what other vendors actually MAKE the liquid they sell??

[alisa1970]

Asking if anyone makes their own flavors is different than sounding like you're above "all that other stuff"...it's in the delivery of the question, not the question itself. I guess my point is that there's nothing wrong with being a connoisseur, just don't be a jerk about it. Maybe I read the intent of the OP wrong.

 

[aikanae1]

I avoid certain vendors that use certain flavoring companies…

100%!!!! I have had vendors get kinda ticked off at me when I ask what flavorings they use - like I'm really interested in stealing "THEIR" reciepe when I haven't even tried it yet, as if it was even possible to reverse engineer an eliquid (read the thousands of pages trying to do Boba's). Stupid!

There are flavor brands I don't like. I would also like to know when a company is rebranding a flavor or eliquid as well. I know for a fact that if I don't like it with one company's logo on it, I'm not going to like it with another companies logo and crazy name on it either. At first, weird surreal descriptions were kind of cute and humorous but now they've become so common place that it's really frustrating to order anything if they can't tell me if "Ewok's Spit" has strawberry in it or not. GRRRR!

Simple. Do not buy. That's one of the reasons I didn't join in on the Zample box. The eliquids offered have high price tags and those seem to be the worst. Some won't even tell a customer what the VG/PG blend is. Most are very secretive and it gets worse as the price tag goes up. BS!

I can't believe people are that stupid to fall for the marketing bullcrap of premium juices that reveal nothing about what they are made of. That does not make them worth more. IMO it makes them worthless. Thanks for reading my rant.

 

[Steamix]

Flavourists and perfumers work with a lot of common molecules and bases. EU flavour regulations list a measly 2000 plus substances - lots of stuff to play around with. Even a seemingly simple run-of-the-mill flavour is consists out of 200 odd different chemicals. Sure, vanillin is the most prominent, but vaping something made only from that is like a three-dollar-bill. Looks like money, but isn't the real thing...

Flavour A from manufacturer B will taste different from flavour A made by C or D or ...

A good, well rounded flavour hits the middle of the bell curve and is worth a LOT of money. Let's not forget that the percentage of food flavours that actually ends up in e-liquids instead of food is miniscule. The big food processing companies buy that stuff by the tankerload, not by the bottle. And the flavours/fragrances market is a billion dollar business.

Means the flavourists aren't telling you squat about their exact composition - might as will give their company away for free...

 

[lasttango]

I have had vendors get kinda ticked off at me when I ask what flavorings they use -

Me too… some won't even tell you what they don't use. If I get that awful M type flavoring ever again I am going to rage…

I simply refuse to buy when they get all guarded… I respect their secret recipe etc, but please help me avoid m-type and flavourart.

anyway, so many places to get good liquid now and so many stand-up dealers these days. No shortage of good stuff in my experience.

I just read the deals and steals section… and firefly posted a sale at this interesting looking company named lick brand vapor… flavors looked unique etc…


no info on whether they have any proprietary flavorings… just some vague reference: "we use the utmost finest ingredients etc"

utmost… what is that? the utmost… the finest… the best… sounds like loranns or flavourart to me… which is fine… as someone else posted in this thread, the chef's magic is a big part of it… but… don't tell me something you are selling is the utmost unless you can qualify what makes yours different.

 

[firephly]

I haven't even asked any vendors where they get their flavors from since I figured they wouldn't tell me anyway.

I've had a nice conversation with Jake from Nude Nicotine though, (really nice guy-also a chemist) asking about the Patchouli vanilla which I liked a lot. I was curious how he extracted the patchouli flavor since I'm really interested in the idea of herbal flavored ejuice. He said, "Spices and herbal flavors are AWESOME! It's just a bit difficult to obtain a vape-safe extract for a lot of them. Like in our Patchouli, we had to perform a liquid-liquid extraction to separate the polar components out of the extract that were safe to vape, and leave behind the undesirables. But if there was another herbal extract we were to attack, this is the method we would use."

"a liquid-liquid extraction to separate the polar components" <----I don't even know what that means, lol, I bet that's one reason why you don't see many vendors making their own extractions, it can be pretty scientific depending on the flavor and most ejuice makers probably aren't chemists.

 

[SharonMM]

Well ahlusion I know makes some, if not most, of their own flavor extracts. Five Pawns I'm not sure about.. all it says on their website that all of their ingredients are extracted from base ingredients... But that doesn't mean that THEY are doing the extracting themselves. It could be that theyre just buying flavoring from a flavoring company that does extracts from base ingredients.. then that statement on their site would still be true. I emailed them to ask if they were extracting their own flavorings and they didnt reply. So who knows.

 

[Gauntlgrym]

Well ahlusion I know makes some, if not most, of their own flavor extracts. Five Pawns I'm not sure about.. all it says on their website that all of their ingredients are extracted from base ingredients... But that doesn't mean that THEY are doing the extracting themselves. It could be that theyre just buying flavoring from a flavoring company that does extracts from base ingredients.. then that statement on their site would still be true. I emailed them to ask if they were extracting their own flavorings and they didnt reply. So who knows.

busardo interview....5 pawns does it.

he talks about it from 20:50-21:45
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHsdA_gadUg

 

[StereoDreamer]

I think SOME vendors would like to believe they can just throw together a bunch of flavors and call it a eliquid worthy of vaping. So not true.

This is SOOOO true. Some of my DIY juices literally took MONTHS of tweaking and adjusting to get them "dialed in"...

 

[firephly]

This is SOOOO true. Some of my DIY juices literally took MONTHS of tweaking and adjusting to get them "dialed in"...

what types of things do make the best? Not asking for recipes, just curious, I'd like to try DIY