just crazy. I wonder who will benifit. Some private pockets? The guys who feel they are losing out as the number of analoggers gets lower and lower?

I mean sure, let them tax tobacco, as it gets into the hands of consumers, but taxing quitting aids is just asinine

-[Arsenic]

 

[Some1OnThisForum]

well, its not asinine because of intentions behind it. Its Blatantly Asinine! lol Obviously they want money out of us, or at least control. They the elite will do whatever it takes to get what they want, even if that means opening a company of e-juices that have dangerous chemicals in them so they can get people sick...that way they have an excuse to have some sort of control over it. Soon, you will need a license to sell nicotine products, and there will be tax on it. As long as they have control. Because control = power and money. get as much of it as possible and you will feel safe financially...and the attitude along with that is..."F EM" survival of the fittest.

That same attitude also creates phrases like "hey well there is nothing i can do about it to stop them from doing what they are doing, so f it" or "well if i die, i die"

why should it come down to options like these? yes..if i die i die..fine, but not if im dying because of someone elses intentions. I want to die of natural causes. not cause someone agenda requires me being dead as part of a mass depopulation

 

[Arsenic]

Yeah, it's the same people that fought for years to make sure Stevia does not get sold as a sweetener, but as a "dietary supplement"... all the while Aspartame, which metabolizes into formaldehyde via the liver, is sold without warnings

It's a twisted world we live in.

-[Arsenic]

 

[DuncanDisordely]

forgive me, but the only place i strongly believe e-cigs should be illegal are on airplanes and public transportation. This reason is sound, because imagine a bunch of ex smokers puffing massive clouds of vapor on an airplane with their super mods and egos. You get alot of vapor out of dripping, and the vapor does linger...some may have allergic reactions to certain kinds of flavorings, and even PG. Also, it causes problems. What if some sort of bomb fuse were to be assembled that gave off similar scents as e-cig flavors. all the vapor in the air and you wouldnt be able to tell the difference...also all the red leds, and blue leds...it would make things complicated. Keep in mind..this is just airplanes im talking of. Everywhere else except for a school there should not be a problem. Should a teacher be allowed to vape during class of 10 year olds? Absolutely not.

Should you vape in front of your young children? I wouldnt really. There is nicotine in them, and it can be harmful to young non smokers can get light headed of it. little high if they try.

18+ how it is. Just as long as they dont start taxing the dam things. I can only imagine some sort of bill will be devised that will call for tax on all nicotine products. its already in the making as we speak. So expect tax on your juices. I say stock up as soon as the bill becomes more public

The tax on fags is allowed to be set so high because of its luxury status, so I can't see them on the one hand getting away with classing them outside the tobacco market for their own nefarious purposes, and on the other hand taxing them at 70%+

I think some 'clever' peep in government is right now trying to work out which battle they want to lose in order to win the overall (monetary) war.

 

[whiskey]

As far as I know, they ARE legal.

+10...........