What Lies Beyond Twists & Spinners

[bobalex]

Hey All,

I’ve been a VV Vaper for a couple of years now using a Dial-A-Volt, Go-Go Fury, the eGo Twist, and the E-Max Twist. My preferred devices on these VV batts are the Go-Go M1 tanks, the miniViviNovas, MaxVaper’s JK65, E-Max tanks, and the E-Max V2 Clear tanks. Though I like the iClear 30 and 16, and the ViviNova and miniViviNova top coil tanks, the newer bottom coil tanks are just better enough for me to stay a BC vaper. The mini and regular ProTanks are too cool-ish for me.

I only vape 70/30 tobacco flavors.

The sweet spot for the juices I use that give me the Flavor, TH, and Vapor that are the most satisfying, regardless of the battery/tank combo I’m using, is right around 4 volts. Anything over and I get start getting a burnt taste. The only exception is V4L’s 5V Vapor Zeus. Not only a great vape, but the finest automatic vape I’ve ever tried. But the Zeus isn’t a VV batt so it’s not part of this discussion.

From now on I’m going to making assumptions and I know how slippery that slope can get. What I’m interested in finding out is just what are the benefits of going to an APV device?

Does it truly matter how I get to the sweet spot, using either a VV or VW device, with my favorite juices and tanks? If I set my batt to 4 volts it tastes best for me. If I had a VW device I’d set it until I hit the desired sweet spot and I assume that would directly correspond to the 4 volt setting on a VV device. What’s the difference in how the coil gets hot as long as it reaches the sweet spot zone?

The reason I ask is if the FDA’s new deeming regs go into effect as written the existing e-cig gear will be banned in about 3 ½ - 4 years. We’ve got that much time to see if we can get our congresspeople to change the regs. If we can’t … then after the regs go into effect in 3 ½ - 4 years somebody with really deep pockets will have to sue the FDA. There are more scenarios out there but in the meantime … there’s going to be a lot of stocking up to do if everything goes wrong for us.

There’s no telling what new devices are going to be coming out until the ban comes down. But if an e-cig apocalypse were to happen next month (which it won’t) I’d stock up on the tanks and coils I like, learn how to make my own coils, and purchase more nic and flavorings to continue down the DIY route I’ve been going for the last 2 years.

Eventually all my VV Twist-types will wear out. And getting them after a ban could be problematic. But the batteries used in mods will be available forever. Who’s going to ban batts like the 18650’s? Therefore it makes sense to get a good, dependable mod, or two, before the fan gets hit.

My preference would be more towards a Provari type flashlight over a box type mod. I’m looking for a simple to use, least number of menus to click through, lightweight, VV or VW (does it matter?) replacement for my Twists. Keep in mind 4 volts is what works best for me with my current tanks/juices.

Thanks in advance for the advice.

 

[PaulBHC]

I think we (USA) will be able to buy "flashlight parts" for a long time. Not sure about your country.

If you want something that actually works, has a track record, good warranty and service, and should last a long time, get a Provari.

I can recommend toss aways like Innokin VV V3 or MVP as being more consistant through a charge cycle but you want a battery mod.

Everything on these forums has someone complaining about something except Reos and Provaris. Reos and Vapage VMods don't have VV or fancy parts. Good backup I would think.

I don't own a Provari but would like to someday.

 

[Nodnerb]

Well, you are right. For the most part, a 4 volt vape on x device will be as good as a 4 volt vape on a y device. However, the sweet spot may be different. Maybe 3.8 volts on x device is exactly the same as 4.2 on y device. But who cares. It's really just the number. Cheaper devices use low frequency pulse width modulation which have a rattlesnake sound when vaping them. The provari also uses pwm but at a much higher frequency so it's much smoother. Personally, I've gone through 10 or so of the $50-100 basic mods like the smoktech sid, sigelei zmax, vamo, etc. while they work fine for a while, they all have started to act up on my in 6 months or so. Usually the fire button starts to be intermittent to the point of annoyance forcing me into another mod. So after 2+ years of that I broke down and got a provari solely because everyone that has one says it is the most reliable long lasting mod they've had. So far so good, after 3 months. And it is of course a much much nicer build mod than any I've tried. I have a svoemesto semovar on the way and will hopefully will have two mods that may make it through an apocalypse. None of the other mods I've had thus far would fit the bill.
You would certainly get a longer battery life with 18650 mods than twists and the like. Menu systems are not that big of a deal once you get used to them. And usually once you set it the way you like it, it's just the odd voltage change for different juices. Vv or vw doesn't really matter in my opinion. Just a different way to get to the vape you want with a different number showing on the display.
I don't think too many people will disagree that if your main goal is reliability go with a provari. They have amazing customer support and simply work, for a long time. And support the product when it breaks. And as I said. I am no provari fanboy, I just got sick of the disposable mods and got the one everyone says lasted them for years.

 

[WillyZee]

buy a Provari from the classies ... if you don't fall in love with it, lol ... resell it for what you paid.

I bought 3 black minis ... bet, at least one of them still works in 25 years

 

[CountBoredom]

I'm going to make a different recommendation than the Provari. If you want to dip your toe in the APV water, so to speak, I see no better route than to get an iTaste VV/VW v3. They are about the same size as a spinner/twist, simple, and relatively inexpensive ($25-$35 usually). This will give you the opportunity to try variable wattage, ohm testing, etc. and see if it's right for you. If you like it, then you can consider a more expensive step.

 

[bobalex]

... If you want to dip your toe in the APV water, so to speak, I see no better route than to get an iTaste VV/VW v3

It does look like the 'next step' up from eGo-esque Twists/Spinners but I guess I'm looking for a bigger step. A tube that holds an 18650.

 

[Capt.shay]

The ultimate zombie apocalypse rig is a straight mech. with a RDA.

 

[kiwivap]

It does look like the 'next step' up from eGo-esque Twists/Spinners but I guess I'm looking for a bigger step. A tube that holds an 18650.

The Semovar may interest you.
Vaperev Shop - Semovar Mod - SvoëMesto - Variable Voltage - Devices

Its been out for well over a year now but just recently stating getting noticed more stateside. Made in Germany - Russian designer. Variable wattage. The genuine Kayfuns were built by the same guys - designed to go with the Semovar.

It might interest you because you can use it with different tube sizes, it has vw, and if you want you can remove the controller head and use it as a mechanical device too.

Sold here in US:
Vaperev Shop - Semovar Mod - SvoëMesto - Variable Voltage - Devices

Here in UK (I think maybe currently out of stock on base kit):
SvoeMesto Semovar SM V3 (Mod) - Cloud 9 Vaping

Form Vaperev:

The Semovar, by SvoëMesto in Germany, has finally arrived to the US. This mod is capable of many things, however, the most notable is that the Semovar can be used as a hybrid device by purchasing a hybrid adapter and Kayfun V3.1 separately. Comes prepacked by SvoëMesto with an 18650 tube. 18350 and 18490 tubes can be purchased separately.

Features

22mm Stainless Steel mod
Variable voltage and wattage via Nivel chip technology
Adjustable positive and negative connections
Voltage range 3v-6v; wattage range 3w-15w (Increments of .1v & .2w)
Lowest fireable resistance- 1ohm
Max amperage 3.5A
Reverse battery protection
Overheat protection at 140 degrees fahrenheit

 

[PaulBHC]

The ultimate zombie apocalypse rig is a straight mech. with a RDA.

We'll be using car batteries, clothes hangers, and stealing french fry oil from McDs.

 

[blueGrassTubb]

Sigelei 20W. It does NOT use pulse width modulation and serves a very clean DC signal to the atty. It's also nice priced. You'll get an ultra-smooth vape at a great cost.

 

[DavidOck]

Maybe a telescoping mechanical and a kick? Still get the VW (or the VV kick), replaceable battery tube. And even if the kick dies, you're not out of business.

 

[Anubuk]

I vote for an Innokin SVD. Has all the bells and whistles (vv, vw, battery and short circuit protection, ohm and battery voltage meter) and is a quality made piece. Feels good and solid but not too heavy. It takes 18350, 18500, and 18650 batteries. You can get the mod for about $50-$60 not including batteries. I personally don't shop at fasttech (I hate waiting for shipping from china and I have been burned by chinese vendors) but they have the svd for $38, no batteries. Here is a link for Mad Vapes, they have it for $55 or $75/$80 with charger and batteries. I bought mine at Sweet Vapes but theirs cost a bit more since I got AW batteries and a nitecore charger. It is my first mod and I love it!



httpmadvapes.com/itaste-svd-express-kit.html

 

[serenity21899]

ProVari for consistency and durability.