I was thinking about ordering a LOT of 15ml bottles to start testing flavors with (or maybe 10ml) not wanting to waste supplies, but I'm starting to wonder if that makes things more difficult since it's measuring such teeny tiny amounts.
What size test batches do you make?
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I make 5mL test batches, just because I'm too lazy to take the time to figure out my base for drops/mL. If you have a syringe, 5mL is about as low as I would go but if you want to calibrate and figure out how many drops/mL there are for your syringe, you can make batches like 2mL or 3mL. There are these awesome 8mL vials, the flavorings from Wizard Labs come in them. They rock!
I would not, repeat would not, make 10 or 15mL test batches... That will be a lot of precious liquid down the drain!
I would not, repeat would not, make 10 or 15mL test batches... That will be a lot of precious liquid down the drain!
100 or 50 ml depending on the amount needed.
Since I bought it I might as well use it no matter how nasty.
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I don't make anything less than 30ml batches if I'm testing for a new flavor mix, but I will split the batch if I think it needs steep time. 30ml isn't that big of a batch to me, especially with the wattages I vape at a 5-10ml tester wouldn't be sufficient as I wouldn't have enough juice to reliably test, set aside for steeping, test again, have a friend test a small amount of it, etc. I like to have at least 15ml to set aside to steep from the same test batch if needed and another 15ml to vape as it was mixed with no steeping. I like to use 60ml bottles for the 30ml testers so I have lots of room for shaking and adding additional flavoring if needed/desired.
30ml is as small as I'll go.
I do "test on the fly" in a Taifun as I can put a few drops in the tank and kinda get in the ball park. I used to test with a dripper but I hate drippers and with my nic level its just yuck.
30 gives me enough to go through some tanks full and have a better idea. Often I like something at first but after a tank or two realize its gross.
I'm cheap so I'll generally finish off a bottle no matter how bad it is but sometimes......................
At about 4 cents a ml a full bottle is like a buck twinnie. I don't wanna brag but a buck or two down the drain ain't gonna break me.
10ml no nicotine. If I like the flavor I add my nicotine. I only vape 3 to 8 mg with my subtanks so not too much change. For me I learned a long time ago if it tastes bad from the start nothing you can do will change that not even time. I toss a bad batch and try again.
I do 10 ml test batches (real easy to do the math in my head on the fly for percentages of 10 ml) and mix in either 15 ml or 30 ml bottles for shaking room. 1 ml syringes make measuring small amounts easy. Once I have an idea that whatever it is isn't absolutely terrible, I'll do a 30 ml trial batch to fine tune. I've made enough stuff where the first puff gave a clear indication that I absolutely hated it that I stick with 10 ml as the biggest quantity to make for something completely untried.
5ml for 'shots in the dark', 10ml for ones I assume will be delicious*.
All mixed by weight.
*results may vary
All mixed by weight.
*results may vary
I usually do 20's for a couple reasons..
Easy to shake in a 30 ml boston round
Amounts are large enough to be easy to measure using a 3 ml syringe
Enough to test and add an extra ingredient if desired to get to the end goal
Cheap enough at 2.5 cents per ML (50 cents per test batch) that I can use it as drain cleaner if need be ~lol~
Easy to shake in a 30 ml boston round
Amounts are large enough to be easy to measure using a 3 ml syringe
Enough to test and add an extra ingredient if desired to get to the end goal
Cheap enough at 2.5 cents per ML (50 cents per test batch) that I can use it as drain cleaner if need be ~lol~
I personally make mine in 100 drop batches. It's easier to get the percentages I'm looking for and each batch is right at 3 ml. I use a Magma on the smallest air hole for mouth to lung testing (single coil) to see when they are ready.
I tend to do 10 m test batches and do several in one sitting. It allows me to be able to shake and vape. And then come back to it several tines to note the changes as well as share with coworkers for their thoughts and opinions.
I usually use 30 ml all the time because they usually taste mediocre to great anyway so none will be wasted. 
10 mls initially, 10-20 mls for revisions, 30 mls has been largest volume mixed for stuff I ended up liking a lot, I like variety though and don't mix for adv' s really.
WOW! A lot of different answers. LOL. I do go through juice FAST ( I use a REO and dual coil sub ohm), but I'm thinking for testing I'll just drip. 10ml might make the most sense to me since that's easy math. You all are right.. price-wise testing isn't really an issue. I'm just trying to limit myself on the amount of supplies I buy at first.. I tend to go off the deep end with this sort of project and then not follow through, so I am trying some self control for once.
Thankfully I am down to zero nic, so I don't need to take that into my testing/calculations.
Thankfully I am down to zero nic, so I don't need to take that into my testing/calculations.
I tell you what, after my initial big spend on flavors, I now have flavors for years. I started getting little 8 ml bottles for testing of flavors. Now that I have been mixing them, I order 30 ml bottles of the ones that are almost gone because I have used them a lot and know they taste good. Being a person that likes lighter flavors, 8 ml bottles made sense and go a long ways.
Being a person that likes lighter flavors, 8 ml bottles made sense and go a long ways.
Oh, btw, if you have any friends that vape as well, you could always ask them to keep their glass bottles for you. Then you can wash them out and reuse them. I have a ton of 30 ml bottles free of charge.
Well my procedure has evolved over the little time I've been doing DIY. I started dripping drops of flavour (representing percentages) into water and tasting it like wine tasters do - spitting out and waiting for the after-taste. When I thought something was good I would make a 10ml batch... 5ml was somehow to small to fiddle with. These days I use the same flavour drop method but in a little VG and vape it in my dripper. Again if I like it I mix up 10 ml minimum.
ETA: I thought you were asking about test batches and replied before reading all the other replies. I still do a test batch of 10ml if it's a new flavour but when I know it's a favourite I mix anything between 50 and a 100 ml. Lately I've added a new procedure. I mix say 30 to 50 ml of a recipe as flavour only. Then I can add it to the base at 20% as one single flavour. This makes it more convenient to mix for my various atties, as well as friends and family who might want different ratios of VG/PG and nic.
ETA: I thought you were asking about test batches and replied before reading all the other replies. I still do a test batch of 10ml if it's a new flavour but when I know it's a favourite I mix anything between 50 and a 100 ml. Lately I've added a new procedure. I mix say 30 to 50 ml of a recipe as flavour only. Then I can add it to the base at 20% as one single flavour. This makes it more convenient to mix for my various atties, as well as friends and family who might want different ratios of VG/PG and nic.
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If I'm making something for the first time, I never make more than 5ml; I usually mix it in a 10ml bottle, to give room for good shaking. If I'm on a 3rd or 4th iteration and am fairly sure I'm on the right track with a recipe, I'll mix a 10ml of it, often in a 15ml bottle for the same reason.
It's not that difficult to make small batches, if you have a good supply of 1ml syringes. Wizard labs has them for a good price, and they're quality, not nearly as junky as some I've tried. If you make test batches in 5ml, and it turns out crappy (as most of my experiments have!), you haven't wasted much material.
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