Whats really inside your e cig n battery..

[trog100]

for this to make any sense u have to know how small an AAA battery is.. the picture is bigger than reality..

the top one is a standad ruyan lithium AAA cell rated at 350 mah...

the bottom one is whats really inside your e cig battery when a saw is put thru the tube and the actual battery removed.. its rating.. well.. anyones guess..

take note it isnt very big... in fact its very small.. but its the real battery inside the much larger white tube u think is the battery..

this one is out of a 901 generic..

trog

 

[Oliver]

Cool, that's pretty tiny!

Gives the lie to anyone who says e-cigs aren't hi-tech.....;-)

 

[trog100]

what u think is the battery.. what really is the battery..

hi tech or wasted space.. take your pick.. he he

trog

 

[ned Zeppelin]

If they squeezed in two instead of one it might last bloody longer

 

[20ADAY]

Was going to do this myself once one of my first batch of ecig components failed, good job... Can you tear the atomiser to bits as well

 

[dc2k08]

can someone try taking the fake ash cap of the top and see if they can dismantle a battery chamber that way. i will as soon as one of my battery dies but all four are in order at the moment..trog, you find anything else of interest inside apart from the LED? just padding or what?

 

[trog100]

there is empty space.. the pressure switch lives in the battery as well plus the very small chip (circuit board) that does the clever things.. flashing the light and stopping the battery being run down too flat or over charged..

okay the real problem is trying to bung all this inside the cigarette sized device.. make a cigar sized device in the same way and the battery problems would vanish..

but they know the pubic want something that looks like a cigarette so thats what the public gets..

atomizer are all very similar.. the weak spot seems the absorbent stuff wrapped around the heater coil.. it turns into a black lump of none absorbent of coal after xxx number of puffs..

that particular 901 mini battery was a very good battery for its size its run time came close to the bigger AAA battery.. sadly they aint all that good thow.. some have only half the run time that one had..

have a read.. note how the discharge rate affects the batteries life span.. its given a C rating.. our little chaps have a 5 C discharge rate.. the chart only goes up to three..

http://www.batteryuniversity.com/parttwo-34.htm


trog

 

[trog100]

the important bit.. note the red line.. a mini battery is being discharged at 5 C

trog

 

[phylo]

Just another comparison pic for you all..

The bit to the left is the LED and Circuit board... The bit on the right is about half of the little pressure switch that is activated when you suck on your e-cig.

Phil

Ps. Ill be pulling at least one atomizer apart in the next few days...

 

[trog100]

what is that one phil.. a 901.. or the pen.. ??

ahh.. its the pen.. bigger than the 901..

its shame we cant bung a 901 atomizer on a pen battery.. he he

phill see if u can find out exactly what the stuff is that coats the heater coil.. is it just wick like material.. ??

trog

 

[phylo]

Actually with a little bit of soldering skills you could modify the pen battery to fit the 901... You just need to pop the threaded part off of each and swap them.. The aluminum tube that the battery sits in is the same size... I may try that when I get more of the DSE901's in

Phil

 

[trog100]

Actually with a little bit of soldering skills you could modify the pen battery to fit the 901... You just need to pop the threaded part off of each and swap them.. The aluminum tube that the battery sits in is the same size... I may try that when I get more of the DSE901's in

Phil

yes but its not worth the trouble to do on a regular basis.. i meant simply just screw one straight in.. some of those threaded part dont like to come out easily either.. the press fit varies a wee bit.. some fall out.. some need the force of ten elephants to get them out... he he

all it takes with a 901 atomizer is a slight turn and holes dont line up.. i had one do this the other day.. u end up with an atomizer u cant suck thru..

one big design difference is the old pen draws its air thru the battery and the 901 thru the little hole in the atomizer side..

trog

 

[tribalmasters]

I know that a small amount of air in the 901 comes from the battery to activate the pressure switch or maybe its just a vacuum I dunno! Sucking on my penstyle and 901 batteries, no air can be sucked but the switch activates lighting the LED so air must come from the sides of the penstyle where battery and atomiser meet. Guess thats what gunged up my penstyle batteries!!

Sucking on the 901's atomiser without a battery and blocking the hole, the air comes through the bottom where the battery is so I guess you can still destroy a 901 battery with juice!

 

[trog100]

not so quickly.. the seal is far better.. u cant draw much air thru from the battery.. u dont have to... the suck does the switch work.. its a pressure differential switch.. the passage of air is not needed to work the switch with the 901.. with the classic style it does two things.. it works the switch and feeds your mouth with vapour..

the 901 way is by far the best way.. a nice design change thats gone largely un-noticed ..

a neat trick with the 901 is block the hole.. gently suck for two seconds to operate the switch and pre heat the fluid.. then unblock the whole.. the result will surprise u..

trog

 

[phylo]

not so quickly.. the seal is far better.. u cant draw much air thru from the battery.. u dont have to... the suck does the switch work.. its a pressure differential switch.. the passage of air is not needed to work the switch with the 901.. with the classic style it does two things.. it works the switch and feeds your mouth with vapour..

the 901 way is by far the best way.. a nice design change thats gone largely un-noticed ..

a neat trick with the 901 is block the hole.. gently suck for two seconds to operate the switch and pre heat the fluid.. then unblock the whole.. the result will surprise u..

trog

Thats a good point trog! I have an atomizer from a pen style that I drilled a hole in to see if I could improve the draw on it and it made it so that there was not enough of a vacuum to activate the battery.. I think I may try taping around the battery just to see if that will cause there to be enough of a vacuum created to activate the battery... I have also been thinking about converting a couple of my batteries to use a manual switch since I managed to mess up the automatic switch....

Damn Im hard on my stuff

Phil

 

[tribalmasters]

not so quickly.. the seal is far better.. u cant draw much air thru from the battery.. u dont have to... the suck does the switch work.. its a pressure differential switch.. the passage of air is not needed to work the switch with the 901.. with the classic style it does two things.. it works the switch and feeds your mouth with vapour..

the 901 way is by far the best way.. a nice design change thats gone largely un-noticed ..

a neat trick with the 901 is block the hole.. gently suck for two seconds to operate the switch and pre heat the fluid.. then unblock the whole.. the result will surprise u..

trog

That is an awesome tip! I just tried it and it works!!! Thanks trog

 

[phylo]

Its a good tip, but be careful doing it.. If you hold for to long it can shorten the life of the atomizer, the airflow through the atomizer and the evaporation of the liquid is what keeps the element from burning out..

Phil

 

[trog100]

Thats a good point trog! I have an atomizer from a pen style that I drilled a hole in to see if I could improve the draw on it and it made it so that there was not enough of a vacuum to activate the battery.. I think I may try taping around the battery just to see if that will cause there to be enough of a vacuum created to activate the battery... I have also been thinking about converting a couple of my batteries to use a manual switch since I managed to mess up the automatic switch....

Damn Im hard on my stuff

Phil

two things seem to effect the hard draw thing phil.. one is the air thru the old battery the other is air passing thru the atomzers itself..

the bottom line thow is the 901 is simply a better working device.. the pressure switch works.. it works with the lightest of sucks.. i have nver had one fail.. the old classic.. well it isnt in the same league.. the switches vary from one to the other.. liquid gets in the battery.. they leak fluid from the connection..

i would have gone for the classic because of its bigger battery and bigger carts.. but the 901 simply works better.. and more reliably.. so i tolerate its smaller battery and top up the carts.. i buy and syringe classic ones.. he he

trog

 

[tribalmasters]

My green LED 901 battery requires a little more suck to get going than my orange LED one but both are better than the penstyle for me

 

[trog100]

That is an awesome tip! I just tried it and it works!!! Thanks trog

two second is okay.. its not really needed but it can help a battery on its last legs and help an otherwise past its best wimpy device..

so u have a semi auto manual switch.. its beats the janty one.. he he

trog