What If? Would you go back to analogs?

[Rossum]

But what if vaping was suddenly outlawed... no more e-liquid, no more batteries, no more nothing....... zero. It all ceased to exist...

Would we go back to analogs, or some other source of nicotine?

You cannot make something cease to exist by outlawing it. If vaping were outlawed, well, I'd be an outlaw. See my sig.

If it somehow magically ceased to disappear, like it had never existed (including all the 100mg nic I have in the freezer)? I'd go back to smoking.

 

[leerm8680]

So I'm thinking....

Pretty much all of us that are vaping are trashing analogs, and are saying how much better this is (myself included)

But what if vaping was suddenly outlawed... no more e-liquid, no more batteries, no more nothing....... zero.
It all ceased to exist...

Would we go back to analogs, or some other source of nicotine?

nicorettes, patch, etc

Opinions?

g

Red Dawn (80's version)

 

[Weizenheimer]

It will never be impossible to vape.

 

[Tinkiegrrl]

It'll never be completely gone. You'll just have to find the right people, and I would. Also, it takes some time for a law to go into effect, not to mention time for the courts to mull over whether the ban would be inconstitutional (I bet it would be). I'd try and wean myself to 0 nic before any law goes into effect. I would not go back to smoking, as by now I've been through any withdrawal from the other chemicals in cigarettes. I'm now addicted to the act of vaping and the nicotine alone. I imagine quitting would be easier from this point then it would be if I had to quit from smoking cigarettes.

 

[Cloud Junky]

I would DIY. I am about 75% done building my bunker in the backyard. Room 3 is Set aside for PG/VG/Nic stocks. Room 7 is hardware and flavor concentrations. With the Claymore mine emplacements, I am not worried about the smokies.

I got your six!

 

[CKCalmer]

But what if vaping was suddenly outlawed... no more e-liquid, no more batteries, no more nothing....... zero.
It all ceased to exist...

This thing we call "vaping" will never cease to exist because no matter how outlawed it ever is, there are going to be people like me who say "If you have to choose between doing what's right and doing what's legal, you should ALWAYS choose to do what's right." And yes, I'd rather risk prison or even death than tolerate an injustice that will cause millions more people to get sick and die from the use of government-approved poison.

Vaping, within ONE GENERATION, can save millions of lives. All of us know that, because we've done the actual research and we know exactly how many carcinogens are in our Tritons and Kayfuns and Aspires and EVODs. NONE! Not a single one!!! Right?

And we know that there may still be long-term health risks with vaping that we haven't yet seen. But does anyone really think that vaping will somehow turn out to be DEADLY TO MILLIONS? Because if it doesn't, then it's going to be an alternative to smoking that will save a significant portion of humanity. Not only because it will be safer than smoking, but for the most important reason:

Many, many people who have tried and failed to quit smoking with patches and gum and snus and pills
HAVE SUCCESSFULLY QUIT SMOKING BY VAPING!​

This is what will make the outlaw of vaping MORALLY WRONG, and fighting back with scientific rightness and public awareness and anything else we can think of MORALLY RIGHT. We CANNOT allow our government to cause millions to die by taking away a proven miracle that could and would and will save them.

What will I do if the government outlaws vaping?

I WILL STAND IN THE NATIONAL MALL IN WASHINGTON, D.C. AND VAPE MY FAVORITE FLAVOR WITH MY FAVORITE VAPING MACHINE IN ONE HAND AND THE MIDDLE FINGER OF MY OTHER HAND RAISED UP TO CONGRESS, SURROUNDED BY ONE MILLION OTHER VAPERS DOING THE SAME DAMN THING.​

Now, can I get a HALLELUJAH?


And if it's not already obvious... Yes, I just watched "Dallas Buyers Club". I already felt all the things I wrote above, I just feel them a bit stronger today, that's all.)




P.S. - Oh yeah, one more thing. JOIN CASAA RIGHT NOW if you haven't already, so that we'll hopefully NEVER have to figure out what to do if vaping were outlawed.

 

[vjc0628]

I've been dropping nic levels as I go along

most recently now splitting time between 5mg 6mg 8mg and 9mg

have about 5mls left of a 12 mg juice that I wont be mixing down
and will have enough supplies to last till the end of the year by the end of next month

if it gets out lawed Id be able to get juice just not great flavor
I could deal with that because Ill will just look to drop to 3 and 4 mg to make it into the last phase

 

[Archon]

There will always be a market for vaping, even if it is a black market which I would readily use. Vaping, like analogs, aren't going anywhere as long as there is a demand for them. They outlawed the use of recreational drugs, and people can still get their hands on them.

Now, IF this would occur.....I would NEVER go back to analogs. I cannot use the gum or the patch because I am allergic to them, or at least some of the chemicals they use in them. I would likely learn to deal with it. After all I am aiming at 0mg nicotine by this fall.

This. Vaping exists now, and no amount of legislation is going to change that reality. An outright ban would just drive it underground, and I would follow it there. No more cigs. No more dip.

Would I break the law for the sake of my health? Absolutely. Maybe that's just me, but that's how I feel.

 

[Tedlee]

I lower my nic level every time I restock my juice. Down to 5mg now. Another month....0 nic. I figure a month or so at 0 nic should do it for good. But, in the mean time, if I couldn't vape, probably a 70/30 chance I would not go back to stinkies.

 

[SingedVapor]

Even if vaping was 100% outlawed... So what? What are they gonna do, take back all the stuff we already own? By the time any type of legislation would pass my mod collection would be nice enough to last me a while.
Then my only concern would be getting VG and flavours, which any way they twisted it could never be outlawed. I would simply make my own juice and vape 0mg nic. From there I would just build good enough to make up for the lack of throat hit and boom i'm set. That being said. This is the first thing that has ever worked and i'm not giving it up without a fight


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[Amraann]

So I'm thinking....

Pretty much all of us that are vaping are trashing analogs, and are saying how much better this is (myself included)

But what if vaping was suddenly outlawed... no more e-liquid, no more batteries, no more nothing....... zero.
It all ceased to exist...

Would we go back to analogs, or some other source of nicotine?

nicorettes, patch, etc

Opinions?

g

Without reading any replies.... I would find my supplies underground. But I doubt that they would be outlawed.

 

[CKCalmer]

Not a single Hallelujah? Not even one?

So I'm gonna be standing on the National Mall alone, Capital Police ripping the Triton VV out of my hand and breaking it on the ground as they latch down the handcuffs two clicks too tight and shove me into the back of their car.

You guys would really go down without a fight? Count up your stockpiles and just let the government stop something that could save millions of lives within our lifetimes?

I was just reading the Health Effects of Cigarette Smoking web page on the CDC website. I'm not going to start copying and pasting sections of it into this post, but I am going to quote one sentence, because it's the one that completely blows me away.

If nobody smoked, one of every three cancer deaths in the United States would not happen.​

If there's ever been a reason to grit your teeth and stand your ground, this has got to be the best one I've ever seen.

I'm not going to stockpile anything. Not coils, not juices, nothing. I'm gonna keep on buying one box of coils when I'm down to my last two and 60-75mL of juice at a time. That way, I'll have yet more incentive to not let them stop what will end up being the savior of the American smoker.

 

[Rossum]

I WILL STAND IN THE NATIONAL MALL IN WASHINGTON, D.C. AND VAPE MY FAVORITE FLAVOR WITH MY FAVORITE VAPING MACHINE IN ONE HAND AND THE MIDDLE FINGER OF MY OTHER HAND RAISED UP TO CONGRESS, SURROUNDED BY ONE MILLION OTHER VAPERS DOING THE SAME DAMN THING.​

I have mixed feelings about this. On the one hand I want to jump up and say:

Hallelujah!​

On the other hand, I decided some time ago that I'm simply done with begging "government" for permission to live my life the way I see fit; that as long as I conduct myself peaceably and honestly, they have no moral authority to restrict what I do, so I will simply go about my business and ignore their arbitrary laws. You see, I've attended protests like that, and they've never once changed a thing. Hence I will stock up. In fact, I will have enough to share with others who need it. If necessary, I'll learn to extract nic from tobacco myself. That way, if a smoker I care about wants to try switching, I'll be in a position to help them do so, regardless whether those in power approve or not.

 

[SynC]

E-cigs/pv is already illegal in my country But a lot of us still go through all the trouble to vape instead of switching back to analog

 

[crxess]

But what if vaping was suddenly outlawed... no more e-liquid, no more batteries, no more nothing....... zero.
It all ceased to exist...

Then I'd be an Outlaw!
I already have enough stashed back to keep me going for the next 10yrs.

 

[ENAUD]

As long as the mindset of prohibition is acceptable in our time, and there are ongoing failed prohibition laws in place, I don't trust any government regarding whether they will institute said ban in the near or distant future. I am pretty much a self sufficient vaper at this point and will continue to do what is best for me regardless of whatever ban or prohibition that may or may not come to pass. I don't think I will ever go back to the cigs...

 

[razor4432]

I would, I wouldn't know what to do when I was driving or on break/lunch at work. Moving to Wisconsin in 2 days and my last day at work was last Thursday, have gone from a PAD (again) to only 4 or 5 a day since. E-cig is getting a good work out now like it was meant to be. Had gotten the Provari last March or April to tie me in and commit myself to quitting smoking (didn't work out to well lol). But cigs already are starting to taste bad so it's just a matter of time until the ProV is getting ALL the attention. Going to pick up a 30A battery (got a Kamry K101 mech), some 28ga kanthal and some more AW IMR 18350 tomorrow so I'm set for the trip. Plan to give sub-ohming a shot once we're settled in somewhat to our new home in Wisconsin.

Just hope the ~120ml of juice I got is enough until I can find a decent B&M lol.

 

[CKCalmer]

I have mixed feelings about this. On the one hand I want to jump up and say:

Hallelujah!​

On the other hand, I decided some time ago that I'm simply done with begging "government" for permission to live my life the way I see fit; that as long as I conduct myself peaceably and honestly, they have no moral authority to restrict what I do, so I will simply go about my business and ignore their arbitrary laws.

One thing I will never do is beg the government's permission for anything. What you've written, though, is similar to one of my principles. It's sort of a "deal" I have single-handedly made with any level of government I will ever encounter. I will never break a law beyond traffic violations, but I will also never tolerate injustice in any form.

(For some reason, the older I get the more intolerant I become of injustice.)

You see, I've attended protests like that, and they've never once changed a thing.

We're not going to change minds with protests. We're going to change minds with public awareness and education.

Rather than trying to change the minds which comprise the government, perhaps we should employ an "invasion defense" strategy of making it too costly (not necessarily meaning money) for the government to ban vaping. That's one of those strategies that you have no idea how to define it when you begin, but if you can do so during the conflict, it can be VERY effective. It's this strategy (not alone, but primarily) which led to an allied victory in both theaters of WWII and to the collapse of the Soviet Union.

Hence I will stock up. In fact, I will have enough to share with others who need it. If necessary, I'll learn to extract nic from tobacco myself. That way, if a smoker I care about wants to try switching, I'll be in a position to help them do so, regardless whether those in power approve or not.

And yes, I accept that stockpiling is wise, almost regardless of what may come.

Passion can drive me too hard, sometimes.

It's not when the government has incurred the wrath of people who already hate it, it's when they've incurred the wrath of the rest of us. We'll give the government every opportunity to do the right thing about vaping, and I for one will not give up out of exasperation.

Our priorities should be: (1) Keep everyone who wants to vape vaping, and (2) make vaping legal.

 

[boomhower1820]

I'd just give it up. In fact if these massive tax increases become reality I'll give it up. I'm down to 3mg/4mg depending on the juice. At that low of a nic content giving it up shouldn't be to hard. I've went a day recently and it wasn't a huge deal.

 

[Rossum]

One thing I will never do is beg the government's permission for anything. What you've written, though, is similar to one of my principles. It's sort of a "deal" I have single-handedly made with any level of government I will ever encounter. I will never break a law beyond traffic violations, but I will also never tolerate injustice in any form.

If you don't break an unjust law, you ARE tolerating it.

"If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so." -- Thomas Jefferson.
"One has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws." -- Martin Luther King Jr.

We're not going to change minds with protests. We're going to change minds with public awareness and education.

I suspect the general public simply does not care and never will. The non-smokers (including the former smokers who managed to quit some other way) who compromise 80% of the adult population pretty much have the attitude that we should all just quit. At this point, I would guess that vapers are under 1% of the population, an order of magnitude less than users of "other stuff", and that stuff is STILL illegal.

Rather than trying to change the minds which comprise the government, perhaps we should employ an "invasion defense" strategy of making it too costly (not necessarily meaning money) for the government to ban vaping.

That sometimes works and it sometimes doesn't. One could certainly argue that the costs associated with alcohol prohibition are what ended it, but drinkers comprised a heck of a lot bigger proportion of the population than vapers (or even smokers) do today.

Passion can drive me too hard, sometimes.

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