What Next? Tried Fin, Mistic and V2

[FLKeith]

I started vaping a couple months ago with a Finiti disposable which led me to buying a Fin Battery; but the limited variety of cartridges had me looking around. At Walmart a pure impulse led me to buy a Mistic Starter Kit. That impulse didn't payoff much.
I was enjoying the idea of vaping but knew there had to be more. Online I kept seeing V2 at the top of review sites, so I bought a double battery starter kit, one manual and one auto, plus a flavor sampler of carts, a laptop charger, plus boxes of their Red, Sahara and Cola carts. I used a discount code and paid around $100 for everything. They offered free shipping so I opted for that. Don't! In their shipping policies they say 9-14 days! They don't lie! Therefore, while waiting and frustrated, I had loads of time to find other products online and forums like this. This is my first post.
The V2 packaging was impressive but the product leaves me wanting for more. I'm happy with the batteries and chargers, but I enjoy only a few of the flavors and they seem to vary widely in how much vapor they allow and how long they last, even within the same flavor.

So I need your suggestions. I'd like to find a large range of flavors, in zero or very low nicotine, which produce a considerable amount of vapor. I'm very open to filling my own carts with e-liquids. I want to stick to cigarette-types, but open to drips at home. Beyond that I get confused.

Can you guide me to greater vaping satisfaction?

Thanks!

I have 3 V2 batteries, the Fin is also an 808D-1 and one Mistic. And chargers for all.

 

[alisa1970]

Hi there, welcome to the forum!

I tried 2 different brands of disposables before deciding on the Joyetech eRoll. I had considered the V2 and was super close to getting the Halo G6. I know th eRoll doesn't get much press vs some of the other units out there but it's the PERFECT cigarette size, the carts are refillable so I can try out all kinds of juice, the vapor is really good, and the kits usually come with enough to make 2 cigs. So although the individual batteries are relatively small, one is always charging while I'm vaping on the other. I was a pack a day smoker and have not found the limitations that people have mentioned here to be a problem at all. I'm very happy with my choice.

You might check out the eRoll reviews in the model specific forum under the Joye 510.

 

[fabricator4]

I have 3 V2 batteries, the Fin is also an 808D-1 and one Mistic. And chargers for all.

You'd be better off with clearomisers if you want to fill them yourself. It's more economical to do it this way. Smokeless image seem to do small clearomisers in 808 thread but double check this as I don't use that thread myself. They also appear to have small and large tank clearomisers available as well.

You will probably want to stay with higher resistance coils because of the smaller batteries you are using.

You could also get an 808 battery to 510 thread converter and use a whole range of 510 stuff as well.

I think many of us start the journey with cartomisers, progress to clearomisers and tank clearomisers, and then maybe progress to tanks on larger batteries. I haven't quite got that far yet but am running bottom coil clearomisers for testing flavours (1ml) and larger tank clearomisers (up to 3ml) for daily vapes. The big advantage to seeing how much juice you have left is avoiding burning the device dry - a big no-no if you want to re-use it. Once it is burnt badly, it is pooched.

Auto batteries are not so great if you are filling carts or clearos - any mistakes or malfunctions allow juice to enter the battery which usually kills the auto switch dead, dead, dead.

While some find the cig-a-like batteries attractive, the smaller capacity and lack of options (VV, VW etc) means that many of us quickly get over the cigarette look-alike fixation and get larger battery systems or mods. I'm running Ego-C stuff and just got an Ego-C twist which has VV. You may want to stay with the 808 gear for now since you already have an investment in it. Hardware aquisition is a slippery slope that is hard to resist.

 

[Zire02]

The eRoll seems to be gaining more popularity for those who want a cigalike e-cig. The Halo G6 Starter kit which I got, Is also a very solid choice. I would recommend Halo for its great tobacco e-liquids and the hardware is top notch for an 808

 

[FLKeith]

Hi there, welcome to the forum!

I tried 2 different brands of disposables before deciding on the Joyetech eRoll. I had considered the V2 and was super close to getting the Halo G6. I know th eRoll doesn't get much press vs some of the other units out there but it's the PERFECT cigarette size, the carts are refillable so I can try out all kinds of juice, the vapor is really good, and the kits usually come with enough to make 2 cigs. So although the individual batteries are relatively small, one is always charging while I'm vaping on the other. I was a pack a day smoker and have not found the limitations that people have mentioned here to be a problem at all. I'm very happy with my choice.

You might check out the eRoll reviews in the model specific forum under the Joye 510.

Thanks for your welcome and sugeestions. I was looking at the Halo G6 so we're pretty much on the same page. So I'll take your suggestion and take a look at the Joye 510 forum and their website.

Thanks again!

 

[FLKeith]

Thanks Fabricator4 for the great insights. I had seen some thread converters on Dragonflyecigs.com for $4 each. But I haven't learned yet what the 510 stuff gives me over the 808 stuff. Any obvious advantages?
Thanks for reminding me why manual batteries are an advantage when I'm DIY refilling! I like manuals better anyway cause some of the autos have too much resistance. Gives me a either a jaw ache or headache! lol
I did see that the Halo G6 offers clearomisers, tanks and a variety of flavours. I can use my V2 batteries and progress with their stuff as the next step.
But I'm going to take a hard look at your Ego-C hardware. I haven't explored it at all yet. How important is the Variable Voltage? I understand the variable resistance twist, adjusting the vapor and draw.
Thanks for your suggestions and sharing your experience. Most helpful!

 

[FLKeith]

The eRoll seems to be gaining more popularity for those who want a cigalike e-cig. The Halo G6 Starter kit which I got, Is also a very solid choice. I would recommend Halo for its great tobacco e-liquids and the hardware is top notch for an 808

Thanks! Your suggestions are inline with those of alisa1970. I decided, from the suggestions I got, to get some Halo clear carts and flavors, as well as some tanks that should be compatible with my V2 hardware. But I'm going to investigate the eRoll as a potential future path.
Thanks again!

 

[fabricator4]

Thanks Fabricator4 for the great insights. I had seen some thread converters on Dragonflyecigs.com for $4 each. But I haven't learned yet what the 510 stuff gives me over the 808 stuff. Any obvious advantages?

Apart from the fact that there's a great range of delivery devices for 510, I don't think the difference is huge. I've seen people say the 808 is more rugged, maybe due to it's larter external thread, but there's something to be said for the 510 with the external ego accessory thread too.

The Ego-C style batterys have the extra diameter which looks great with the CE4 style clearomisers and if you use the bottom coil disposable clearos or cartomisers then an accessory cone looks great. As I said I don't use 808 so I can't speak of advantage of that system first hand, perhaps someone else will chime in.

But I'm going to take a hard look at your Ego-C hardware. I haven't explored it at all yet. How important is the Variable Voltage? I understand the variable resistance twist, adjusting the vapor and draw.
Thanks for your suggestions and sharing your experience. Most helpful!

VV is one of those things you don't know you needed until you have it. With a constant voltage device it is what it is, but the fact is that all liquids vape a little differently at different voltages. I'm finding that if I want to vape at 0mg then I can turn the twist up to 4.2 volts and get excellent vapour and something that resembles a throat hit. Some juices just taste better if you turn them down, and I like to do this for the heavier stuff like the caramel cappuccino that I was sent in error. The heavy dark juices tend to clog up and burn easier so the lower voltage is a bit kinder on the atomiser.

With VV it's best to start low and work your way up until it tastes better. If you turn it up too far the taste goes harsher and you know you need to back it off. I tend to use a few different flavours during the day and vary the volts between about 3.4V up to about 4.4 depending on which clearo is on the battery and what flavour is in it. It's about optimising the flavour balanced with making the battery and atomisers last longer (flavour usually wins out The draw also gets easier as the vapour production increases, for obvious reasons. You can't actually adjust the airflow to change the draw. Noob error 101 with VV is probably turning up voltage to get more draw, and getting a lungful of acrid burnt vapour instead. Yes, I did it first day and it took hours for the sore feeling in my throat to go away - had to drink lots of water.

The really amazing thing is how cheap these twist batteries are. I'm thinking about getting a second one and selling the three constant voltage batteries and the charger that came with them. I've also got my eye a Vamo V2 for use at home. If I knew a month ago what I know now, I would have just bought this setup instead of going through the usual transition.

Kit that I'll probably finish up with :

Vamo V2, $55
Extra 18650 battery for Vamo $12
2 Ego-C twist batteries, $20 each
Chargers for both: $25 total

Total investment: $112

What I will have actually done by the time I've finished:

Aussie Blue 510 Cigalike battery and charger, $25 (knew NOTHING about e-cigs and hadn't found this site)
Ripper start kit from Aussie Blue (looks like ego-C but is not and the charger is different somehow) $95 (figured that the little batteries weren't going to do it for me and had got over the cigalike fixation in just two days)
Third Ripper battery because one of them failed (replaced under warrenty, still waiting for it to arrive) $33
Two Ego-C twist batteries $40
Vamo V2 $55

Actual spend: $248, plus all the extra shipping, figure an extra three shipments for a total of $42, so that would be $290.

I could have had an extra $178 of e-juice. Ah well, chalk it up to the learning curve I guess. Lessons I learned:

1. Get over the cigalike fixation. It's not that important and it's actually an advantage in public if it can't be mistaken for an anologue. You'll adjust to the extra weight and bulk. It still takes up less room in my pocket than the tobacco pouch and lighter I used to cart around.

2. Shop around. Paying extra does not necessarily mean you're getting a better product. The shop I ordered the first stuff from is great at giving advice and helping people over the major hurdles and they run a good business. The fact is though, the experienced vaper and gadget freak like myself will soon start finding better and lower cost alternatives. I still hand out their cards to people who ask about my e-cigs though, because I know these guys will always be very helpful for the noob.

3. I should have spent more time researching and getting better advice. The problem is, until you've got the kit in your hand you can't really know what it is that's being discussed. In any case, most people won't or can't wait to get or absorb advice, and what's right for one person may not necessarily be the best for someone else - comes back to getting a device in your hands and actually using it.

The only consolation is that this is probably the normal progression and learning curve that most people go though. Regardless of the $$$ spend it was worth it to not need to smoke any kind of tobacco product, and for that I'm very greatfull. If I can get some kit that I'm happy with and stop spending money on it, I'll be much better off.

 

[1LastShot]

+1 on moving past the cig-alikes. There is no advantage to them, whereas there are many in stepping up to something else. Most of us started there, and I wish I would have heeded the advice of going to something else sooner- would've saved me some headache and cash in the long run!

I have an ego twist and really like it. I don't honestly use the twist function much, it stays pretty much locked at 4-4.2, but it's really nice to have it there if I need it. I also have a few ego that are I think 650mah, and I like them as well. They are smaller than the twist which is what I like about them.

 

[DeeDee1234]

I started vaping a couple months ago with a Finiti disposable which led me to buying a Fin Battery; but the limited variety of cartridges had me looking around. At Walmart a pure impulse led me to buy a Mistic Starter Kit. That impulse didn't payoff much.
I was enjoying the idea of vaping but knew there had to be more. Online I kept seeing V2 at the top of review sites, so I bought a double battery starter kit, one manual and one auto, plus a flavor sampler of carts, a laptop charger, plus boxes of their Red, Sahara and Cola carts. I used a discount code and paid around $100 for everything. They offered free shipping so I opted for that. Don't! In their shipping policies they say 9-14 days! They don't lie! Therefore, while waiting and frustrated, I had loads of time to find other products online and forums like this. This is my first post.
The V2 packaging was impressive but the product leaves me wanting for more. I'm happy with the batteries and chargers, but I enjoy only a few of the flavors and they seem to vary widely in how much vapor they allow and how long they last, even within the same flavor.

So I need your suggestions. I'd like to find a large range of flavors, in zero or very low nicotine, which produce a considerable amount of vapor. I'm very open to filling my own carts with e-liquids. I want to stick to cigarette-types, but open to drips at home. Beyond that I get confused.

Can you guide me to greater vaping satisfaction?

Thanks!

I have 3 V2 batteries, the Fin is also an 808D-1 and one Mistic. And chargers for all.

the ego is little bigger, but no huge about the size of a small cigar

 

[truushot]

I'm so new, my advice might be terrible.

I just recently moved from V2 to Vision Spinners and it is a vast improvement. If you want to continue using your V2 batteries, you can get an adapter (F/F) and a J510 Atomizer and a drip tip. You'll need to drip as you go but it looks basically the same as a V2, just a bit longer. I just got a few Spinners today, it is already a vast improvement. Not even fully charged and I'm been vaping away for 4 or 5 hours without changing batteries. With the V2 I'd probably be on my 3rd one. I had to constantly charge the things.

 

[fabricator4]

I have an ego twist and really like it. I don't honestly use the twist function much, it stays pretty much locked at 4-4.2, but it's really nice to have it there if I need it.

...but the point is that can actually set the voltage. What does a standard ego battery vape at? 3.7 volts? Something less?

 

[Keith C]

Halo has a new kit, The Triton, It's basically an eGo twist with an 808 thread. But then agin it is a cigar size battery.
Good luck

 

[FLKeith]

Fantastic advice, very well explained..

Listen to this man

I agree. That is exactly what I have done. Thanks for your guidance.

 

[FLKeith]

Fantastic advice, very well explained..

Listen to this man

I agree. That is exactly what I have done. Thanks for your guidance.

 

[fabricator4]

I agree. That is exactly what I have done. Thanks for your guidance.

That's excellent! How's it working out for you?

 

[littlebluepig]

My experience is similar to DylanO'R's. I got lucky enough to have a friend and a wife going through the journey with me. We buy different things and trade around. Between us we have some Joye 510's, an evic, a mechanical with an AGA-T, and some variable volt egos. All three of us like something different for different reason. I like the mechanical with the AGA-T because I like to fiddle and tweak things. The wife likes the 510 because it's like a cigarette. She doesn't see the need for the bigger mods. The friend and I like the variable voltage devices because the vaping experience is the same all the way through, no matter how charged the battery is.

Basically I took the long way around to say everyone is a little different. I just wish I had a brick and mortar store to see and handle this stuff before I spent my money.

 

[ozon]

All of us have similar experience, this is long or short (in case you are able to spent huge amount of money for short period of time) and pricey way. 100's thanks to fabricator4 post. And I wish that we are not spent money for Blue, V2, Halo G6 even twist and vivi novas and Kanger T3, and eVic... and go straight for mechanical Mod with high end atty, but it seems not possible (this is like school for vapers from A to Z), but we can help each over to be more successful in this journey. I go ahead my friend and navigate him, he saved a lot because of me, and enjoying vaping )))
Sorry for English )))

 

[ErrrMee]

Hi Everyone,

With all this talk about 501 and 808's it occurs to me I have no idea what types we have here! My daughter has the Envy Nirvana brand
and I have two, the V2 and the EverSmoke. Tried to figure it out looking at photos but am still unsure, love to know what all we've got.
Another question about batteries while I'm here.. my daughter's on a super tight budget and got the $19.99 kit from Envy. It only included the USB charger and she has used her cell phone wall charger and my EverSmoke wall charger to plug the USB into for faster charging.
Is this OK to do? I can tell there is much to learn about e-cigs and everything related and each day I read I'm learning more and more and I love it! As always thank you so very much.

ErrrMee

 

[FLKeith]

That's excellent! How's it working out for you?

I'll try updating you again. It seems my reply got lost somewhere in the rip between time and space.

As you know I began with a V2 kit. My favorite remaining setup is the USB manual battery with a mini tank filled with their mint tea. I plug it in and vape away while sitting in front of my laptop. Very satisfying!

Since my last post I bought an eGo-C kit from my local smoke shop. I had stopped in to see if they had anything e-cig, The clerk showed me some disposables and a couple bottles of flavorings. I bought a bottle of juice, got home and saw a high nicotine content. I called, they said I could return and exchange it, so I did. But a new clerk had replaced the earlier clerk and this time he directed me to several starter kits including the eGo-C. I could hardly contain myself! That's how I moved up to the eGo-C.

Since then I upgraded from the 650mah battery to a 1100mah and finally as you had discussed, I bought a 1100mah twist. You had spoken of the benefits of VV. How true your words were!

The hardware upgrades were purchased online along with various clearomizers, drip tips, flavorings, and even bottles of non-flavored PG and VG. The flavorings vary widely in satisfaction, both in flavor and vapor production. Like you said, that's where having a VV is simply nice to have! Sometimes a simple increase in voltage improves the vapor production. Sometimes I add some VG to the mix. Sometimes doing both leads to satisfaction, sometimes not. I put a priority on flavor and vapor! I have been buying juice with zero nicotine whenever possible. I know this makes the vapor and throat hit a more difficult challenge.

I bought some small samples of juice with different ratios of PG/VG. They run 80/20, 60/40, 50/50, 40/60. They should arrive tomorrow. I'm anxious to conduct the official vapor test. I did use my nonflavored juices and drip tips to conduct my own test, showing me the vapor benefits of VG. But I haven't settled on any ratio yet.

I haven't found the one source for most everything. I probably never will. The hardware purchases were made based on customer reviews, availability, clear specifications and usage of the product, pricing, discounts, and shipping. A couple flavored juices were usually added to my hardware purchases. Maybe one day I'll find a great source for the flavored juices.

I know you have the Vamo V2, a great device. The attraction of an LCD VV is undeniable. So when I saw an eVic for $78, reported to be factory sealed and authenticated with serial number, I gleefully ordered it. I can hardly wait for the shipping box to arrive!

So as you see, I have followed the normal course of progression as you so accurately described! As I moved along this line of progression your emails became even more insightful and helpful! I look forward to sharing my journey with you. My next email should follow the arrival of the eVic.